The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts - Page 106

I’m rigged for Dolby/dts 7.1.
I’d rather Dolby invent some format codes like they do for Dolby cinema processors for 70mm and 35mm so that this, 7.1 can be used in several ways to present the original film back into the home as exhibited by the Dolby listeners for the past 40 years!

Why not encoded the rear back to be channelled to mono overhead and mono below surround as that is all there is at present? At least it would be discrete.

The decoder can then take the centre phantom from the side wall stereo surrounds and place at the back and it would still work out great. Then we can have true like overhead pans and below surrounds panning from underneath us and up along the sidewall if it was Ti-Fighter or X-Wing in Death Star dogfight before the image is on screen as that is what some scenes do only we hear it along the sidewalls, only.

The encoding called also put back 5 screen fronts of classic 70mm releases as I have only heard maybe a few 5 screen 70mm releases the rest being regular 70mm LCR mono/stereo surrounds. Never mind this wide width stuff Dolby and dts are trying to delude us with, their tricking us away from it.

Anyone of can put in matrix five-screen I’ve got the decoders for it all In need is two more of the same amps crossover and matching speakers for 5 matched fronts.

HEAT had and SDDS release but only in SDDS6 not SDDS8 and that would be cool, five screen front discrete.

Also Dolby 7.1 is the reverse of SDDS8 like its anything new? This Barco 11.1 well I'm not a Barco fan I'm a Dolby fan and I'm sure Dolby have something working around the table to compete with it. I'm still waiting for Dolby 16channels I'm only getting older, not younger.

Interesting, I remember the Heat shootout being incredibly dynamic on DVD but found the Bluray disappointing. My system usually does gun shots really well but the Heat BR soundtrack seems to have been neutered.

The volume is recorded really low. You got to give it some gas to get it going. T3 UK version is the same way. IMO the audio on the laserdisc is king!

I'm in HEAT shoot-out mood right now I'm, going to get the R1 and bluray and playing the shot-out pausing listening looking at what the SPL db shows and in room response on the RTA.

I don't think you'll be waiting much longer....


We did that with "Dolby Whole Sonic Overhead" (I mixed the one film released in the format.(and we actually did it by treating the LS/RS as an LCRS with LCR being LCR EX surrounds and the S being overhead)) However, there is limited space with the available real estate on film prints, and discrete wasn't/isn't an option.

With D-Cinema, things are changing.. as I said, be patient...

When Chris, Kilmer opens fire on DVD region 1 I have set the fader for an easy read 80dbc with tiny rise at 81dbc between chapter 32, 107min 33sec the level slowly starts to rise upwards 107m.37sec 81db

On the bluray after the first few seconds the auto machine gun fire rises a tiny faction 82dbc. 01h:47m:37s its up at 80dbc it appears to be a bit quicker 01h:47m:37 its up at 80dbc a lot faster now does this have something to do with the lossless as my SPL db is not lying. (correction I think its LOL the -1db less) I can see the slow rise between DVD and bluray. The higher gunfire is up at 82dbc start at 01h:47m:40s then cuts to the inside of the car where it reaches 82dbc 01h:47m:41s.

I don’t want to play the film at Dolby “7” today I had mild tinnitus last night since Earthquake in 1975, “5.5” on the fader seems good enough for middle to high range.

I don't have the time to switch over to the Sony and use its 6channel outputs and level match the +-1db difference.

I've got the bluray in the Phillips BDP7300 the DVD R1 in the Pioneer DV-515 both using optical outputs to the Yamaha RX-V650 then passing though the Dolby CP65.

The analogue on the Bluray is way, way below the DVD? Ether its the compression or possibly the level output not easy to put the bluray in the Pioneer same goes for the R1 DVD into the Phillips as the BDP-7300 is region2. I could compare the region 2 DVD in the Phillips against the region 1 DVD.

The Dolby digital is only about 1db might be more or less as the film moves on in some scenes.

Tested the R2 I think its some auto compression that is squishing down on the analogue on the Phillips. I can't be asked to look at the sound menu there's hardly much to switch ON or OFF on it.

I need to get secondary level controls on the Lt-Rt analogue outputs to match the analogue as close as possible to the digital. when switching from Format 10 6channel discrete to format 60 that is programmed for Dolby pro-logic.

I did level match last night with sine wave between format 10 and 60 its mix and compression that is lowering the sound, I have to keep manually adjusting, yet when playing mono film like Futureworld (1995) its up at +10db and sounds loud than HEAT!

Edit: Okay sorted the analogue to digital on HEAT with my trusty Harman Kardon AVP1a which serves as analogue server from the Yamaha to the CP65. I had to rise the levels by playing the same scene over and over and took the db up until within a hairline fraction db of the digital but I’d have to set it back down later on otherwise Futureworld will be in my face!

Anyone see War Horse in the theater? I think it is released on 4/3. It looks like it should have some LFE?

Hello there

I can hold my, horses and wait and in fact sleep a year and it will be here.

Yeah using the surround rear on encoding but I don't mind if it has crosstalk just as long as it works and pleases listening audiences.

I'd like to buy a SA10 plenty of them going around cheaply on eBay but the CP45 is umm, same processor only modified the rear back is totally different layout.

So is it down the S.M.P.T.E. what to do with Dolby 16channel? Its been a good few years now and we're only still at 8channels. But there are thousands of classic Dolby mixes out there and they should really remain intact preserved as I haven't heard them all, maybe a 1k but what about the rest!

I think its crazy when Dolby put consumer EX out its messing the extra channel! I was rigged with surround-EX in 1998 and didn't even know about Dolby-EX until 1999 and only spoke to Dolby New York for 15 to 20 mins on the phone from 9pm in 1998 about the idea of using a Dolby pro-logic decoder connected to the stereo surrounds with the Millennium dts 6.4.2 decoder with my Pioneer laserdisc player and using GoldenEye 1995 sounded WOW I was ducking for cover when the tank came rolling down road, and derbies crashing on the sidewalls and moving into the centre back.

It didn't think of using the extra channel or surround rear on the Yamaha DSR-70 at the time.

Well Dolby New York thought it was neat idea and was puzzled as to why I only wanted to use 5 speakers placed on the back wall and few on the sidewall. Well I had hole in the wall and I wanted an even match even thou it was common in some 70mm houses to see 6 surrounds on the back wall two halves evenly spaced and lots on the sidewalls.

It definitely has some lfe! The horses galloping and the artillery shells in particular.

Watched "Justice League Doom" animated movie tonight. Great movie and it had some awesome LFE moments!

The car and glass sound awesome in my HT. It is really loud and in your face. I love the way the scene is mixed (not just the bass). But that "horn" sound is not really that loud... but it has an unpleasant "buzz" to it.


If you are referring to the "splat" sound of a horn, what I am (apparently poorly) describing is nothing like that. This sounds like an overdriven microphone or a blown speaker. Way more "metallic" than a horn splat (which I like the sound of).

Okay, this is interesting... I was trying to find a clip on YouTube of that sound... and I found it... and the "fuzz" is not in this clip. So now I'm starting to think there is actually something wrong with the DTS-MA mix. I have noticed that fuzz on two different sets of speakers, so I know it's not ACTUALLY a blown speaker in my system. but the fact the 2-channel mix on YouTube doesn't seem to have the "issue" is interesting.

Here is the sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnUDQyOWbi8&t=12s


You are very close... "KYA" does in fact come from a Quake 2 / Quake 3 clan... but it was called "Kill Your Attitude". I wanted to register as just "Mega" but that was taken, so I added my quake tag, which now 10+ years later... seems pretty silly... oh well. If you click my name in the sig, it will take you to my profile on our old site... but we are (obviously) not active any more.

Immortals - Chapter 9 - Tsunami
(Waterfall from beginning of chapter....)

Yesterday i revisited Twister(the U.S bluray with dolby true hd).My ps3 decodes it and sends it to my yamaha 661 as multi pcm.During some scenes i switched to the dolby lossy 640kbps track,and the LFE was much better!Has anyone tried a comparison?

I didn't buy the UK bluray as its been converted to dtsHDMA not a real fan of dtsHDMA.

I still have the CAV THX Laserdisc region 2 DVD first edition and special edition Dolby with dts and not a great deal of difference same sounds placed in the same locations same tone. Unlike STAR TREK Generations on special edition DVD the stereo surrounds do sound tonally different between Dolby digital and dts. I had to switch the LCR to mute and pay attention only to the surrounds. I also still have the first edition STAR TREK Generations, and I sold the THX Laserdisc years before and wish I hadn't now.

Funny, I used to be in a little Q3 clan myself. I even still go back and play it every once in a great while.
My clan was the "Sailors" Clan. We were primarily an Instagib and trick jump clan but also dabbled in a few regular matches here and there. If you ever ran across us I was "Sailor Hunted"
We all used female skins to replicate Sailor Moon as a joke.

p.s. You missed your biennial update in 2011

Hi Reefdvr27, be watching this tonight and WOTW bluray .

How is it possible to watch Warhorse tonight when the release is on Tuesday? Perhaps you bought the UK version, eh?

Enjoy WOTW! I'll look forward to your take on the LFE. It's still the BEST of all the 5 Star titles I've seen.

Hi djoberg, not UK version ... normally I can get new Bluray movie two days before release .

I seen WOTW way back but with no sub . Recently got two Outlaw EX and wanted to see if subwoofer can hold up to the challenge .

LOL. Yeah... guess I haven't updated the site in a very long time.

I don't recall ever playing you or your clan, but it's very possible, we were on an InstaGib ladder for a while.

I also still occasionally play, but usually on QuakeLive (which is free):
http://www.quakelive.com/r/profile/summary/kyamega

Sorry everyone else for the off-topic tangent.

Hi Reefdvr27, I watched War Horse last night and it has some LFE moments (IMO not demo material) like exploding shells from the artillery fire (about 132.00 mark) and some of the charging horses scene. The movie was kind of long but I actually enjoy it.

Hi djoberg, this is one of the intense bass movies since getting the Outlaw EX's and certainly the biggest subwoofer workout movie I've seen to date on my system. It has so much hard hitting bass, one right after another it just rocks the house . My house may even sustained some structural damage .

I actually like quite a few better than WOTW for LFE overall in the 5 star list including TIH, Tron Legacy, Cloverfield, 9, Star Trek 2009, Battle LA and even the third Matrix film. Dont get me wrong as I love WOTW and it is clearly a 5 star, but it is not my absolute favorite LFE film overall at this point. I think the problem with WOTW for me is that the best LFE scene happens pretty early on with the pod emergence and while there are great scenes throughout, nothing ever matches this scene. I tend to be more impressed overall with LFE tracks that save the best for last which is largely dictated by the film content of course. Films like Battle LA, Tron Legacy and the others I mentioned (maybe not Star Trek, but that movie still ends VERY strong with LFE even if not quite the best in the film) all save their best LFE moments for last and really leave you with a lasting final impression. Just my opinion though as everyone is different.

Have you watched TIH djoberg? I should be able to finally watch Immortals this week since it comes out tom for Netflix and am looking forward to it!

I have NOT watched TIH yet, but I plan to. I have about half of the titles listed in the 5 Star tier, including TIH, 9, HTTYD, et al. The trouble is I watch a lot of other movies (so I can post reviews in the PQ Thread) and there is a WAF too when it comes to the loud, bass-heavy movies. I try to save them for when she's out of town.

I trust you'll be impressed with Immortals. I'm surprised no one is commenting on the bass involved whenever the magic bow fires an arrow. To me those are some of the best LFE moments, especially the scene where Mickey Rourke's character fires it into the castle. Let me know what you think about that scene (and others) after you view it.

I understand that. I save the big sound movies for when I am alone.

I will report back on Immortals.

"...the legendary Epirus Bow, a weapon of unimaginable power forged in the heavens by Ares."

Here is the waterfall from all of the 3 magic LFE moments with the Epirus Bow...

Thanks Flageborg!

As a newbie to reading these graphs, could you give me your interpretation of those three?

I have a medium sized room that is open to the kitchen. 12" HSU VTF2.3 and I gotta say that I was impressed with the bass in Immortals. Best I've heard since Tron Legacy. Easily a 4.5. Had my room shaking in many scenes.

So, Mission implossible 5..
Anyone had a chance to listen?

Its MI4 actually..watched it yesterday in dolby 5.1 640kbps,and the overall sound design is excellent.The LFE hits hard when it is supposed to,especially during the sandstorm scene in dubai..

Watched Immortals yesterday and GREAT LFE flick! Lots of fun and great moments throughout. Those bow scenes like djoberg mentioned were all awesome, especially the one where it blew a hole in the fortress gate........the wave of LFE after the arrow hit the gate was fantastic! Easy 4.5, maybe 5 in my book.

Watched 3 Musketeers as well which had surprisingly good LFE. Not quite up to Immortals level, but still VERY good.