The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts - Page 12

Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf

Rented the Battle:LA DVD at last today. Yep, it's a five star. Nope, I won't be buying a copy anytime soon. Maybe when they hit the $5 bin. The camera work annoyed me to the point I almost shut it off several times. I could not wait for it to be over. Someone needs to take away the cameraman's coffee.

Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf

Rented the Battle:LA DVD at last today. Yep, it's a five star. Nope, I won't be buying a copy anytime soon. Maybe when they hit the $5 bin. The camera work annoyed me to the point I almost shut it off several times. I could not wait for it to be over. Someone needs to take away the cameraman's coffee.

In addition to that, something about the audio on the DVD made it unusually quiet... I had to run it 10dB hotter than normal to make up for it. And even then, I barely got reference levels out of the LFE, which was set well above reference by that point. The two tapped horns yawned their way through this one as a result.

Next five star movie, please.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Definitely should be a difference. In some rare cases the DVD version has better LFE, for example Master & Commander, but most of the time the blu-ray version should have the superior LFE because with the lossless codecs possible with blu-ray you could fit in so much more LFE data.

Here's an example from War of The Worlds. Here's the tripod zapping scene that starts at almost 26 minutes into the movie, first the DVD version:



And now the blu-ray version:


With my color scale the colors you really want to be seeing are whites and purples, the whites go from -18db to -14db and the purples go from -14db to 0. These are the standout notes, these will make you jump out of your seat.

Notice how both versions hit -12db at 27hz. That's nice and all but notice how many more whites and purples are in the blu-ray version. Also a lot of the reds (-48db to -42db) and yellows (-42db to -38db) in the dvd version are replaced by superior greens (-38db to -28db) and blues (-28db to -18db) in the blu-ray version. Also notice how the blu-ray version has more infrasonics (frequencies under 20hz).

Originally Posted by Gary J

A shaking camera is on purpose and meant to convey chaos.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Probably the dvd version's audio was encoded badly?

Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf

I know. It created much chaos in my ability to follow the action. I don't mind a little bit of shaky cam, but when I start having to look away every other minute because it's moving around so much, it's too much for me. I don't own any of the Bourne movies for that reason.

Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

Your charts clearly show that the Bluray version is being played back at a louder SPL level than the DVD.

Originally Posted by Gary J

You must absolutely hate Hurt Locker.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Are you sure about that? I have both at the same volume level, and when I raise the volume level by 1 clipping happens.

Here is the dvd version at 1 volume level higher with clipping happening:

Notice that it now hits -11db at 27hz, and even so the blu-ray version without clipping has the louder overall lfe.

Here is the dvd version at 8 volume level higher than the blu-ray version:

Notice that it now hits -10db at 27hz, but the blu-ray version without clipping still has the louder overall lfe.

Here is the dvd version at 18 volume level higher than the blu-ray version:

8.5db at 27hz, and still the blu-ray version has the louder overall LFE.

Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

I can increase and decrease levels by 20 bB, and as one would expect my charts shift up and down in level by 20 dB.

You need to readjust the levels in your signal chain.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82


Definitely should be a difference. In some rare cases the DVD version has better LFE, for example Master & Commander, but most of the time the blu-ray version should have the superior LFE because with the lossless codecs possible with blu-ray you could fit in so much more LFE data.

Here's an example from War of The Worlds. Here's the tripod zapping scene that starts at almost 26 minutes into the movie, first the DVD version:

And now the blu-ray version:

With my color scale the colors you really want to be seeing are whites and purples, the whites go from -18db to -14db and the purples go from -14db to 0. These are the standout notes, these will make you jump out of your seat.

Notice how both versions hit -12db at 27hz. That's nice and all but notice how many more whites and purples are in the blu-ray version. Also a lot of the reds (-48db to -42db) and yellows (-42db to -38db) in the dvd version are replaced by superior greens (-38db to -28db) and blues (-28db to -18db) in the blu-ray version. Also notice how the blu-ray version has more infrasonics (frequencies under 20hz).

Originally Posted by upstate-avfan-da

Thanks! Figured there should be something we get for buying all the stuff needed to play lossless haha. Maybe I should look into getting some of my fav dvd on blu ray tho. Guess it might just affect newer flicks?

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

How do I do that?

Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

What is your signal chain?

One signal chain that I can use is the disc from Bluray player to receiver to subwoofer output jack to PC analog audio input jack.

A second signal chain that I tend to use is the internal DVD player in my PC direct to soundcard.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

For the charts I use an internal blu-ray drive, connects directly to my soundcard. What do I do to readjust that signal chain?

Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

Turn down the soundcard record volume! What audio track did you use for the WOTW DVD chart?

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Thanks, I'll give that a try and if there's a change in the waterfalls i'll post the new screenshot. I used the main audio track from the widescreen edition which I bought here:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Worlds-Wid...9044569&sr=8-1

Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

Dolby Digital or DTS? That disk has both!

Also, I playback with Windows Media Player. If you move the volume control in WMP down from 100%, the volume going to SL will also go down. I leave the WMP volume at 100% so I have one less thing to mess me up.

Originally Posted by bossobass

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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

Turn down the soundcard record volume!

What audio track did you use for the WOTW DVD chart?

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

With pride I present Battle: Los Angeles (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :
I actually had to lower the volume on this one because it was clipping at the volume level I was able to use for WotW and Cloverfield.

Originally Posted by onesquin

Does anybody have feedback on The Adjustment Bureau? Was thinking about picking it up for movie night tonight.

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

Okay lowered it to 75%, this allowed me to up the main volume a bit. However the waterfall for the Dolby Digital 5.1 track remained identical. For reference here's the Dolby Digital 5.1 waterfall:

But when I tried the DTS 5.1 track, this is what I got:


So the Dolby Digital 5.1 track on this disk is garbage, the DTS 5.1 track is good. It actually looks identical to my waterfall from the DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1 track on the blu-ray:

Originally Posted by FOH

First, The Adjustment Bureau was a very enjoyable film.

But The Adjustment Bureau has so little LF, for so long at the beginning that I questioned my set-up to the point of stopping the movie, and checking everything. Now there are some scenes with some LF, however very few and very little. This didn't diminish the enjoyment however.


Thanks

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

With pride I present Battle: Los Angeles (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :


I actually had to lower the volume on this one because it was clipping at the volume level I was able to use for WotW and Cloverfield.

Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass

The WOTW DVD DD track uses a DD Dialnorm value of -23, so it will playback at 8 dB lower in level than the DTS track. That does not mean the track is garbage. It simply means the difference in volume levels must be compensated for in SpectrumLab.

Your input levels are still too high (about 10 dB perhaps). If your levels are right, you will never clip no matter what the DVD or Bluray.

What is your beginning and ending time on WOTW. I will do a chart of the same time period and show you what my chart settings looks like.

Originally Posted by FOH

First, The Adjustment Bureau was a very enjoyable film.

But The Adjustment Bureau has so little LF, for so long at the beginning that I questioned my set-up to the point of stopping the movie, and checking everything. Now there are some scenes with some LF, however very few and very little. This didn't diminish the enjoyment however.

Originally Posted by the_abbot

I finally watched 'Insidious' last night. WOW..... there were several scenes of deep powerful bass. I was pretty stoned when I watched it though, so maybe I need a second sober viewing to confirm. ;-)