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post #331 of 16099
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Rented the Battle:LA DVD at last today. Yep, it's a five star. Nope, I won't be buying a copy anytime soon. Maybe when they hit the $5 bin. The camera work annoyed me to the point I almost shut it off several times. I could not wait for it to be over. Someone needs to take away the cameraman's coffee.

A shaking camera is on purpose and meant to convey chaos.
post #332 of 16099
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Rented the Battle:LA DVD at last today. Yep, it's a five star. Nope, I won't be buying a copy anytime soon. Maybe when they hit the $5 bin. The camera work annoyed me to the point I almost shut it off several times. I could not wait for it to be over. Someone needs to take away the cameraman's coffee.

In addition to that, something about the audio on the DVD made it unusually quiet... I had to run it 10dB hotter than normal to make up for it. And even then, I barely got reference levels out of the LFE, which was set well above reference by that point. The two tapped horns yawned their way through this one as a result.

Next five star movie, please.

Probably the dvd version's audio was encoded badly? I was only able to watch the first 30 minutes of the blu-ray version yesterday and the levels sounded real good to me. When they were flying in the helicopters there were booms outside and it felt so good and sounded so good I almost cried. Hoping to see the whole movie today.
post #333 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

Definitely should be a difference. In some rare cases the DVD version has better LFE, for example Master & Commander, but most of the time the blu-ray version should have the superior LFE because with the lossless codecs possible with blu-ray you could fit in so much more LFE data.

Here's an example from War of The Worlds. Here's the tripod zapping scene that starts at almost 26 minutes into the movie, first the DVD version:



And now the blu-ray version:


With my color scale the colors you really want to be seeing are whites and purples, the whites go from -18db to -14db and the purples go from -14db to 0. These are the standout notes, these will make you jump out of your seat.

Notice how both versions hit -12db at 27hz. That's nice and all but notice how many more whites and purples are in the blu-ray version. Also a lot of the reds (-48db to -42db) and yellows (-42db to -38db) in the dvd version are replaced by superior greens (-38db to -28db) and blues (-28db to -18db) in the blu-ray version. Also notice how the blu-ray version has more infrasonics (frequencies under 20hz).




Your charts clearly show that the Bluray version is being played back at a louder SPL level than the DVD.
post #334 of 16099
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

A shaking camera is on purpose and meant to convey chaos.

I know. It created much chaos in my ability to follow the action. I don't mind a little bit of shaky cam, but when I start having to look away every other minute because it's moving around so much, it's too much for me. I don't own any of the Bourne movies for that reason.

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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

Probably the dvd version's audio was encoded badly?

The sound quality was fine, it's just the levels were lower than I'm used to.

At any rate, I just didn't enjoy the movie enough to want to blow $25 on the Blu-Ray.
post #335 of 16099
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

I know. It created much chaos in my ability to follow the action. I don't mind a little bit of shaky cam, but when I start having to look away every other minute because it's moving around so much, it's too much for me. I don't own any of the Bourne movies for that reason.

You must absolutely hate Hurt Locker.
post #336 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Your charts clearly show that the Bluray version is being played back at a louder SPL level than the DVD.

Are you sure about that? I have both at the same volume level, and when I raise the volume level by 1 clipping happens.

Here is the dvd version at 1 volume level higher with clipping happening:


Notice that it now hits -11db at 27hz, and even so the blu-ray version without clipping has the louder overall lfe.

Here is the dvd version at 8 volume level higher than the blu-ray version:


Notice that it now hits -10db at 27hz, but the blu-ray version without clipping still has the louder overall lfe.

Here is the dvd version at 18 volume level higher than the blu-ray version:


8.5db at 27hz, and still the blu-ray version has the louder overall LFE.
post #337 of 16099
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

You must absolutely hate Hurt Locker.

Been quite a while since I saw that one. I seem to recall less of it in that movie for some reason.
post #338 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

Are you sure about that? I have both at the same volume level, and when I raise the volume level by 1 clipping happens.

Here is the dvd version at 1 volume level higher with clipping happening:

Notice that it now hits -11db at 27hz, and even so the blu-ray version without clipping has the louder overall lfe.

Here is the dvd version at 8 volume level higher than the blu-ray version:

Notice that it now hits -10db at 27hz, but the blu-ray version without clipping still has the louder overall lfe.

Here is the dvd version at 18 volume level higher than the blu-ray version:

8.5db at 27hz, and still the blu-ray version has the louder overall LFE.


I can increase and decrease levels by 20 bB, and as one would expect my charts shift up and down in level by 20 dB.

You need to readjust the levels in your signal chain.
post #339 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

I can increase and decrease levels by 20 bB, and as one would expect my charts shift up and down in level by 20 dB.

You need to readjust the levels in your signal chain.

How do I do that?
post #340 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post


Definitely should be a difference. In some rare cases the DVD version has better LFE, for example Master & Commander, but most of the time the blu-ray version should have the superior LFE because with the lossless codecs possible with blu-ray you could fit in so much more LFE data.

Here's an example from War of The Worlds. Here's the tripod zapping scene that starts at almost 26 minutes into the movie, first the DVD version:

And now the blu-ray version:

With my color scale the colors you really want to be seeing are whites and purples, the whites go from -18db to -14db and the purples go from -14db to 0. These are the standout notes, these will make you jump out of your seat.

Notice how both versions hit -12db at 27hz. That's nice and all but notice how many more whites and purples are in the blu-ray version. Also a lot of the reds (-48db to -42db) and yellows (-42db to -38db) in the dvd version are replaced by superior greens (-38db to -28db) and blues (-28db to -18db) in the blu-ray version. Also notice how the blu-ray version has more infrasonics (frequencies under 20hz).

Thanks! Figured there should be something we get for buying all the stuff needed to play lossless haha. Maybe I should look into getting some of my fav dvd on blu ray tho. Guess it might just affect newer flicks?
post #341 of 16099
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Originally Posted by upstate-avfan-da View Post

Thanks! Figured there should be something we get for buying all the stuff needed to play lossless haha. Maybe I should look into getting some of my fav dvd on blu ray tho. Guess it might just affect newer flicks?

Some old flicks won't sound as good as the newer stuff because studios don't have enough incentive to do a good remaster on the audio.

Take for example the Dr. No blu-ray, it was remastered with DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1, but the original 1962 audio is so poor that they really can't make it sound as good as today's stuff. I checked the blu-ray version's levels and it rolloffs at 42hz.

Star Wars on the other hand is a huge moneymaker so the studio has tons of incentives on making the blu-ray versions sound pretty damn good. I personally can't wait to get my hands of them.
post #342 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

How do I do that?


What is your signal chain?

One signal chain that I can use is the disc from Bluray player to receiver to subwoofer output jack to PC analog audio input jack.

A second signal chain that I tend to use is the internal DVD player in my PC direct to soundcard.
post #343 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

What is your signal chain?

One signal chain that I can use is the disc from Bluray player to receiver to subwoofer output jack to PC analog audio input jack.

A second signal chain that I tend to use is the internal DVD player in my PC direct to soundcard.

For the charts I use an internal blu-ray drive, connects directly to my soundcard. What do I do to readjust that signal chain?
post #344 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

For the charts I use an internal blu-ray drive, connects directly to my soundcard. What do I do to readjust that signal chain?


Turn down the soundcard record volume!

What audio track did you use for the WOTW DVD chart?
post #345 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Turn down the soundcard record volume! What audio track did you use for the WOTW DVD chart?

Thanks, I'll give that a try and if there's a change in the waterfalls i'll post the new screenshot. I used the main audio track from the widescreen edition which I bought here:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Worlds-Wid...9044569&sr=8-1

Right now i'm doing Battle: Los Angeles, loved the movie and the LFE was insane, definitely deserves its 5 stars.
post #346 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

Thanks, I'll give that a try and if there's a change in the waterfalls i'll post the new screenshot. I used the main audio track from the widescreen edition which I bought here:
http://www.amazon.com/War-Worlds-Wid...9044569&sr=8-1



Dolby Digital or DTS? That disk has both!

Also, I playback with Windows Media Player. If you move the volume control in WMP down from 100%, the volume going to SL will also go down. I leave the WMP volume at 100% so I have one less thing to mess me up.
post #347 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Dolby Digital or DTS? That disk has both!

Also, I playback with Windows Media Player. If you move the volume control in WMP down from 100%, the volume going to SL will also go down. I leave the WMP volume at 100% so I have one less thing to mess me up.

Dolby Digital 5.1. The DTS 5.1 track is the second one.
post #348 of 16099
For those who still have doubts about my Titan A.E. waterfalls, I decided to do a comparison. I ripped the Dolby Digital audio off the BLA DVD I rented last night, transcoded it with Hypercube as I do my DTS waterfalls, and ran the resulting LFE wav file through the Behringer UCA222 to compare against Bosso's results. Decided on the 1:43 shot to compare against.

This is what I got. First, Bosso's measurements:

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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

1:43

And now the Behringer:



Looks mostly in order to me... I'm relieved to find I don't have to do the Titan A.E. shots over

I might start using this method all the time now. Methinks the Behringer is far more precise below 10Hz than the DD decoder in my old standalone DVD player.
post #349 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Turn down the soundcard record volume!

What audio track did you use for the WOTW DVD chart?

Okay lowered it to 75%, this allowed me to up the main volume a bit. However the waterfall for the Dolby Digital 5.1 track remained identical. For reference here's the Dolby Digital 5.1 waterfall:



But when I tried the DTS 5.1 track, this is what I got:



So the Dolby Digital 5.1 track on this disk is garbage, the DTS 5.1 track is good. It actually looks identical to my waterfall from the DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1 track on the blu-ray:

post #350 of 16099
With pride I present Battle: Los Angeles (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :
post #351 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

With pride I present Battle: Los Angeles (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :
I actually had to lower the volume on this one because it was clipping at the volume level I was able to use for WotW and Cloverfield.

I watched this yesterday and this movie has some really low lows. Did I say really low lows.
I think this has been one of the best DTS tracks in terms of the LFE/Lows.
Certainly gave my VTF-3.3 sub a good work out.

The movie over all was just OK but the sound track is amazing !
post #352 of 16099
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Originally Posted by onesquin View Post

Does anybody have feedback on The Adjustment Bureau? Was thinking about picking it up for movie night tonight.

First, The Adjustment Bureau was a very enjoyable film.

But The Adjustment Bureau has so little LF, for so long at the beginning that I questioned my set-up to the point of stopping the movie, and checking everything. Now there are some scenes with some LF, however very few and very little. This didn't diminish the enjoyment however.


Thanks
post #353 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

Okay lowered it to 75%, this allowed me to up the main volume a bit. However the waterfall for the Dolby Digital 5.1 track remained identical. For reference here's the Dolby Digital 5.1 waterfall:

But when I tried the DTS 5.1 track, this is what I got:


So the Dolby Digital 5.1 track on this disk is garbage, the DTS 5.1 track is good. It actually looks identical to my waterfall from the DTS HD-Master Audio 5.1 track on the blu-ray:




The WOTW DVD DD track uses a DD Dialnorm value of -23, so it will playback at 8 dB lower in level than the DTS track. That does not mean the track is garbage. It simply means the difference in volume levels must be compensated for in SpectrumLab.

Your input levels are still too high (about 10 dB perhaps). If your levels are right, you will never clip no matter what the DVD or Bluray.

What is your beginning and ending time on WOTW. I will do a chart of the same time period and show you what my chart settings looks like.
post #354 of 16099
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

First, The Adjustment Bureau was a very enjoyable film.

But The Adjustment Bureau has so little LF, for so long at the beginning that I questioned my set-up to the point of stopping the movie, and checking everything. Now there are some scenes with some LF, however very few and very little. This didn't diminish the enjoyment however.


Thanks


Most of the DVD's that I own do not have any LFE track. Lower bass on the main channels is also lacking by present day action movie standards, but at least the movies are good.

I checked out the second Transformers movie (ROTF), and for the most part infra does not exist in that movie.
post #355 of 16099
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Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82 View Post

With pride I present Battle: Los Angeles (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :


I actually had to lower the volume on this one because it was clipping at the volume level I was able to use for WotW and Cloverfield.

VERY Impressive!! Reminds me of TIH....

JSS
post #356 of 16099
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

The WOTW DVD DD track uses a DD Dialnorm value of -23, so it will playback at 8 dB lower in level than the DTS track. That does not mean the track is garbage. It simply means the difference in volume levels must be compensated for in SpectrumLab.

Your input levels are still too high (about 10 dB perhaps). If your levels are right, you will never clip no matter what the DVD or Bluray.

What is your beginning and ending time on WOTW. I will do a chart of the same time period and show you what my chart settings looks like.

It's the start of the tripod zapping scene, I used 0:25:55 to about 0:26:45, with a waterfall scroll interval of 60ms.
post #357 of 16099
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Originally Posted by FOH View Post

First, The Adjustment Bureau was a very enjoyable film.

But The Adjustment Bureau has so little LF, for so long at the beginning that I questioned my set-up to the point of stopping the movie, and checking everything. Now there are some scenes with some LF, however very few and very little. This didn't diminish the enjoyment however.

I agree with you that The Adjustment Bureau, while being a very good film, has a soundtrack that is nothing extra. It's video isn't great, either. It is noticeably murky and some have said they noticed crushed black levels. None of that bothered me much, though, because the movie was consistently entertaining, Matt Damon and Emily Blunt were both excellent.
post #358 of 16099
I finally watched 'Insidious' last night. WOW..... there were several scenes of deep powerful bass. I was pretty stoned when I watched it though, so maybe I need a second sober viewing to confirm. ;-)
post #359 of 16099
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Originally Posted by the_abbot View Post

I finally watched 'Insidious' last night. WOW..... there were several scenes of deep powerful bass. I was pretty stoned when I watched it though, so maybe I need a second sober viewing to confirm. ;-)

Haha wait till you see Sucker Punch might be time for a re-lite!
post #360 of 16099
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Titan A.E. - DVD, DTS

First movie to be waterfalled by yours truly using the output of my new Behringer UCA222. Note the lack of 60Hz hum

These charts are done with the DTS audio ripped off the DVD and split into WAV files - LFE only.

Guys... before you watch this movie, for the love of all that's holy, turn on your subsonic filters. I got three scenes for you. First, Earth blowing up. Second, navigating the ice field. Third, destroying the Drej and creating New Earth. I won't post them all in image form, just the juicier ones. Not that they aren't all juicy... I didn't do 15 of these on this title because of a lack of overwhelming LFE

If this ain't a five star, I don't know what is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lls/titan1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lls/titan2.jpg







http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lls/titan6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lls/titan7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lls/titan8.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ls/titan10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ls/titan11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ls/titan12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ls/titan13.jpg




I still believe that you'r titan a.e charts are clipping in computer end, wolf. Here are mine, dts lfe track only in low level(didn't want to blow my center and surrounds.)
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