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post #3331 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post


I'm running a pair of capable subs and that scene was just average for me. Every room will have different frequencies where it performs best. But I have noticed a phenomenon when visiting friends with HTIB subs or even the few hundred dollar variety. I hear their sub alot more than I do my own. Every little thing gets their sub rumbling. Mine is mostly subtle and integrated, but then can rip your head off with a 5 star bass scene. You might be led to think that the lesser sub is outperforming.

Someone of better knowlege chime in, but I think what might be happening is that the smaller subs have less dynamic range and thus owners run them hot to compensate. Therefore, even a closing car door goes "boom", but there isn't much more "boom" available when the big moments hit. So it's always booming and seems more active, but overall fairly "flat". Compression I suppose is what it is. An overall compressed performance.

I suppose another reason could be that your sub may not dig as deep as others, so you never hear the lower scenes that get higher ratings?

Subs can be loud but not good. Just because someone else's rumbles more isn't indicative of quality.
post #3332 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

I just finished MI4 a second time. Definitely cream of the crop as an overall track!

I agree, watched it last night and loved the A&V quality. MI is a really good action movie franchise.
post #3333 of 16121
Wing nut, I hope I was clear, but I'm agreeing with your comment.

James, I don't even get as technical as measuring SPL. I determine by how big my smile is! For the 5star list, it's a pretty big grin! But that's within the realm of an LFE discussion. In that discussion (which this is), mi4 doesn't get higher than a 4 for me. However, as an audio experience, I give it a 5 and would take several of the usual suspects for LFE and drop them on the rankings. IOW, shaking the walls is not the only ingredient. I know, heresy on this thread.
post #3334 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Wing nut, I hope I was clear, but I'm agreeing with your comment.

James, I don't even get as technical as measuring SPL. I determine by how big my smile is! For the 5star list, it's a pretty big grin! But that's within the realm of an LFE discussion. In that discussion (which this is), mi4 doesn't get higher than a 4 for me. However, as an audio experience, I give it a 5 and would take several of the usual suspects for LFE and drop them on the rankings. IOW, shaking the walls is not the only ingredient. I know, heresy on this thread.

Yes. I was agreeing with yours.
post #3335 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Wing nut, I hope I was clear, but I'm agreeing with your comment.

James, I don't even get as technical as measuring SPL. I determine by how big my smile is! For the 5star list, it's a pretty big grin! But that's within the realm of an LFE discussion. In that discussion (which this is), mi4 doesn't get higher than a 4 for me. However, as an audio experience, I give it a 5 and would take several of the usual suspects for LFE and drop them on the rankings. IOW, shaking the walls is not the only ingredient. I know, heresy on this thread.

I agree, the dynamics and clarity at reference makes this a very well recorded movie. If the bass was recorded louder it would have been a 5 star overall movie soundtrack for sure and mu go to disc! That one scene I will use to scare people! It was just incredible!
post #3336 of 16121
I know that I am behind the curve a bit here but I just watched Immortals and while there was some good bass and a few cool action scenes I just couldn't get over the terrible plot arc, huge holes in the script and the mix. I seriously could not quit noticing the obviously cheap pleather "armor" that is supposed to be metal but moves like paper and the "gods" just looked like a they were wearing overdone Halloween costumes. I remember 2 points where the soundtrack was clearly clipping and distorted. I read this being mentioned before but I didn't expect it to be that obvious. One was during the giant wave and the other I believe was involving the bow breking through the gate. Both just sounded terrible. I don't know how that got through production. There may have been more scenes but those 2 were glaringly obvious. Meh...I liked 300 a lot too.
post #3337 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post


Someone of better knowlege chime in, but I think what might be happening is that the smaller subs have less dynamic range and thus owners run them hot to compensate.

I suppose another reason could be that your sub may not dig as deep as others, so you never hear the lower scenes that get higher ratings?

First of all, my subwoofers are not set to run "hot."
My Yamaha RX-V667 YPAO speaker calibration program set my subwoofers level at -10db.

Five star rated movies for bass, that I have in my blu-ray collection, are Battle: Los Angeles, Live Free or Die Hard
and War of the Worlds.
All of those flicks rock my HT even more so than Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol.

My cheap F12's put out plenty of clean, tight, deep bass without a trace of "boominess."
The volume on my AVR is set at -35db, because I'am an apartment building dweller.
Any louder and I'am sure that there will be an eviction notice on my door, when I get home from the office.
post #3338 of 16121
I should have been more descriptive. I wasn't directing those comments directly at you. It was more a comment regarding friends of mine and my experiences in there rooms. And sort of fishing for discussion on the topic.
post #3339 of 16121
Just finished MI4 and the LFE was very nicely done the floor collapsing scene shook my fillings loose.I rate it a solid 4.
post #3340 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Tooley View Post

Just finished MI4 and the LFE was very nicely done the floor collapsing scene shook my fillings loose.I rate it a solid 4.

It's my new favorite "demo" scene I use to show off my HT.
I love the way the bass energy slowly builds to a powerful climax.
post #3341 of 16121
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

It's my new favorite "demo" scene I use to show off my HT.
I love the way the bass energy slowly builds to a powerful climax.


Are you sure it was just the bass energy? I thought it was Paula Patton!






Ian
post #3342 of 16121
I don't really like to be knocked around with strong bass during the entire movie. I don't think WOTW had incredible bass for the full stretch of the film but when it was required, as in the pod emergence scene it was an unforgettable experience. I feel the same way about Titan A.E. The opening scene when the earth is destroyed is my go to test when I do some adjustments to my subs. Cloverfield has plenty of bass during most of the movie but it was not the distracting type of bass that irritates me.
post #3343 of 16121
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Are you sure it was just the bass energy? I thought it was Paula Patton!



Loved her cat fight scene!
post #3344 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

However, as an audio experience, I give it a 5 and would take several of the usual suspects for LFE and drop them on the rankings.

Agreed - I was impressed with the way the surrounds were used. Added to an already enjoyable movie.

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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

I know that I am behind the curve a bit here but I just watched Immortals and while there was some good bass and a few cool action scenes I just couldn't get over the terrible plot arc, huge holes in the script and the mix.

Yeah, Immortals is just not a good movie. I saw it twice, and that was enough. Way too many plot holes. Second time was on a pro sub that could only reach to 40Hz, which made it even less fun. Glad I only rented it.

I think I'm ready to drop my vote on it to four and a half. The clipping does get to be a little distracting at times.
post #3345 of 16121
See what you guys did??? I saw the movie in IMAX and it was awesome. But now that I finally received my ML EM-FX2 surround speakers and all this talk of MI:4 - GP, on this thread I went to Best Buy and bought it

Granted I have MI-1, & 2 (not 3 as it was a crappy movie and WAY too loud even in a theater), I liked MI-4 and look forward to testing out my Outlaw LFM-1 EX sub
post #3346 of 16121
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Similar to what you propose, I've started comparing new movies to the best of the best on the 5 star list. As such, I think of it in terms of a ratio,

bass quantity and quality in new movie
vs.
bass quantity and quality in the best 5 star movies.

Since I'm missing about an octave's worth of bandwidth, roughly (3-14hz), by having a Captivator in 15hz tune, I figure that my margin of comparison error is at least 7% - about 20% for the missing octave, but considering what low portion of content digs that deep, dropping it by about two thirds to 7%. (Caveat - That's all terribly arbitrary and not scientific at all, not to mention audio memory, etc.) I plan to rectify this missing bandwidth over the summer.

Anyway, the point:

MI4 and War Horse definitely do NOT have 80% (4/5 stars) of the bass quantity or quality in WOTW or Cloverfield. They have somewhere between 60-70%, though, or 3-3.5/5 stars. On the other hand, Underworld Awakening has 100% of that contained in the best 5 star titles, within the bandwidth my system can reproduce.

Hi nube, 3Hz - 14Hz is actually slightly more than two octaves. Each octave is a doubling/halving of frequency, so two octaves above 3Hz is 3Hz*2*2 = 12Hz.

That being said, I like your method, and getting to 3Hz like bosso's system does is inspirational. I "only" run a pair of Paradigm Sub 15's myself, and my in-room response rolls off before yours does (although not so steeply since I'm sealed), so I am missing the first ~2.5 octaves myself.
post #3347 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Agreed - I was impressed with the way the surrounds were used. Added to an already enjoyable movie.



Still running 5.1, Wolf? The added surrounds were very well used in this one. These movie mixers have been getting much better at using all four surrounds. Each new 7.1 mix I bring home is better and better. Well, worth the upgrade, imho even for small rooms like ours.
post #3348 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Still running 5.1, Wolf? The added surrounds were very well used in this one. These movie mixers have been getting much better at using all four surrounds. Each new 7.1 mix I bring home is better and better. Well, worth the upgrade, imho even for small rooms like ours.

7.1, but the DVD I rented was only 5.1. My Pioneer 919 did a pretty good job interpreting what to play on which surround speaker though. Had me looking behind a few times.

Only have two 7.1 movies in the collection - Tintin and the Next Three Days. Both are mixed really well.
post #3349 of 16121
Could MI4 been better in terms of deeper bass if the Blue Ray was done with a DTS track ? I thought the over all Dolby track was done very nice. But I seem to favor the DTS tracks over Dolby. Don't know if I could tell the difference in blind test though.
post #3350 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post


Still running 5.1, Wolf? The added surrounds were very well used in this one. These movie mixers have been getting much better at using all four surrounds. Each new 7.1 mix I bring home is better and better. Well, worth the upgrade, imho even for small rooms like ours.

I am, I have found that 5 identical powerful speakers sound better overall than 4 small surrounds. I would need small surrounds to fit 7.1. My surrounds were quite powerful though compared to most. I am going to go with 5 DR-200's or 3 DR-280's with 2 DR-200's for surrounds. It really depends on the room. My side channels were too close to the front seats and dominated the surround field which annoyed me!
post #3351 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Ray77085 View Post

Could MI4 been better in terms of deeper bass if the Blue Ray was done with a DTS track ? I thought the over all Dolby track was done very nice. But I seem to favor the DTS tracks over Dolby. Don't know if I could tell the difference in blind test though.

Nope. I believe back the dvd days dts was preferred since it was mixed louder
post #3352 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

I know that I am behind the curve a bit here but I just watched Immortals and while there was some good bass and a few cool action scenes I just couldn't get over the terrible plot arc, huge holes in the script and the mix. I seriously could not quit noticing the obviously cheap pleather "armor" that is supposed to be metal but moves like paper and the "gods" just looked like a they were wearing overdone Halloween costumes. I remember 2 points where the soundtrack was clearly clipping and distorted. I read this being mentioned before but I didn't expect it to be that obvious. One was during the giant wave and the other I believe was involving the bow breking through the gate. Both just sounded terrible. I don't know how that got through production. There may have been more scenes but those 2 were glaringly obvious. Meh...I liked 300 a lot too.

The clipping did suck. Only film I had to turn off DynEQ to 'enjoy', due to the problems in the track. I liked the visuals for the Gods v whatever scenes, and the idea of an Epirus Bow, but other than that, not a good film. Hopefully Wrath of the Titans will be better.

JSS
post #3353 of 16121
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post


The clipping did suck. Only film I had to turn off DynEQ to 'enjoy', due to the problems in the track. I liked the visuals for the Gods v whatever scenes, and the idea of an Epirus Bow, but other than that, not a good film. Hopefully Wrath of the Titans will be better.

JSS

Don't count on it. Wrath was a pile of,you know what. The bass was decent but the sound is not great, at least in theater and the movie was far worse.

Best description is boring.
post #3354 of 16121
I love Greek mythology movies and Wrath sucked! I will rent it hoping there is bass but damn, it was bad. If someone gets it first and says it is 4 stars or below I will pass.

Just watched Priest, did you guys ever waterfall this movie? It seems it had some great LFE moments and the soundtrack was very dynamic.
post #3355 of 16121
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Nope. I believe back the dvd days dts was preferred since it was mixed louder

This was even more prevalent in the laserdisc days. LFE and surrounds were mixed louder frequently.
post #3356 of 16121
Is there a list of top bass movies that produce better bass below 20 hz on DVD? I know that Master and Commander is one of them. Which others? I am buying bass movies and don't want to pick up the more expensive bluray version if I am better served with the DVD version.
post #3357 of 16121
I definitely agree with making your own ratings. Just watched U571 followed by Underworld Awakening. U571 is a very solid lfe movie. Good lfe for probably 30-40% of the movie.

The hype is true with Underworld Awakening, definite audio system reference movie, easy 5 star. Underworld Awakening and Cloverfield are my two favorite lfe movies since your sub is working hard during 80% of the movie.
post #3358 of 16121
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Wing nut, I hope I was clear, but I'm agreeing with your comment.

James, I don't even get as technical as measuring SPL. I determine by how big my smile is! For the 5star list, it's a pretty big grin! But that's within the realm of an LFE discussion. In that discussion (which this is), mi4 doesn't get higher than a 4 for me. However, as an audio experience, I give it a 5 and would take several of the usual suspects for LFE and drop them on the rankings. IOW, shaking the walls is not the only ingredient. I know, heresy on this thread.

No SPL-meter for me either.
I rate according to this very unscientific method:

3 - nice bass that doesnt really get noticed.
Most movies are around a 3.

4 - some hard hitting moments that makes you go WOW. Might give a shudder-effect once in a while.
Most good action/horror movies in this region.

5 - bass that makes you duck down and triggers the "fight or flight" respons. Makes you fearful for the integrity of your room and you are certain that something is going to break, somewhere.
Reserved for the crazy blow-your-windows-out-of-the-room kind of movies (cloverfield, wotw and so on)

Im running six IB15" in a room around 200square feet.
post #3359 of 16121
Just watched MI4. I'd give it a solid 4 stars for bass. I particularily liked the abrupt attack on the SUV. It made me and my woman both jump like we were watching a horror movie. I love parts like that. Overall I thought it was entertaining, full of action and the sound was well mixed and varied. Killer gunshots at the beginning and a few chunky bass parts such as the Kremlin explosion too.

When does Sherlock Holmes 2 come to BR? I have high hopes for that mix.
post #3360 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

Just watched MI4. I'd give it a solid 4 stars for bass. I particularily liked the abrupt attack on the SUV. It made me and my woman both jump like we were watching a horror movie. I love parts like that. Overall I thought it was entertaining, full of action and the sound was well mixed and varied. Killer gunshots at the beginning and a few chunky bass parts such as the Kremlin explosion too.

When does Sherlock Holmes 2 come to BR? I have high hopes for that mix.

Haha. Yeah, that attack on the SUV made my girl jump off the couch. I saw it coming though.

Josh... June 12th for the new Sherlock release.
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