The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts - Page 15

Oh yeah? I am not aware of the effort put into these average charts. I thought maybe you just ran the movie with SL on in this average window or something easy but time consuming.

I would be bummed out to not see you contribute to this thread. I still don't have a good method of doing this myself but I would if I could.

No one is saying that everyone has to do bass average charts, I think he meant to say that they are very helpful.

I think all contributions, whether it be a simple post letting us know that Thor had awesome bass at the theaters, or a post with waterfalls and bass average charts, are what make this thread interesting. The thing we all seem to be interested in is knowing where to look for wall-shattering bass in movies.

Thank you, Leto. That was what I meant. Sorry to be confusing.

I guess I shouldn't have said 'mandatory' but instead, useful cuz these bass average charts are just as useful for us. I believe they are just as important or more important than specific graphs but that's just my opinion. I'm happy with either and anyone can contribute whatever they can.

Nope - the HT gear is in another room, and the sub amp and processor are in another room still. Even if that were not the case, the Pioneer's MCACC processing wouldn't give an uncolored reading from the LFE out. I like to watch movies without messing with SL and running between the rooms each time.

Best way for me to do it by far is to extract the audio to a WAV and process it that way. Then, I'm dealing with the audio as it is on the disc. That takes enough time doing it for waterfalls, let alone letting it run for a whole movie while I'm trying to get other things done.

Glad to know my contributions are appreciated though. It has been a very trying week for me.

That's how I meant to word it, waterfalls are fine and interresting but it is the talk about how to do them what they use Etc that should be on a different thread.

Actually, it's far, far easier to do it all on one graph vs stopping the movie, pausing SL, doing a screen capture, time stamping, titling and cropping/sizing the separate scenes, uploading and posting the image url, not to mention much less time consuming.

You can watch the movie uninterrupted, or you don't even have to be there while it's graphing.


With all due respect, it must be great to not only sit back and take in the hard work of others, but then to complain that more want to know how to do their own and contribute to the thread.

JPC brings in a big load of nothing that discourages folks from wanting to post graphs, so I'm posting the facts to counter that. For all his calibration whining, when you stretch his microscopic graph and compare it to Leto's graph that he was disparaging, you get no difference worth going on about:




I agree 100%, and I appreciate your contributions. I check the thread often and post graphs of good LFE movies when I can. Keep up the good work.

Same to OK Wolf. I read your recent tweaks and agree that it's an improvement. Good stuff... please keep it up.

Bosso

I thought it'd be interesting to see what a movie with barely any bass would look like in a bass average chart, and I think I found the perfect one:

Dr. No (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :


38hz rolloff 1 star i'd say

Well see, that's what I thought. It sounded rather easy but I haven't done it myself so I won't judge. Now I have done quite a lot of regular bass graphs (before I got a Blu-ray player anyway) so I know how consuming that can be. I hope to find a way to get back into the game with my BD collection. My laptop doesnt cooperate all that well with me using SL.

Ok, I think I have some answers now. Tried Hypercube with native processing. It cannot process DTS that way... the resulting wav files were three minutes of silence.

And then I got to thinking... how does it process DTS through DirectShow? Why, through a DirectShow filter, of course. That's why it takes so long to do it. And what do I use to decode DTS on here? Why, that would be AC3Filter. Let's go in there and see how I have it set up. Aha... bass redirection is enabled below 120Hz. There's your problem, Wolfie.

So, that option is now disabled. Re-transcoding Titan A.E. now... will see what comes out.


Thanks - will do my best

Yea having experience doing both waterfalls and bass average charts, I'd say the bass average charts are easier and less time consuming. Here's how I do it now:

1. Check a loud scene to make sure there's no clipping

2. Set the frequency range on SL from 0 to 200hz, the amplitude range from -75db to 0, the FFT decimate to 64 and the length to 1024, and on the spectrum settings turn on the peak holding graph and set it to 999999, and also turn on Long Term Average (clear it if needed)

3. Disable any antivirus or firewall sound alerts, and anything else that might give an audible alert

4. Check the length of the movie and set the alarm on my cellphone for when the movie finishes. When alarm rings I stop the movie, take a screenshot, and crop out the chart. All done. I have folders for all the movies I do charts for and that helps manage things.

Nowadays I record the playback with GoldWave while doing these charts, it helps in finding the scene that gave that huge spike etc in case I want to do a waterfall or two.

I am going to skip the rehash of the technical theory, but you just do not get how movies are mixed in real life.

Take a close and detailed look at the mixing method that is used for the WOTW outdoor and indoor "lightning" strike scene and you will learn something about mixing reality. You really do not have a clue on the sound design / mix method that was used for those scenes.

Microscopic graph? Sure loads faster than the larger graphs. I detest having to scroll "large" graphs / pictures to read all the words and to see a full graph.

Just a reminder for the non brain dead, internet explorer allows you to easily magnify the view by 1000%. That is if you need to see that much detail in a waterfall.

As far as "disparaging" the color scheme in question, yes the color scheme is inside out. Red equals "hot" and blue equals "cold" in most real life situations and descriptions. Having blue represent hot levels and red represent cold levels is just arse backwards.

The Terminator (blu-ray, PCM 5.1) :


Looks like it's in the 3 star range, hardly any infrasonics. Hoping to do the rest of the Terminator movies by the end of this holiday weekend.

Ok... this is definitely LFE only. Titan A.E., starting at 1:04:00. Still plenty of sub 10Hz content in there. I'm actually not sure what purpose it serves to re-do these particular waterfalls as LFE only... there's so much of this ultra low stuff in the other channels, I don't see many people being able to reproduce it that way.

I may go ahead and re-enable bass redirection with an 80Hz crossover before fixing the waterfalls. That's how my HT is set up, anyway.

I promise I will post Star Trek 2007 and Matrix Revolutions.....doing a WiffleBall tourney at the house this weekend, so no time thus far....and the Star Trek BluRay Netflix sent did not want to play in the player....so back it went....

Leto, thanks for posting so many....LOTR looks better than I had imagined....this fall on BluRay for the extended editions, correct?

Also, will have to wait to see how Transformers 3 sounds....has real potential, but my local theaters suck in the LFE department. Other than a suckout at 45Hz and one in the low 100s Hz-wise (lacks as much punch as in the theater for some effects), It is much better in my house.

The 3D presentation wasn't the best, the screen hotspotted in the center like crazy.....

JSS

Definitely re-enable bass redirection, it's how I think most of us do it. I think the charts should represent what we listen/feel, not just the LFE output.

Too bad Star Trek didn't work on your player. Fortunately I have that movie on blu-ray so hopefully I can do it soon.

As for the blu-ray extended editions of LotR they actually came out last month. There's so many blu-rays I want to buy this year like the Star Wars complete set and the Jurassic Park trilogy, that i'd probably wait 'til next year for the blu-ray extended editions of LotR. At blu-ray.com I'm tracking 102 blu-rays that I want to buy lol.

I do have the dvd editions of the extended editions of LotR, don't know if you'd find it interesting if I do those. It's one of the few dvds I own, most of my collection, about 180 titles, is blu-rays.

Terminator 2: Judgment Day Special Edition (blu-ray, DTS HD-Master Audio 6.1):


Hmm I hope the DVD version has tons of infrasonics on it, otherwise if it's the same as the blu-ray I don't think it deserves 4 stars.

Watched TF3 today and the theatre gave no clue to how the LFE might playout on our more capable systems. The surrounds were very well utilized though.

Watched Tron tonight for the first time "hot". I had no idea my subwoofer was this capable. Clean, Crisp, Forceful LFE throughout this movie. The pressure levels were overwhelming at times. 5+ stars.

Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines (blu-ray, Dolby Digital 5.1) :


That's not a typo, this blu-ray doesn't have a lossless track. Nevertheless the bass extension is quite impressive. Curve looks similar to movies in the 4.5 star range, I'd vote 4.5 stars for this one.

Terminator: Salvation (blu-ray, DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1) :


Bass is more dynamic than T3 and it has a slightly better extension than T3, but not enough to get 5 stars, not enough infrasonics. This movie should have been 5 stars, easily, so the way this movie turned out was disappointing in terms of bass.

My vote is 4.5 stars. I know upstate-avfan-da said it should be less than 4 but I think that's coming out of their disappointment that it didn't get the 5 star treatment it should have gotten.



This is the GoldWave output of the 4 movies, with the first one at the top, and last movie at the bottom. Out of the four Terminator movies I'd say the fourth clearly has the most action in it and the most bass scenes.

Yeah do see your point. But come on lol, terminator should have some kick ass LFE. Was pretty disappointed at expecting a lot then heading basically fizzle.

Thanks for more Titan A.E plots.

Btw, the part I bolded is important. I make this point almost everytime I post my graphs. They were always LFE+RB. I'm not sure why so many are interesting in what is only in the LFE channel cuz I thought we always wanted to know what ALL of the bass was in a scene. Lol, what difference does it make what channel it is in?


Im surprised a bit by T:S with the roll off but now I do remember Bosso mentioning it didnt have a ton of infrasonics save for a couple scenes. I also heard (I think Bosso mentioned as well..) that there is a DD 5.1 French track on the BD that does have infrasonics.

Watched The Thin Red Line on DVD this evening after noting with some interest that Anna Behlmer (Cloverfield) was listed in the sound credits as re-recording engineer.

Voting four stars for now. Currently transcoding it for waterfalls to see what was really in there. Some decent explosions in the movie, particularly around the 42 minute mark. Not bad for a 1998 movie.

LetoAtreides82,

Thanks for the LOTR charts.

Now that the extended versions are out on Blu-ray, and since there was much discussion in the past about the two versions having different amounts of LFE, I wonder if you'd be willing to chart the regular and extended versions using the exact same settings, and then compare them? I think that would finally put to rest any further debate, and we will finally know for sure whether or not one version is superior to the other in the LFE department.

I have the dvd versions of the extended editions. I won't have the blu-ray versions until at least next year unless someone gifts it to me. Too many blu-rays i'd rather have first.

I think i'll do at least the dvd version of the extended edition of Fellowship and see how it compares to the theatrical blu-ray version.

Star Trek (2009) (blu-ray, Dolby TrueHD 5.1) :


Star Trek 2009 gets a 5 star vote from me. No rolloff, lots of infrasonics, and lots of action scenes. Also its bass average chart looks just like every other 5 star movie's chart.

I see LFE Man said earlier he thought Star Trek 2009 was perhaps worth 5 stars:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...k#post20419530

The Thin Red Line - DVD, Dolby Digital

Nope, not four stars. I'm going three stars on this one. No extension below 20Hz, almost nothing below 30Hz. But at least there's a lot of it, else I'd go down to two stars. Only doing the one scene - the hill bombing at 42 minutes. I have some Titan AE waterfalls to re-do... not wasting my time on a 3 hour movie that has nothing below 30Hz.

Agreed with five stars for Star Trek 2009. I remember when I still had the IXL with no highpass, and it looking like it was breathing during the opening

Post #122 updated with new Titan A.E. waterfalls. Here's a teaser:

I agree, without infrasonics it shouldn't be 4 stars. I feel that without infrasonics a movie's max should be 3.5.