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post #4231 of 16131
King Kong has some very good moments... it's just a long movie that doesn't have too many LFE scenes in it.
post #4232 of 16131
Anyone see the Woman in Black? I was quite impressed with the LFE in it. Would love to see a graph as I expect there is a decent amount below 25Hz.
post #4233 of 16131
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

King Kong has some very good moments... it's just a long movie that doesn't have too many LFE scenes in it.

Fooled me !
post #4234 of 16131
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Originally Posted by freeyayo50 View Post

The Fast and The Furious on Blu Ray... I'd give it 3.5-4. Pretty decent bass from racing scenes and it's jam packed with surround.
Fast Five had some good LFE!
post #4235 of 16131
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Yeah, I agree, I watch 5 star demos all the time so I never get wowed with new movies. The new underworld movie was the only one to say 5 stars or very close to it.

Same here. After demoing some of these 5star flicks (WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield, Hulk) about 100 times, most of these new movies just dont compare.
post #4236 of 16131
man that airplane crash scene and the train crash scene in "knowing" scared the hell out of my dog
post #4237 of 16131
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Fast Five had some good LFE!

Yea, that was a good one too. Scene with big safe at the end had the best LFE. It really thumped when safe is hitting the ground and going through the bank.
post #4238 of 16131
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

Same here. After demoing some of these 5star flicks (WOTW, FOTP, Cloverfield, Hulk) about 100 times, most of these new movies just dont compare.

Hopefully Avengers will give us the fun of Immortals w/o the brick wall limiters.

JSS
post #4239 of 16131
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

Checked out the serenity bd. Dialogue seemed a bit low :/
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Dialog was even lower on the DVD.
post #4240 of 16131
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

man that airplane crash scene and the train crash scene in "knowing" scared the hell out of my dog
That scene was pretty intense and so was the plane crash scene in The Grey.
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

Hopefully Avengers will give us the fun of Immortals w/o the brick wall limiters.
JSS
Im hoping for some good LFE out of that one and also Battleship.
post #4241 of 16131
A lot of answers about a lot of things I said I'd check out.

1. The Skywalker stages aren't monitoring anything differently than we are in regards to ULF... I spoke to someone who has mixed a lot of the films you guys go nuts for (HTTYD, etc..) They are completely aware of what they are putting in the track and their rationale was quite acceptable to me.

2. Immortals was mixed with a fair amount of buss compression on it, hence the clipping. Not my favorite way to mix (I don't use them.) but it explains the clipping.

3. In response to nube and my ranting post about the dismal experiences in theater going over the last couple of months...

I actually contacted AMC corporate through their website and got a call a week and a half later from the venue manager.. needless to say, they were responsive in not only communication but action.. they really spent some time with their techs, and even had the IMAX engineers out to look at that room..

I've been twice since then, and both experiences were fantastic (I'll post more in detail later in the post.)

In addition, I reached out to many of my colleagues and needless to say they were all ready to be pro active about the discussion...

Some great ideas, and they are not going to passively accept the state of the theater experience without at least trying to open a discussion with the exhibitors.

And I didn't take your advice and tried to open a discussion on the film-tech forum...

Not the nicest or most cordial group of fellows.

My last point about my theater experiences was the roll out of the new Dolby system for cinema sound.

For those not familiar, Dolby last Friday premiered a new theatrical sound system called Atmos.

It not only offers a new way of creating content, but some fairly radical new ideas in how the mixes are played back in theaters.

In short, it offers us the ability, at any one time, to have 128 audio objects playing back in real time out of the available 62 discrete outputs (and it add a second .1/LFE/Sub output.)

In addition, it is scalable to smaller installs (at this point I don't think there are any with more than 42 discrete channels).

And it adds bass management to cinema sound, in addition to overhead speakers.

It is in a test run in 14 venues at this point...

Check the Dolby site for more info, and if it's playing in a theater in your area, do not miss it.

Dolby Atmos

If you go the exhibitors tab there is a Document Download tab which leads to 2 pdfs..

Read the "Dolby Atmos Next Gen for Audio" for a general, but detailed, run down on the technology.

DIRECT PDF LINK TO DOLBY ATMOS NEXT GEN AUDIO FOR CINEMAS PDF

For this run of Brave there is a Dolby tech in the booth at each showing, and I can assure you that unless there is an equipment failure, you will hear the film as intended. smile.gif
post #4242 of 16131
I just experienced How to Train your Dragon with my new two subwoofers and all I can say is Wwwoooowwww!

I really enjoyed that movie the first time that we saw it at home (rental), but now that I own my 3D copy, plus the fact the subwoofers are now calibrated, it is like a complete new movie for us....it is just incredible!

@ Filmmixer

Really glad to hear that your efforts are paying off. Hopefully, it will something that other theaters will follow and we all enjoy not only amazing digital picture, but also sound at the theaters.

Congrats!
post #4243 of 16131
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

I just experienced How to Train your Dragon with my new two subwoofers and all I can say is Wwwoooowwww!

I really enjoyed that movie the first time that we saw it at home (rental), but now that I own my 3D copy, plus the fact the subwoofers are now calibrated, it is like a complete new movie for us....it is just incredible!

@ Filmmixer

Really glad to hear that your efforts are paying off. Hopefully, it will something that other theaters will follow and we all enjoy not only amazing digital picture, but also sound at the theaters.

Congrats!
httyd bottoms my subs grrr

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post #4244 of 16131
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

httyd bottoms my subs grrr
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Well, keep in mind that I was watching it at my wife's reference level.............but, as soon I have a chance I will really give my Ultras a proper test.........eek.gif
post #4245 of 16131
How is HTTYD as a movie? Is it enjoyable for an adult?
post #4246 of 16131
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Originally Posted by freeyayo50 View Post

How is HTTYD as a movie? Is it enjoyable for an adult?

If you like other movies like The Incredibles, Kung Fu Panda, Iron Giant, etc. then you might like it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1194522-how_to_train_your_dragon/

Give it a try as a rental, that is what I did at first, and now I have my own 3D copy.

Cheers!
post #4247 of 16131
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Originally Posted by freeyayo50 View Post

How is HTTYD as a movie? Is it enjoyable for an adult?
Its humor is mostly aimed at young teenage boys and there is little originality to the plot or characters. The audio is the best thing about the movie. There are much better animated movies.
post #4248 of 16131
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

Its humor is mostly aimed at young teenage boys and there is little originality to the plot or characters. The audio is the best thing about the movie. There are much better animated movies.

I liked it a lot. As far as the humor I liked how they didn't do any pop culture references at all like a lot of animated movies seem to do. Maybe I have a teenage boy like sense of humor... my wife probably thinks so - but hey, she liked the movie too.
post #4249 of 16131
FilmMixer,

"1. The Skywalker stages aren't monitoring anything differently than we are in regards to ULF... I spoke to someone who has mixed a lot of the films you guys go nuts for (HTTYD, etc..) They are completely aware of what they are putting in the track and their rationale was quite acceptable to me."

This is awesome, but what was their rationale? Can you elaborate? It would be great to know how they go about adding/not highpassing ULF effects even if they can't monitor it on a big mixing stage. Do they just keep track of headroom? Or is it different for BluRay/DVD?


"2. Immortals was mixed with a fair amount of buss compression on it, hence the clipping. Not my favorite way to mix (I don't use them.) but it explains the clipping."

Gotcha. So this was an intended effect, not necessarily a mistake. I can understand. The soundtrack needed to be over the top, even if it sounds like it will definitely wreck the reproduction system with the addition of harmonics by limiters.

Thanks so much for all of your work and effort. I wish there was someone you could get a hold of or someone I could get a hold of in my town to ensure I could get the true experience as intended. I'd probably go to the cinema more often if that was the case...instead of saying "I'd rather wait to see/hear it as intended" and get/rent the BluRay.

JSS
post #4250 of 16131
BTW I saw Brave with the new Atmos surround setup and was very impressed. They must have made sure everything was optimal because the bass was outstanding too, the best I've experienced in a theater. The sound was so good but it sure did scare my little girls to death, they aren't big fans of bears right now!! I highly recommend going to see this if you have a theater with Dolby Atmos nearby. I still prefer my HT but it was great.
post #4251 of 16131
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

FilmMixer,
"1. The Skywalker stages aren't monitoring anything differently than we are in regards to ULF... I spoke to someone who has mixed a lot of the films you guys go nuts for (HTTYD, etc..) They are completely aware of what they are putting in the track and their rationale was quite acceptable to me."
This is awesome, but what was their rationale? Can you elaborate? It would be great to know how they go about adding/not highpassing ULF effects even if they can't monitor it on a big mixing stage. Do they just keep track of headroom? Or is it different for BluRay/DVD?

"2. Immortals was mixed with a fair amount of buss compression on it, hence the clipping. Not my favorite way to mix (I don't use them.) but it explains the clipping."
Gotcha. So this was an intended effect, not necessarily a mistake. I can understand. The soundtrack needed to be over the top, even if it sounds like it will definitely wreck the reproduction system with the addition of harmonics by limiters.
Thanks so much for all of your work and effort. I wish there was someone you could get a hold of or someone I could get a hold of in my town to ensure I could get the true experience as intended. I'd probably go to the cinema more often if that was the case...instead of saying "I'd rather wait to see/hear it as intended" and get/rent the BluRay.
JSS

The rationale isn't important (I'm not really sure it's something that I can share).. however, they are getting the intended effect on the dub stage and in most theaters..

The hows I don't know the specifics of, and most sound designers don't share those secrets.. but the fact that it's all intentional, and well thought out, was interesting to confirm.

In regards to Immortals, I can only say my source was there and can confirm the amount of compression on the track... intended effect maybe, but heard on the dub stage that way and not a surprise confirmed. smile.gif

About your last point... I don't think anyone should have to make an extra effort to make certain they have a proper experience when they pay good money (lots of it with concession, gas, baby sitters, etc..)

Although I did talk to some of the managers / shift bosses while at the theater, my comment from AMC's site seemed to go through the right channels..

I encourage everyone to use them if they're not satisfied with the presentation at a given venue..

And you just gave me a great idea for my "crusade."

Thanks... wink.gif
post #4252 of 16131
Thanks so much, Marc, for going out investigating these things with your colleagues. smile.gif

Always interesting hearing about this stuff from the guys who really make what we hear in the mix.
post #4253 of 16131
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Originally Posted by freeyayo50 View Post

How is HTTYD as a movie? Is it enjoyable for an adult?


It is one of my favorite animated movies A/V aside (which is fantastic!). I just thought it was a lot of fun, not a dull moment, good message, no eye rolling moments..........one of the better animated films IMO. Top it off with reference audio/video/3d and it is a fantastic all around HT disc! cool.gif
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I liked it a lot. As far as the humor I liked how they didn't do any pop culture references at all like a lot of animated movies seem to do. Maybe I have a teenage boy like sense of humor... my wife probably thinks so - but hey, she liked the movie too.

Exactly! These type of moments are commonly a bit cringe worthy for me and it was a refreshing change to not have any of this in HTTYD. My GF really enjoyed the movie as well. This is one of the few we actually went out to see in the theater and all 4 of us thought it was excellent (2 adults and 2 teenage girls 14 and 16). I now own the 3d blu ray and have watched it 2 or 3 times as well. As with any movie though, it is subjective but this is a great movie IMO!
Edited by Toe - 6/27/12 at 6:03am
post #4254 of 16131
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

The rationale isn't important (I'm not really sure it's something that I can share).. however, they are getting the intended effect on the dub stage and in most theaters..
The hows I don't know the specifics of, and most sound designers don't share those secrets.. but the fact that it's all intentional, and well thought out, was interesting to confirm. . . .
Thanks for the information. Because of your discussion(s) do you think you will make any changes to the way you mix bass content?
post #4255 of 16131
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

It is one of my favorite animated movies A/V aside (which is fantastic!). I just thought it was a lot of fun, not a dull moment, good message, no eye rolling moments..........one of the better animated films IMO. Top it off with reference audio/video/3d and it is a fantastic all around HT disc! cool.gif
Exactly! These type of moments are commonly a bit cringe worthy for me and it was a refreshing change to not have any of this in HTTYD. My GF really enjoyed the movie as well. This is one of the few we actually went out to see in the theater and all 4 of us thought it was excellent (2 adults and 2 teenage girls 14 and 16). I now own the 3d blu ray and have watched it 2 or 3 times as well. As with any movie though, it is subjective but this is a great movie IMO!

Good Luck! with the two teenage girls that is wink.gif

I really liked HTTYD as well.
post #4256 of 16131
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I liked it a lot. As far as the humor I liked how they didn't do any pop culture references at all like a lot of animated movies seem to do. Maybe I have a teenage boy like sense of humor... my wife probably thinks so - but hey, she liked the movie too.

HTTYD is near the top in my household of girls ranging between 7-14, my wife and myself. Would be hard pressed to find a better animated movie since it came out. And harder yet to find one that was as good in the AV dept. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

BTW I saw Brave with the new Atmos surround setup and was very impressed. They must have made sure everything was optimal because the bass was outstanding too, the best I've experienced in a theater. The sound was so good but it sure did scare my little girls to death, they aren't big fans of bears right now!! I highly recommend going to see this if you have a theater with Dolby Atmos nearby. I still prefer my HT but it was great.

The audio was anemic where my family and I saw this. Same theater where we, coincidentally, saw HTTYD and the bass was pretty good then. Not as good as at home, but still impactful for a standard commercial theater.

Good that it was just my theater as other reports seem positive as well. I was hoping the audio would be better although Pixar has been a bit conservative since Ratatouille.
post #4257 of 16131
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Good Luck! with the two teenage girls that is wink.gif
I really liked HTTYD as well.

Man, you are not kidding! tongue.gif Technically, they are the GFs girls, but even getting just a taste of it has been quite the challenge at times. They definitely like to test the waters/limits and try to get away with things that they cant at their Dad's house since I am just "the boyfriend" (the older one is now 17 and asked if her boyfriend could spend the night a few weeks back.............rolleyes.gif). I love both of them and we get along great the vast majority of the time, but there have been some interesting moments for sure. I am sure having boys would bring its own unique set of challenges as well.


Sorry if this has been mentioned and I missed it, but have any of you guys seen Wrath of the Titans on blu yet? This looks to have good HT/LFE potential and I am curious to check it out.
post #4258 of 16131
Just watched the Casino Royale scene where Bond is chasing the Free Runner (jumping scene). WOW! eek.gif What a great demo scene! Great sound track, but also lots of different types of bass in that scene! The gun shots are some of the strongest 'kick in the chest' I've heard. Some very tight bass like when the front loader bursts through the fence (scared the crap out of me), and a very nice deep bass as part of the sound track. Add the action sequence and it is definitely one of my new favorite demo scenes to show off! biggrin.gif
post #4259 of 16131
Watched the Extended Cut of Rambo(2008) last night. I’ve seen the theatrical version years ago and don’t remember being this impressed with the Audio/LFE. I’m at 4 possibly 4.5 on this one. For what its worth, some users reviews online state that the Extended Cut has more oompf and is more dynamic than the theatrical cut. I also feel that the Extended version was a better movie in general.
post #4260 of 16131
Watched This Means War, rubbish film but some great bass moments, a solid 3.5 /4
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