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post #4441 of 16113
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Top 10? No way!
This is not hard, the hardest hitting scenes with both deep bass and Midbass.
WotW
FOTP
Cloverfield
Underworld
Battle LA
Tron
TIH
Pulse
Those hit low and hard. My highest peaks on the meter were from these. Other movies that have awesome very low frequency effects are The New Daughter, HTTYD, BHD, and Immortals. There are others but just throw those in and hang on!

Great list, James. The exceptions are FOTP and Cloverfield, both overrated, IMHO.

I took that scene in Battle: LA (where the alien Command Control Center rises up out of the ground) and ran my subs a bit hot and mic'd it into SpecLab from the sweet spot:

BFLAShimg.jpg

I bow to anyone whose sub can do that without needing a stretcher afterward. biggrin.gif

WOTW still tops the charts after all these years. Almost no one knows that the most difficult scene in the movie to accurately reproduce is the plane crash scene as heard in the basement. It never gets any mention and certainly isn't on anyone's list, but that's because it's almost all <20 Hz. 3 octaves mixed HAH (Hot As H---):

WOTWPlaneCrash.jpg

Thor is one disc that I like, even though it's filtered at 20 Hz. I wanted to mention it here to get any input from tweakers (Max, you out there?) who may have noticed how hot the low end is on the BluRay vs the DVD. About 6dB as I see it. The best scene in the movie is when Odin shows up to stop the fight. Here's a comparison of the BR to the DVD, all else being exactly equal and showing the +6dB BR bump:

ThorDVDvsBR.png

Of course, no list is complete without HTTYD. Loads of great low end down to below 3 Hz, and the Mac Daddy dragon crash scene at the end (digital feed vs mic'd at the LP):

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I also wanted to bring up an oldie but goodie. Daredevil, the scene where he wakes up blind in the hospital. Awesome demo to test the bandwidth and dynamic tracking ability of your system:

Daredevilblindcopy.jpg

Saw your graphs, haven't had a chance to get back to you. Testing new stuff myself. Will ping you back soon.
post #4442 of 16113
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

C'mon cat!
Green screen. The would never subject a star actor they pay millions of $$$ so a hazard like that... Maybe if this was the late 90's and it was another Leathal Weapon movie. They can (obviously) make sime ridiculously believable stuff with the green screen background.

C'mon polock!
I suggest you actually watch the video. If you do, you'll see actor Heath Ledger wall out of the building, as it begins to explode. Also clean the wax out of your ears and you'll hear the director say, that Heath had some cork debris in his hair, from that scene. They did the whole scene in one take. The director wanted the scene to be real. No blue screen and no stunt doubles were used for that scene.
post #4443 of 16113
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Great list, James. The exceptions are FOTP and Cloverfield, both overrated, IMHO.
I took that scene in Battle: LA (where the alien Command Control Center rises up out of the ground) and ran my subs a bit hot and mic'd it into SpecLab from the sweet spot:
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I bow to anyone whose sub can do that without needing a stretcher afterward. biggrin.gif
WOTW still tops the charts after all these years. Almost no one knows that the most difficult scene in the movie to accurately reproduce is the plane crash scene as heard in the basement. It never gets any mention and certainly isn't on anyone's list, but that's because it's almost all <20 Hz. 3 octaves mixed HAH (Hot As H---):
WOTWPlaneCrash.jpg
Thor is one disc that I like, even though it's filtered at 20 Hz. I wanted to mention it here to get any input from tweakers (Max, you out there?) who may have noticed how hot the low end is on the BluRay vs the DVD. About 6dB as I see it. The best scene in the movie is when Odin shows up to stop the fight. Here's a comparison of the BR to the DVD, all else being exactly equal and showing the +6dB BR bump:

Of course, no list is complete without HTTYD. Loads of great low end down to below 3 Hz, and the Mac Daddy dragon crash scene at the end (digital feed vs mic'd at the LP):

I also wanted to bring up an oldie but goodie. Daredevil, the scene where he wakes up blind in the hospital. Awesome demo to test the bandwidth and dynamic tracking ability of your system:

Saw your graphs, haven't had a chance to get back to you. Testing new stuff myself. Will ping you back soon.

Thanks for the graphs. I now have to give WOTW and Thor a listen. I'm a little bit into Cloverfield and find its great so far with the bass. Had to stop last night because I was falling asleep on it biggrin.gif
Edited by freeyayo50 - 7/14/12 at 8:07am
post #4444 of 16113
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

C'mon polock!
I suggest you actually watch the video. If you do, you'll see actor Heath Ledger wall out of the building, as it begins to explode. Also clean the wax out of your ears and you'll hear the director say, that Heath had some cork debris in his hair, from that scene. They did the whole scene in one take. The director wanted the scene to be real. No blue screen and no stunt doubles were used for that scene.

Ok. Didn't mean to upset you. Never took the time to watch "the making" of the film.
post #4445 of 16113
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post


WOTW still tops the charts after all these years. Almost no one knows that the most difficult scene in the movie to accurately reproduce is the plane crash scene as heard in the basement. It never gets any mention and certainly isn't on anyone's list, but that's because it's almost all <20 Hz. 3 octaves mixed HAH (Hot As H---):

WOTWPlaneCrash.jpg

I don't recall such low and abundant LF content when I was plotting that scene in WotW.. what's the time code on the bluray or dvd?

My speclab capture for the basement explosion scene @WotW (Blu-ray time stamp 40'35", -1dB@20Hz, -3dB@10Hz on my soundcard):

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For comparison's sake this is from the highway flipover scene ,same playback level:
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post #4446 of 16113
Hi My,

Here's a shot of the graphs scaled for comparison:

wotwcomparo.jpg

The calibration and levels for sub/MVL weren't changed between the 2 graphs I capped. Our color scales are a bit different and my resolution settings are much higher than yours, but I believe the major diff is that your signal chain rolls off sooner than mine.

You can see that our bridge scene bottom end agrees with the strong content bottoming at 5 Hz, but the plane crash scene is strong to below 3 Hz, which doesn't show up in your graph.

As you can see by my graph, you missed the toughest part and your scale and title block are covering some of the cap and you included the later easier part of the scene. I use the DTS track of the DVD and I don't know the time stamp, but you should be able to get that part right from looking at the graph, if you decide to go further.
post #4447 of 16113
Hi bossobass, thanks for your detailed analysis. My last post (#4446) was a name missuse due to facebook login, sorry about that.
I agree that early rolloff of the soundcard could cause level comparison issues, just saying that particular scene (plane crash explosion heard in the basement ) doesn't seem to be ULF-rich on my plot, especially when its compared with other WotW's demo scenes.
post #4448 of 16113
Hey bosso,

Yes, I am out here. Great graphs. I have actually never played the DVD of Thor on my system, but I am glad the BD has some oomph to it. Decent film, too. It has great low end, too bad it was filtered, as the land tsunami caused by Mjolnir could have been a great opportunity for ULFE. I only get about 5Hz below 20, so no huge loss for me, but I will be moving into the multiple-sealed camp very soon, the goal is to get about what my BD and AVR will give, flat to around 7-10Hz. I think eight 15" midpriced drivers should get me there, I already have 3 of them. New LCR and surrounds are in the works as well, and I may be moving into 7.1 territory, as well as bulding a BOC screen that I can put rigid fiberglass behind to avoid suckouts from the LCR. No AT screen for me, not at this house. First, I have to make some rollarounds for some newer tools in my shop, and do a full analysis of the line arrays I have, and come up with a DIY guide to CBT speakers, then the HT gets an overhaul. I will post all of my line array findings out on DIYSG's forum.

The thing that bugs me about the level differences is that the DVD and BD are different at all, and by such a substantial amount. Why? Is it a rationale that ppl w/ DVD players will not, on average, have a system that can handle LFE, or a mistake in mastering/near field mixing, etc? Same thing, but in reverse for Star Wars Episode II. The DVD has some impressive LF, with lightsaber swings felt as well as heard, but the BD is neutered in comparison......WTF? FIlmMixer, can you offer an answer as to why things can change so dramtically between BD and DVD formats?

Most impact for me in Thor is the scene where the Bifrost/Heimdall's Observatory comes off of its mountings as it starts spinning out of control towards the end.


JSS
post #4449 of 16113
The bass demo disc is just incredible. Even menu screen bumps heavy in bass smile.gif. These scenes on the disc really rock. I'm lovin it.
post #4450 of 16113
Hey Bosso,
You know it has been so long since I have watched WOTW other than the demo disc. I agree, all one really has to do is put WOTW in and play any scene, it is that good. I forgot about that plane crash scene and remember saying holy crap when it was finished. FOTP and Cloverfield are great loud bass scenes and battle La almost knocked my projector off the shelf!
post #4451 of 16113
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Originally Posted by ken wu View Post

Hi bossobass, thanks for your detailed analysis. My last post (#4446) was a name missuse due to facebook login, sorry about that.
I agree that early rolloff of the soundcard could cause level comparison issues, just saying that particular scene (plane crash explosion heard in the basement ) doesn't seem to be ULF-rich on my plot, especially when its compared with other WotW's demo scenes.

Well, my first indication is the stress on my system. There's no way that happens unless there's strong content to below 3 Hz. smile.gif

The few Times I make digital graphs (because it's a PITA, having to change the players menu, the interface routing and the interface front panel settings, then change it all back when I'm done), I take the digital out of the player to the digital in of my interface so the digits get straight to SpecLab with no roll off. Here's the scene (note that the first wham, which is also brutal, isn't on these graphs because my scroll speed is too fast to get it all on one cap) taken directly off the disc vs the subs mic'd:

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Of course, my system has its Kryptonite and the measurement system isn't flat to DC. tongue.gif

You can see the sub/measurement rig roll off at around 3-4 Hz, but the disc goes all the way down, and strong at that. I know from playing scenes in WOTW and graphing them so many times that this is the most difficult scene on the disc. Other scenes have more total dBSPL, but this one requires the most excursion and power, hands down.
post #4452 of 16113
Just saw Prometheus in the theater last night. The showed it with a Sony 4K projector. The picture was incredible and the sound was fantastic. Great deep bass. The scenes that come to mind are the engines on the Prometheus and when the alien ship took off from the planet. Also the entire sequence when the Prometheus crashed into the alien ship. The explosion was loud and deep. BTW I thought the movie was really good.
post #4453 of 16113
In my experience, the plane crash scene in wotw gets a bit shrieky. I have asked others to tell me whether this is built-in to the track, and it seems that it may be. I would certainly invite other people's feedback about the scene.
post #4454 of 16113
I got to spend some time today with an orbit shifter again today. My 4th demo experience with an OS. The scene that I kept coming back to was the "Coming mother" door pounds from the movie "The Haunting." The slams of the door in that scene is unreal! Anyone know what frequency those slams are hitting at? They were shaking the entire wall! A most excellent demo scene!
post #4455 of 16113
I would love to find out what frequency the uzzi fire is as well. The Seaton Submersive alongside Catalysts 12C's has produced the best uzzi fire sound I have heard in Underworld Awakening
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Does anyone know what frequency the standard uzzi fire is on Underworld Awakening? Say the elevator scene where she shoots the bottom out before it crashes around her? I don't care about the crash ---- I'm just curious about the uzzi fire specifically.
post #4456 of 16113
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Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post

I got to spend some time today with an orbit shifter again today. My 4th demo experience with an OS. The scene that I kept coming back to was the "Coming mother" door pounds from the movie "The Haunting." The slams of the door in that scene is unreal! Anyone know what frequency those slams are hitting at? They were shaking the entire wall! A most excellent demo scene!



Agree.....and I have dual OSs cool.gif
post #4457 of 16113
Dual Orbit shifters on The Haunting would be an awesome listening experience! I have heard duals at the jtr open house,but the movie was not part of the demo.
post #4458 of 16113
You guys do realize that when Calibrated correctly all subs will play the same levels when level matched and EQ'd the same. Of course this assumes no compression and one having enough sub for reference in their room. Any differences in spl's are from frequency differences or someone just plain running hot. Even so, if I run 10 dBs hot and another runs 10 dBs we should hit the same SPL's.
post #4459 of 16113
SPL's are one thing. The way a sub sounds is another. Who is to say when a sub is calibrated corrrectly? I hear the excuse of improper calibration too frequently when a sub doesn't appear to be producing results in certain scenes. There are ported and sealed subs, and then there are horns. Are you suggesting that when "properly calibrated" that they should sound the same?
post #4460 of 16113
Just watched Wrath of the Titans on my new dual CHT VS18.1's. Great LFE for my first full movie viewing on them. At least 3.5-4 stars. Cant wait for them to have a bit more break-in time to watch a few select flicks.
post #4461 of 16113
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Great list, James. The exceptions are FOTP and Cloverfield, both overrated, IMHO.

We agree to disagree on that one. tongue.gifwink.gif
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

I took that scene in Battle: LA (where the alien Command Control Center rises up out of the ground) and ran my subs a bit hot and mic'd it into SpecLab from the sweet spot:
BFLAShimg.jpg
I bow to anyone whose sub can do that without needing a stretcher afterward. biggrin.gif

Damn skippy! The effect during this sequence is nearly indescribable.
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

WOTW still tops the charts after all these years. Almost no one knows that the most difficult scene in the movie to accurately reproduce is the plane crash scene as heard in the basement. It never gets any mention and certainly isn't on anyone's list, but that's because it's almost all <20 Hz. 3 octaves mixed HAH (Hot As H---):
WOTWPlaneCrash.jpg

Always liked that scene. Wrecks my room real good. You know, most don't mention all the other good scenes in WotW besides the first street sequence simply cuz it's good demo material. The whole movie is chock full of reference bass.
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post


I also wanted to bring up an oldie but goodie. Daredevil, the scene where he wakes up blind in the hospital. Awesome demo to test the bandwidth and dynamic tracking ability of your system:
Daredevilblindcopy.jpg
Saw your graphs, haven't had a chance to get back to you. Testing new stuff myself. Will ping you back soon.

Yeah. Daredevil has always been a gold standard since I got it on disc. It's a sleeper for sure.

Heh, you know, Dave. Just going off of what people say in threads like this...the scenes they like, you can tell who actually can do low. Or ...as low as they think. wink.gif For instance, I think you and I are the only ones around here that could detect stuff like the wormhole in Star Trek. biggrin.gif

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Hey bosso,
Yes, I am out here. Great graphs. I have actually never played the DVD of Thor on my system, but I am glad the BD has some oomph to it. Decent film, too. It has great low end, too bad it was filtered, as the land tsunami caused by Mjolnir could have been a great opportunity for ULFE. I only get about 5Hz below 20, so no huge loss for me, but I will be moving into the multiple-sealed camp very soon, the goal is to get about what my BD and AVR will give, flat to around 7-10Hz. I think eight 15" midpriced drivers should get me there, I already have 3 of them. New LCR and surrounds are in the works as well, and I may be moving into 7.1 territory, as well as bulding a BOC screen that I can put rigid fiberglass behind to avoid suckouts from the LCR. No AT screen for me, not at this house. First, I have to make some rollarounds for some newer tools in my shop, and do a full analysis of the line arrays I have, and come up with a DIY guide to CBT speakers, then the HT gets an overhaul. I will post all of my line array findings out on DIYSG's forum.

JSS

DUDE!!!! I gotta know more about this. smile.gif
post #4462 of 16113
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Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post

I got to spend some time today with an orbit shifter again today. My 4th demo experience with an OS. The scene that I kept coming back to was the "Coming mother" door pounds from the movie "The Haunting." The slams of the door in that scene is unreal! Anyone know what frequency those slams are hitting at? They were shaking the entire wall! A most excellent demo scene!

No lower than 20Hz if I remember right. The movie in general has a couple of spots where there is a bit of sub 10Hz, but for the most part the lowest stuff you'll find in there is around 15Hz. And even then it's just a couple of scenes, like Eleanor getting trapped by the bed.

Nice hard hitting movie though, especially if you really crank it. I did a demo video for my tapped horns on that movie last Halloween. Figured I'd scare all the trick or treaters biggrin.gif

Daredevil - I need to get that one. I have Elektra and The Spirit, so I'm running low on excuses to not have it.
post #4463 of 16113
Wolf, stick with the dvd version (cuz the BR is DC only) so you can still watch it with a rifftrack. It's one of the better ones in their catalog. wink.gif
post #4464 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

We agree to disagree on that one. tongue.gifwink.gif

Here's the cpmparo, right off the player, no settings changed: wink.gif

Most people run their subs stupid hot. Doesn't make the soundtrack 5 stars.

CloverfieldvsWOTW.jpg

Back when WOTW was released to DVD, I always cringed when I read posts like "Just played WOTW and my 'X' sub handles it with no sweat!". I knew better. There's no sub that handles it with no sweat. If there is, somebody post the details. cool.gif

Here's how that sort of comment translates as it relates to the WOTW plane crash scene:

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That's a popular 20 Hz tuned sub vs a Raptor, both mic'd from the LP, mic position and calibration identical for both. Here's the FR at the LP, each sub in exactly the same spot and calibrated to the same level and FR above the ported subs tune:

bht-15raptorvs20hzported.jpg

They both 'handled' the scene... wink.gif Pictures are worth 1,000 subjective comments.
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Heh, you know, Dave. Just going off of what people say in threads like this...the scenes they like, you can tell who actually can do low. Or ...as low as they think. wink.gif For instance, I think you and I are the only ones around here that could detect stuff like the wormhole in Star Trek. biggrin.gif

Agreed. Pretty hard to detect when it ain't there.
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DUDE!!!! I gotta know more about this. smile.gif

I 2nd this^^ Max is the man.
Edited by bossobass - 7/15/12 at 6:54am
post #4465 of 16113
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

WOTW still tops the charts after all these years. Almost no one knows that the most difficult scene in the movie to accurately reproduce is the plane crash scene as heard in the basement. It never gets any mention and certainly isn't on anyone's list, but that's because it's almost all <20 Hz. 3 octaves mixed HAH (Hot As H---):
WOTWPlaneCrash.jpg

Years ago I was using WOTW to see what my safe headroom limits were and had the volume up way past where I would normally be. During the lightning strikes my receiver (mid grade Pio at the time) actually muted and went into protect twice. I think it is the second or third strike that triggered it but can't remember exactly. It seemed a little odd because there is very little upper frequency content during this and I believe I was using a 80Hz cross on the mains at that time. I can only assume that it triggered some type of DC fault protection. Either that or the current demands from the sub amps somehow browned out the AC line enough to trigger it even though they are on a separate breaker. Never had any other soundtrack do that.

BTW you don't happen to have an SL capture of the final battle in X-men 1st class do you? Specifically where the navy bombards the beach and Magneto halts the shells? That part is violent in my room and one of my favorite bass effects I've encountered.
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

I also wanted to bring up an oldie but goodie. Daredevil, the scene where he wakes up blind in the hospital. Awesome demo to test the bandwidth and dynamic tracking ability of your system:
Daredevilblindcopy.jpg
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yeah. Daredevil has always been a gold standard since I got it on disc. It's a sleeper for sure.

You know... I never have watched that movie. Heard it wasn't very good. Might be worth it for the bass huh?

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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Heh, you know, Dave. Just going off of what people say in threads like this...the scenes they like, you can tell who actually can do low. Or ...as low as they think. wink.gif For instance, I think you and I are the only ones around here that could detect stuff like the wormhole in Star Trek. biggrin.gif

Getting a little elitist there Scott? tongue.gif
post #4466 of 16113
Loving all the suggestions for top 10 BD scenes and agree with all of them. One scene not mentioned so far is the plane fly over in Hanna at the beginning of the movie when she is still in the woods. What is great about it is that it is out of now where. I remember replaying that scene a few times when I first watched it.
post #4467 of 16113
Probably not a top 10 on anyone's list but still fun.......Monster's Inc. Blu.......when Mike and Sully take Boo home.....from when she starts to cry and then laughs.......the kicker is the end when she laughs. cool.gif I was listening loud(not reference) with dual Orbit Shifters. The sock det earlier of course is also worth checking out.
post #4468 of 16113
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Probably not a top 10 on anyone's list but still fun.......Monster's Inc. Blu.......when Mike and Sully take Boo home.....from when she starts to cry and then laughs.......the kicker is the end when she laughs. cool.gif I was listening loud(not reference) with dual Orbit Shifters. The sock det earlier of course is also worth checking out.

That's my fav Pixar movie!

Hey, so I watched Incredible Hulk last night... The pulse cannon scene was awesome... My sub was good up until that point... it cut out and I just laughted a bit... When I get the Ultra's setup I'm going to watch that scene again.
post #4469 of 16113
Lots of fun scenes being mentioned! I had already forgot about Hanna and Monsters Inc. Not to mention a little gem on the first page: "Inside". Not many have seen it but it is crazy good when it comes to LFE!
post #4470 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Kevin12586 View Post

Loving all the suggestions for top 10 BD scenes and agree with all of them. One scene not mentioned so far is the plane fly over in Hanna at the beginning of the movie when she is still in the woods. What is great about it is that it is out of now where. I remember replaying that scene a few times when I first watched it.

Time stamp 00:09:34. Yea, its low. Nice find.
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