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post #4801 of 8171
8/16/12 at 5:23am
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Yes, this is it wink.gif
The end scene is not of any interest...to people who have LFE-capable systems.

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post #4802 of 8171
8/16/12 at 6:03am
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Yes, this is it wink.gif
The end scene is not of any interest...to people who have LFE-capable systems.

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Use the Zoom function on Internat Explorer!
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post #4803 of 8171
8/16/12 at 6:12am
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Sorry, can't read the labels.

Just saw that the page reduced the image's size. Sorry for the confusion.

Flageborg,

What source is this graph derived from?
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post #4804 of 8171
8/16/12 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Yes, this is it wink.gif
The end scene is not of any interest...to people who have LFE-capable systems.

You mean to those who don't? Without LFE its just a woosh, no biggie. The pulse was just too much for mine, good news is i have a new woofer on the way. I'll just need to turn the sub level down a bit next time.

The LFE is so part of that movie, if you watch that movie without it you miss so much.
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post #4805 of 8171
8/16/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

You mean the car chase scene?

Lol. No.
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Check out the scene when the vaporizer thing has gone off and Scarecrow ambushes Katie Holmes and the kid in the alley when they're all drugged up. That scene should be loaded with single digit bass.

It's in the last 15-20 minutes of the movie. Scarecrow ambushes Rachel in an alleyway while she has the little boy on her side. He's riding a horse and she shoots him in the face is a stungun. You don't remember this?
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post #4806 of 8171
8/16/12 at 11:43am
Watched Raid Redemption & thought it has some good bass moments, a solid 3.5 for me
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post #4807 of 8171
8/16/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

It's in the last 15-20 minutes of the movie. Scarecrow ambushes Rachel in an alleyway while she has the little boy on her side. He's riding a horse and she shoots him in the face is a stungun. You don't remember this?

That is at 1:53:00. Here's 5 min of C and LFE:



Looks like there are only very few occasions where the level of ULF is above listening threshold.
Edited by markus767 - 8/16/12 at 12:37pm
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post #4808 of 8171
8/16/12 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

That is at 1:53:00. Here's 5 min of C and LFE:

Looks like there are only very few occasions where the level of ULF is above listening threshold.

Feeling the ULFs are just as fun, no need to hear them. Real life has ULFs all the time and the movies should to if they want to sound and feel more realistic. Everytime I am sitting at my desk I can hear a big truck go by and then my chair and pants will vibrate. I don't hear it, I just feel it, I love that effect and if a movie has it I am happy.
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post #4809 of 8171
8/16/12 at 2:48pm
Still don't get why people expect to "hear" such low infrasonic material especially when so many people say they love to 'feel' deep bass. It's tactical. You feel it. That's it.


"Oh! What's the point in having extension to 5hz when the only way you can hear it is to produce 135dB of it?" rolleyes.gif


Not that I would snuff out the capability to have 135dB @ 5hz. Wheeeewwww! biggrin.gif
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post #4810 of 8171
8/16/12 at 4:50pm
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Still don't get why people expect to "hear" such low infrasonic material especially when so many people say they love to 'feel' deep bass. It's tactical. You feel it. That's it.

That is true.
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post #4811 of 8171
8/16/12 at 10:59pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Feeling the ULFs are just as fun, no need to hear them. Real life has ULFs all the time and the movies should to if they want to sound and feel more realistic. Everytime I am sitting at my desk I can hear a big truck go by and then my chair and pants will vibrate. I don't hear it, I just feel it, I love that effect and if a movie has it I am happy.

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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Still don't get why people expect to "hear" such low infrasonic material especially when so many people say they love to 'feel' deep bass. It's tactical. You feel it. That's it.
"Oh! What's the point in having extension to 5hz when the only way you can hear it is to produce 135dB of it?" rolleyes.gif
Not that I would snuff out the capability to have 135dB @ 5hz. Wheeeewwww! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

That is true.

Do you feel 5Hz at 80dB SPL?
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post #4812 of 8171
8/17/12 at 5:30am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post


Feeling the ULFs are just as fun, no need to hear them. Real life has ULFs all the time and the movies should to if they want to sound and feel more realistic. Everytime I am sitting at my desk I can hear a big truck go by and then my chair and pants will vibrate. I don't hear it, I just feel it, I love that effect and if a movie has it I am happy.



First you claim that you "can hear a big truck go by", then you claim you "don't hear it"? That does not compute.

You should prove your observation by showing us a spectrogram, waterfall, RTA, or whatever that you can use to prove what frequencies make your "chair and pants" vibrate. Feeling room reasonance effects does mean that those frequencies are in the ULF range!
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post #4813 of 8171
8/17/12 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

First you claim that you "can hear a big truck go by", then you claim you "don't hear it"? That does not compute.
You should prove your observation by showing us a spectrogram, waterfall, RTA, or whatever that you can use to prove what frequencies make your "chair and pants" vibrate. Feeling room reasonance effects does mean that those frequencies are in the ULF range!

You guys love to argue semantics. When a truck goes by you hear it, no? After hearing it pass by you feel the vibration which is now the only thing happening. A very cool effect. I never had to explain everything in detail so much before. You really needed me to explain what I meant? ULF's to me are frequencies that one can not hear but feel. It depends on the spl's on whether one can hear them or not. When I felt those vibrations so I would assume they were under 20hz. I don't care if they were harmonics, 30hz, 10hz, or whatever, it was unfiltered live sound and real life effects which movies should have!
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post #4814 of 8171
8/17/12 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

You guys love to argue semantics. When a truck goes by you hear it, no? After hearing it pass by you feel the vibration which is now the only thing happening. A very cool effect. I never had to explain everything in detail so much before. You really needed me to explain what I meant? ULF's to me are frequencies that one can not hear but feel. It depends on the spl's on whether one can hear them or not. When I felt those vibrations so I would assume they were under 20hz. I don't care if they were harmonics, 30hz, 10hz, or whatever, it was unfiltered live sound and real life effects which movies should have!

If it's just about vibrations then bass shakers seem to be more practical and economical, no?
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post #4815 of 8171
8/17/12 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

If it's just about vibrations then bass shakers seem to be more practical and economical, no?

Well, shakers don't give you the pressure that comes with subs. Anyone can do what they wish, my shakers are not even wired to an amp anymore but still in the chairs. One can get 95% of the material with a great 20hz sub and 98% with a 15hz tuned sub. I just happen to like to get everything and not worry about what if.
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post #4816 of 8171
8/17/12 at 7:41am
Sorry for breaking up the debate but i just wanted to note here that Xmen FC killed my subs!!!!! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

what a workout they had, it was awesome.

P.S - i think it blew my mid and tweeter also.....dont know for sure and dont even know how is that even possible but i have to get a new mid/tweeter combo for my centre channel.
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post #4817 of 8171
8/17/12 at 8:07am
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Sorry for breaking up the debate but i just wanted to note here that Xmen FC killed my subs!!!!! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
what a workout they had, it was awesome.
P.S - i think it blew my mid and tweeter also.....dont know for sure and dont even know how is that even possible but i have to get a new mid/tweeter combo for my centre channel.

Where did you have the volume set at on your AVR?
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post #4818 of 8171
8/17/12 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

Sorry for breaking up the debate but i just wanted to note here that Xmen FC killed my subs!!!!! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
what a workout they had, it was awesome.
P.S - i think it blew my mid and tweeter also.....dont know for sure and dont even know how is that even possible but i have to get a new mid/tweeter combo for my centre channel.

This is exactly why I do what I do. I want to be able to put in any movie, crank it to reference, and never worry something will break or miss any content. Call me crazy but I never worry about my equipment. I watched WOTW pod emerge and lightning strikes yesterday at 5 dBs over reference just to see. The subs were 10 dBs hot overall. I have everything EQ'd flat to 5hz as well. Let's just say I don't want to do that again, it was too loud and the pressure on my ears from the bass was almost painful. Guess what, all the gear was fine.
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post #4819 of 8171
8/17/12 at 11:28am
Maybe worse for wear though.
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post #4820 of 8171
8/17/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

Sorry for breaking up the debate but i just wanted to note here that Xmen FC killed my subs!!!!! eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif
what a workout they had, it was awesome.
P.S - i think it blew my mid and tweeter also.....dont know for sure and dont even know how is that even possible but i have to get a new mid/tweeter combo for my centre channel.

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Where did you have the volume set at on your AVR?

I'm curious too. What's the master volume on your AVR? Perhaps gotta check out this list of reference-level-tested speakers
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post #4821 of 8171
8/17/12 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

You guys love to argue semantics. When a truck goes by you hear it, no? After hearing it pass by you feel the vibration which is now the only thing happening. A very cool effect. I never had to explain everything in detail so much before. You really needed me to explain what I meant? ULF's to me are frequencies that one can not hear but feel. It depends on the spl's on whether one can hear them or not. When I felt those vibrations so I would assume they were under 20hz. I don't care if they were harmonics, 30hz, 10hz, or whatever, it was unfiltered live sound and real life effects which movies should have!
I understood EXACTLY what you meant. smile.gif Your "hear" the sonic stuff; you "feel" the infrasonic stuff. Of course, it takes a system capable of infrasonics to "feel" them

Craig
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post #4822 of 8171
8/17/12 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by markus767 View Post

If it's just about vibrations then bass shakers seem to be more practical and economical, no?
As I tried to explain once before, the sensations from a shaker, (i.e., tactile actuator), are different than the sensation of pressure from infrasonic acoustic SPL. In my system, I find that they compliment each other. However, if I were forced to make a decision based on "practical and economical" terms, I would chose the Crowson Tactile Actuator system over infrasonics, (for my basement, concrete floor.) Now, if I was on a suspended floor, then I would prioritize acoustic infrasonic SPL and let the floor provide the shaking.

Craig
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post #4823 of 8171
8/17/12 at 1:46pm
I'm sure it's on here but I can't find it. Does anyone have a waterfall chart of the machine gun/apartment scene in Live Free or Die Hard? That is still my favorite "show off the system" scene. It shakes me and the couch and the hotter you run the subs the more shake you get with no bloatiness or a feeling that the bass is too loud. Both my old captivators and my submersives sound (well, more feel than sound) great on this scene in my room.
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post #4824 of 8171
8/17/12 at 1:52pm
Someone should check Battleship DVD for ULF just for the heck of it.
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post #4825 of 8171
8/17/12 at 8:19pm
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Edited by myav6000 - 8/18/12 at 2:12am
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post #4826 of 8171
8/17/12 at 8:22pm
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I'm sure it's on here but I can't find it. Does anyone have a waterfall chart of the machine gun/apartment scene in Live Free or Die Hard? That is still my favorite "show off the system" scene. It shakes me and the couch and the hotter you run the subs the more shake you get with no bloatiness or a feeling that the bass is too loud. Both my old captivators and my submersives sound (well, more feel than sound) great on this scene in my room.

My speclab caps for DH4 here

Some gun shots extend really low.
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post #4827 of 8171
8/17/12 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by ken wu View Post

My speclab caps for DH4 here
Some gun shots extend really low.

Cool, thanks Ken. Wow, that makes sense that the Caps would be awesome - looks like a lot of bass right in the 20hz wheelhouse with the machine gun. I guess I'm a fan of ~ 20hz bass, I'm sure I'm not alone with that opinion. The Submersives love that scene too though, I would say it's about equal however the Caps were under powered with a ep4000.

The other scenes don't do it for me quite as much, because if you run the subs too hot the bass sounds too loud and out of balance. My ears have no limit on the machine gun no matter how hot the bass.
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post #4828 of 8171
8/17/12 at 9:27pm
Project X - finally got around to it. I'm thinking 4.5 stars.

Going to run Speclab tomorrow and see what's in there, but clearly somebody decided to run all the music through a bass synth. Everything bass in the music was shifted an octave down.
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post #4829 of 8171
8/17/12 at 11:03pm
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Someone should check Battleship DVD for ULF just for the heck of it.

It has none mate, look a few pages back....its been high pass filtered from 25-30hz pretty much. Sucks frown.gif
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post #4830 of 8171
8/18/12 at 7:18am
Waterfalls of Project X - music just before the flamethrower scene. Dolby Digital LFE track from the rental DVD processed via Hypercube, with 80Hz bass redirection. I think I'm just going to vote four stars on this one... it's almost got enough infra to give it the extra half star, but not quite. There's an awful lot around 20Hz for most of the movie, but only a few times does it get below that. Usually when the high level sub 20Hz stuff gets going my couch starts really shaking, and I never really got much of that this time.

The very first drum hits in the movie are down to 10Hz though... those woke me up fast.

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Edited by Oklahoma Wolf - 8/18/12 at 3:09pm
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