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When one uses two Audyssey measurement mic positions out of eight probably more than Super 8 sounds harsh.
post #5282 of 16113
Ok. Who has the Avengers in their bd player? Give up the goods!!!
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Ok. Who has the Avengers in their bd player? Give up the goods!!!

Tomorrow.
post #5284 of 16113
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Tomorrow.
I refuse to believe no one on this thread has a copy right now.
post #5285 of 16113
Well of course several do. I do.
post #5286 of 16113
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Well of course several do. I do.
Are we happy?
Edited by kemiza - 9/24/12 at 2:46pm
post #5287 of 16113
Have had Avengers for about 9 weeks already. If fact was just watching it before i logged in. Hooking up some more buddys with the Sammy BD players. Picked up 4 for about 30 bucks each "if you know what i mean".< evil grin> biggrin.gif

Eye candy BIG TIME! A fantastic transfer! Sound nice and punchy...a very fun movie..you will be playing the sucker time and time again...i have!
post #5288 of 16113
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

According to that graph above Super 8 train crash does contain single digit bass. I don't know, it was loud but not harsh in my theater. My theater is wall, ceiling, and bass treated with EQ. Do you guys have reflective rooms? I think I will throw this in tonight. What speakers are you guys using for this scene? Have you measured your responses up to 20khz? I have said this before we need to start showing our responses with compression sweeps and equipment information. We can have 3 sweeps from 10 dBs below reference, then 5 dBs and finally at reference. If your system is not compressing the THD is usually lower, this happens for my sub systems anyways. I know one says harsh and another says great, one says awesome bass and another says OK bass, we could actually find out why just from compression and response sweeps. It won't tell us everything but we could at least get an idea what each of us are listening to.

I agree 100%. I am clean at my listening levels and have come more accustomed to flat bass to ~14hz. The thing with this soundtrack that if running a level setup, the highs coverup some of the bass. Turning on a THX listening setting or something that rolls off the highs or running your subs hot makes this scene better for demos IMHO.
post #5289 of 16113
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Are we happy?

Have had for a few weeks. I was happy with it. Hope you are happy with it!
post #5290 of 16113
I am excited about Avengers and Prometheus. Been sort of a dry spell with recent releases...
post #5291 of 16113
I can only think of VERY, VERY few times/moments when I would describe the sound as harsh in my HT, but there were definitely harsh moments during that Super 8 train crash scene for me. In fact, I cant think of any other examples of harsh sound now that I think about it. I know there have been a few, but Super 8 is the only one that comes to mind right now. I thought the LFE served the scene well.......not underdone and not overdone IMO (I would not have objected to a bit more though). Overall a great demo scene IMO even with the slight bit of harshness (if anything, the bit of harshness made it a bit more realistic IMO as far as what I imagine that would sound like).
Edited by Toe - 9/24/12 at 4:23pm
post #5292 of 16113
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

According to that graph above Super 8 train crash does contain single digit bass. I don't know, it was loud but not harsh in my theater. My theater is wall, ceiling, and bass treated with EQ. Do you guys have reflective rooms? I think I will throw this in tonight. What speakers are you guys using for this scene? Have you measured your responses up to 20khz? I have said this before we need to start showing our responses with compression sweeps and equipment information. We can have 3 sweeps from 10 dBs below reference, then 5 dBs and finally at reference. If your system is not compressing the THD is usually lower, this happens for my sub systems anyways. I know one says harsh and another says great, one says awesome bass and another says OK bass, we could actually find out why just from compression and response sweeps. It won't tell us everything but we could at least get an idea what each of us are listening to.

That's a great idea. I always wonder if the folks who DON'T find the Super 8 train crash to be ear piercingly sharp have systems that give them all the high end this scene has.
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

When one uses two Audyssey measurement mic positions out of eight probably more than Super 8 sounds harsh.

Says the guy who has no clue how to measure his setup. I've measured mine for frequency response and power compression to THX Reference at my MLP and it was fine. Obviously you have no idea how to do this since you've never provided any information of any kind whatsoever. Just stupid one-liners.

Hmmm... good point. Gary J, don't bother responding. Adding you to my block list. Won't waste space seeing your pointless posts now.


Max
post #5293 of 16113
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

According to that graph above Super 8 train crash does contain single digit bass. I don't know, it was loud but not harsh in my theater. My theater is wall, ceiling, and bass treated with EQ. Do you guys have reflective rooms? I think I will throw this in tonight. What speakers are you guys using for this scene? Have you measured your responses up to 20khz? I have said this before we need to start showing our responses with compression sweeps and equipment information. We can have 3 sweeps from 10 dBs below reference, then 5 dBs and finally at reference. If your system is not compressing the THD is usually lower, this happens for my sub systems anyways. I know one says harsh and another says great, one says awesome bass and another says OK bass, we could actually find out why just from compression and response sweeps. It won't tell us everything but we could at least get an idea what each of us are listening to.

+1.

Unfortunately, I can only do -7dBRef, to 15-16Hz. Distortion limits me from going any louder without bad (to me) sounds. I think more than just a few folks here play their systems far beyond their (low distortion) limits. If you have 87dB 1W/1m mains and you are using an AVR to power them, and you sit 6 feet or more away, you are simply lying to yourself about reaching 'reference'.

With AVR power, you need at minimum 91dB sensitive speakers, and that's if you are gonna sit 6 feet away from them. There is no arguing the simple physical constraints of a modest home theater system. When I owned 87dB speakers, -15dBRef was all they would do before sounding bad.

Also, if you have two 12" subs in anything larger than a walk-in closet, you are likely not reaching reference without serious power demands, larger than are readily available in most consumer products. And you certainly are not doing it down to 10-15Hz with low (less than 5% THD) distortion.

I run 92dB LCR and 89dB surrounds, and -7dBRef is all they can manage. Granted, they can play louder, but then the words 'harsh', 'shrill', and 'fatiguing' come to mind,

My subs are 92dB each down to 22Hz with one watt, outdoors. They usually see no more than 100W each. My mains never see more than 15W, and the surrounds never more than 40W. When systems are run well within their limits, you get a superbly clean audio presentation. MK knows what this is like, running 100+dB mains, double stacked. I bet his mains never see more than 10W each, and he gets one of the cleanest presentations a Reference anywhere. Better than any commercial cinema, as they always seem to run at the ragged edge on louder passages. I need to check out the Academy Theater FilmMixer talks about.........

REW now does Distortion calculations in its sweeps in the new beta version. It is very handy to see how clean your system really is.

JSS
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I am guessing that my mains peak at about 4 watts each! My subs are not sensitive but there are 12 drivers boosting that sensitivity and watching my amp meters(if accurate) only uses 3000 watts flat to 4 hz at reference. Oh yeah, I have 500 watts RMS available with each speaker and 14000 watts with the subs. Trust me when I say this makes a huge difference in dynamics! I have never felt or heard this level of dynamics before. The down side is ultra revealing of OK recordings but great recordings are live! I have heard CD's sound awful and Dave Matthews concert sounds amazing. I watched both Avatar and battleship 5 dBs above reference and battleship sound great at times and just OK at times. Avatar sound much better overall but again at reference they both sound great. Battleships bass stinks, I am just talking vocals and sound effects. I did not get a chance to watch Super 8 tonight but I will tomorrow.
post #5295 of 16113
Today is the big day!! Waiting for feedback on the Avengers! I preordered from Amazon, so it will be a few days till I get mine.

I watched Rise of the Planet of the Apes last night. I would not say great Bass, but it had a pretty strong soundtrack and bass when needed I guess you could say.
Edited by Reefdvr27 - 9/25/12 at 5:49am
post #5296 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

When one uses two Audyssey measurement mic positions out of eight probably more than Super 8 sounds harsh.

I used all 8 and it was redic harsh
post #5297 of 16113
A screeching train wreck crash sounding harsh. Imagine that.
post #5298 of 16113
lol
post #5299 of 16113
Chillin at 9:56am waiting for BB to open to scoop up my copy of Avengers!

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A screeching train wreck crash sounding harsh. Imagine that.

Now THAT is a great comment biggrin.gif
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Score...

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Youre a sick man Pop! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

A screeching train wreck crash sounding harsh. Imagine that.

I get what your saying wink.gif but I love that scene and it doesn't sound "harsh". There is a difference between realistic train wreck screeching and harshness due to speaker distortion. smile.gif
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Well to comment to all the naysayers and yaysayers since my super 8 post. It was the first time i let reference rip in my ~2000³ listening space. Both subs right next to me in a corner while i sit on the near side on a sectional about 9' from my 51" plasma. I only have a 3.2 system running at the moment and my polks sit at the bottom side of wanna be audiophile but all i can say is it was a glorious moment in home theater history for me. My neighbor upstairs was probably killing zombies and hitting the bong but i can guarantee next time i see him he is gonna ask "was that really a train wreck going on in your living room?"

butter and jelly please.

Which subs are you using? I may have missed that part.

Hsu 2.3 and hsu 3.3. Both one port open.

butter and jelly please.
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Mine is on the UPS truck just miles from my home as I await the arrival eagerly. And since I got it from Amazon with my Prime Membership as a pre-order I am getting it for only 24.95 for the 4-disc 3D combo. I cannot wait!.
post #5306 of 16113
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A screeching train wreck crash sounding harsh. Imagine that.

Lol. Exactly what i was thinking.

butter and jelly please.
post #5307 of 16113
I got my Avengers 3D copy in my hot little hands !
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fyi target has the 3d edition for 19.99...lower than their advertised price
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

fyi target has the 3d edition for 19.99...lower than their advertised price

Confirmed! Picked mine up at opening. (Had to fight off 3 other nerds. They went down easy, though...) What a no-brainer! 3D version that includes the regular BD, DVD, Digital Copy and Exclusive content for $20!?!

Listened to the first 45min on my system (eD A7S-450 that's flat and only -3dB down at 10Hz in-room) and I thought the LFE was pretty darn good! Lots of nice interspersed moments (Loki/Tesseract transport, Helicarrier first lift-off, Thor/Iron Man fight culminating with Mjölnir on Cap's shield!)

Now, I'm sure the best is yet to come (don't ridicule me, I didn't see this in the theaters) but I won't know until tonight!
post #5310 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spankenstein View Post

Confirmed! Picked mine up at opening. (Had to fight off 3 other nerds. They went down easy, though...) What a no-brainer! 3D version that includes the regular BD, DVD, Digital Copy and Exclusive content for $20!?!
Listened to the first 45min on my system (eD A7S-450 that's flat and only -3dB down at 10Hz in-room) and I thought the LFE was pretty darn good! Lots of nice interspersed moments (Loki/Tesseract transport, Helicarrier first lift-off, Thor/Iron Man fight culminating with Mjölnir on Cap's shield!)
Now, I'm sure the best is yet to come (don't ridicule me, I didn't see this in the theaters) but I won't know until tonight!

WHAT U DIDNT SEE IT AT THE MOVIE THEATER, WHAT IS WRONG WITH U MAN.....biggrin.gif just kidding, hope u enjoy it. It is a great movie.
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