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post #5461 of 16212
Why are people having meltdowns over the ratings of a movie soundtrack that has limited infrasonics? The same posters say that the movie (Avengers) is a good movie, so what is the big deal?

Does anyone know if Obamacare covers therapy for "infrasonics addiction"?

Not sure if I even care about seeing the Avengers right now, but I may buy it later on after the price comes down.
post #5462 of 16212
Why are folks in a BASS in movies thread bothering about everything else about a movie besides the BASS?

You want to comment about how great a movie is? Go to the 'Subjective opinions of the AWESOMENESS of the latest thing I watched' thread.

This is a thread for bassheads. Non-basshead-subjective-opinion-wannabe-movie-reviewers, please reserve opinions about BASS discussion in a thread about BASS, or go elsewhere.


Max
post #5463 of 16212
Are you talking to me?



Anyhow, it looks like Ralph Potts is going to be on a small number of ignore lists. He rated the audio for the Avengers as 5 out of 5!


Avengers review here!
post #5464 of 16212
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Are you talking to me?Anyhow, it looks like Ralph Potts is going to be on a small number of ignore lists. He rated the audio for the Avengers as 5 out of 5!
Avengers review here!

Potts schmotts. It means nothing. Where's the graphs? We need graphs!
post #5465 of 16212
King P's reviews are exactly what I'll talking about, subjective reviews about the movie overall. He's not a basshead and his system doesn't have the capacity to plunge the depths. I take his reviews for what they're worth, pretty close to my preferences for movies in general, but yes, I noted his ratings for LFE for Avengers and am aware that folks who don't have systems that can go deep don't typically know what the difference is, or what they're missing.

Look at all the posts about WOTW from folks who've upgraded their subs. The typical person whose FR drops off below 20Hz generally goes, "Eh, whatever. I prefer these other scenes for bass demos", and when they FINALLY get something that can dig down to single digits, they go, "Holy SH##! NOW I see what all the fuss is about with that scene".

If folks want to discuss their opinions and the overall merits of movies in a general thread, sure, but this thread is specifically about the BASS content, in which case, why do people find it surprising that the discussion is focused SPECIFICALLY on the bass content, or lack thereof?

An analogous example would be a car forum I used to spend a lot of time on. There was a section for roadracing (roadracing = racing on roadcourse style racetracks eg. Road America, Virginia International Raceway, Infineon, etc.). Where we're all discussing performance mods and tire choices to reduce laptimes and some folks are providing telemetry, laptimes and data showing the results of changes, some folks want to bring up paintjobs and subjective opinions of how they thought the fartcan muffler felt like it made their Hon-duhh faster.

Those same folks would then turn around and wonder why the roadracers were so obsessed with the brake upgrades discussion, even with numerous telemetry and laptime measurements showing how much time could be cut off from laptimes with the right brake upgrades. When the data was pointed out, they would then talk about how great their gas mileage was and how reliable their cars are as grocery getters. That's great, discuss that all you want in the grocery getter/mommy mobile thread. Who cares about that in the roadracing thread?


Max
post #5466 of 16212
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Why are people having meltdowns over the ratings of a movie soundtrack that has limited infrasonics? The same posters say that the movie (Avengers) is a good movie, so what is the big deal?
Does anyone know if Obamacare covers therapy for "infrasonics addiction"?
Not sure if I even care about seeing the Avengers right now, but I may buy it later on after the price comes down.

So how hot would 30hz be relative to 80hz with a house curve watching Avengers?
post #5467 of 16212
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

King P's reviews are exactly what I'll talking about, subjective reviews about the movie overall. He's not a basshead and his system doesn't have the capacity to plunge the depths. I take his reviews for what they're worth, pretty close to my preferences for movies in general, but yes, I noted his ratings for LFE for Avengers and am aware that folks who don't have systems that can go deep don't typically know what the difference is, or what they're missing.
Look at all the posts about WOTW from folks who've upgraded their subs. The typical person whose FR drops off below 20Hz generally goes, "Eh, whatever. I prefer these other scenes for bass demos", and when they FINALLY get something that can dig down to single digits, they go, "Holy SH##! NOW I see what all the fuss is about with that scene".
If folks want to discuss their opinions and the overall merits of movies in a general thread, sure, but this thread is specifically about the BASS content, in which case, why do people find it surprising that the discussion is focused SPECIFICALLY on the bass content, or lack thereof?
An analogous example would be a car forum I used to spend a lot of time on. There was a section for roadracing (roadracing = racing on roadcourse style racetracks eg. Road America, Virginia International Raceway, Infineon, etc.). Where we're all discussing performance mods and tire choices to reduce laptimes and some folks are providing telemetry, laptimes and data showing the results of changes, some folks want to bring up paintjobs and subjective opinions of how they thought the fartcan muffler felt like it made their Hon-duhh faster.
Those same folks would then turn around and wonder why the roadracers were so obsessed with the brake upgrades discussion, even with numerous telemetry and laptime measurements showing how much time could be cut off from laptimes with the right brake upgrades. When the data was pointed out, they would then talk about how great their gas mileage was and how reliable their cars are as grocery getters. That's great, discuss that all you want in the grocery getter/mommy mobile thread. Who cares about that in the roadracing thread?
Max

+1 Some people throw a fit without seeing the response of a subwoofer in question, but to see the actual spectral content of a film, well thats just not important.

I enjoy Mr. Potts reviews. If he rates a movie 4 star or above I usually check it out. However I am not sure I have seen a frequency response of his MLP, and I don't recall seeing him post much in this bass dedicated thread. His subjective reviews of the movies are enjoyable, well written, and give great insight into the movie and its production value. But I don't take his bass ratings as be all end all. IMO
post #5468 of 16212

Just watched the Avengers. What a HUGE disappointment! I struggle giving it 3 stars, but I guess I will.

 

No pressure waves, no couch wobble, no weight in the room...reminded me of a video game. What a shame.

 

Enjoyed the movie, but it will never make a demo list....ever. When you compare TIH with this...Avengers is a joke. 

post #5469 of 16212
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Originally Posted by dominguez1 View Post

Just watched the Avengers. What a HUGE disappointment! I struggle giving it 3 stars, but I guess I will.

No pressure waves, no couch wobble, no weight in the room...reminded me of a video game. What a shame.

Enjoyed the movie, but it will never make a demo list....ever. When you compare TIH with this...Avengers is a joke. 

+1. I kept waiting for the big ULF hit, but it never came. It was like watching the film on TV. When compared to the outstanding imagery, the LF in that film was just poor. The sound team must know that they put out an inferior LF track, but who knows.....

Well, time to look forward to the next great use of LF. Maybe Looper? The next Star Trek? One thing I like about this thread is you can find films that surprise you, like Project X, Scott Pilgrim, and Hot Fuzz....

JSS
post #5470 of 16212
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

One thing I like about this thread is you can find films that surprise you, like Project X, Scott Pilgrim, and Hot Fuzz....

Cabin in the Woods... biggrin.gif
post #5471 of 16212
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Originally Posted by maxmercy View Post

+1. I kept waiting for the big ULF hit, but it never came. It was like watching the film on TV. When compared to the outstanding imagery, the LF in that film was just poor. The sound team must know that they put out an inferior LF track, but who knows.....
Well, time to look forward to the next great use of LF. Maybe Looper? The next Star Trek? One thing I like about this thread is you can find films that surprise you, like Project X, Scott Pilgrim, and Hot Fuzz....
JSS

I am hoping TDKR has the same or better track as TDK, that would make me happy. I just demoed WOTW, TRON, and ROTK and just smiled. I have been testing the new system and I had a friend come over who has heard everything(his favorite were JTR's with LLT's) and he looked at me and said WOW! What have you done! I laughed and said I saved money.
post #5472 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Cabin in the Woods... biggrin.gif

This was definitely a sleeper LFE hit for me as well. Love those!
post #5473 of 16212
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

King P's reviews are exactly what I'll talking about, subjective reviews about the movie overall. He's not a basshead and his system doesn't have the capacity to plunge the depths. I take his reviews for what they're worth, pretty close to my preferences for movies in general, but yes, I noted his ratings for LFE for Avengers and am aware that folks who don't have systems that can go deep don't typically know what the difference is, or what they're missing.
Look at all the posts about WOTW from folks who've upgraded their subs. The typical person whose FR drops off below 20Hz generally goes, "Eh, whatever. I prefer these other scenes for bass demos", and when they FINALLY get something that can dig down to single digits, they go, "Holy SH##! NOW I see what all the fuss is about with that scene".
If folks want to discuss their opinions and the overall merits of movies in a general thread, sure, but this thread is specifically about the BASS content, in which case, why do people find it surprising that the discussion is focused SPECIFICALLY on the bass content, or lack thereof?
An analogous example would be a car forum I used to spend a lot of time on. There was a section for roadracing (roadracing = racing on roadcourse style racetracks eg. Road America, Virginia International Raceway, Infineon, etc.). Where we're all discussing performance mods and tire choices to reduce laptimes and some folks are providing telemetry, laptimes and data showing the results of changes, some folks want to bring up paintjobs and subjective opinions of how they thought the fartcan muffler felt like it made their Hon-duhh faster.
Those same folks would then turn around and wonder why the roadracers were so obsessed with the brake upgrades discussion, even with numerous telemetry and laptime measurements showing how much time could be cut off from laptimes with the right brake upgrades. When the data was pointed out, they would then talk about how great their gas mileage was and how reliable their cars are as grocery getters. That's great, discuss that all you want in the grocery getter/mommy mobile thread. Who cares about that in the roadracing thread?
Max

What a top post and was going to write something similar but couldn't be bothered. It's a thread specific for bass, it's not a difficult concept to understand so graphs are most welcome and I find them very interesting. I'm in Australia and had the Avengers BD obviously earlier than the US folks here, and when I sat and listened to it I couldn't believe how disappointing it was when compared to many mentioned titles like TIH which is just awesome. Everything that required weight/presence had it in spades but Avengers just didn't have that, just nothing really memorable. Oh well it is what it is and we are stuck with it, unless of course the studio that did the mix hears us and brings out the non filtered version smile.gif. We can dream.
post #5474 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Luke Kamp View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

King P's reviews are exactly what I'll talking about, subjective reviews about the movie overall. He's not a basshead and his system doesn't have the capacity to plunge the depths. I take his reviews for what they're worth, pretty close to my preferences for movies in general, but yes, I noted his ratings for LFE for Avengers and am aware that folks who don't have systems that can go deep don't typically know what the difference is, or what they're missing.
Look at all the posts about WOTW from folks who've upgraded their subs. The typical person whose FR drops off below 20Hz generally goes, "Eh, whatever. I prefer these other scenes for bass demos", and when they FINALLY get something that can dig down to single digits, they go, "Holy SH##! NOW I see what all the fuss is about with that scene".
If folks want to discuss their opinions and the overall merits of movies in a general thread, sure, but this thread is specifically about the BASS content, in which case, why do people find it surprising that the discussion is focused SPECIFICALLY on the bass content, or lack thereof?
An analogous example would be a car forum I used to spend a lot of time on. There was a section for roadracing (roadracing = racing on roadcourse style racetracks eg. Road America, Virginia International Raceway, Infineon, etc.). Where we're all discussing performance mods and tire choices to reduce laptimes and some folks are providing telemetry, laptimes and data showing the results of changes, some folks want to bring up paintjobs and subjective opinions of how they thought the fartcan muffler felt like it made their Hon-duhh faster.
Those same folks would then turn around and wonder why the roadracers were so obsessed with the brake upgrades discussion, even with numerous telemetry and laptime measurements showing how much time could be cut off from laptimes with the right brake upgrades. When the data was pointed out, they would then talk about how great their gas mileage was and how reliable their cars are as grocery getters. That's great, discuss that all you want in the grocery getter/mommy mobile thread. Who cares about that in the roadracing thread?
Max

+1 Some people throw a fit without seeing the response of a subwoofer in question, but to see the actual spectral content of a film, well thats just not important.

I enjoy Mr. Potts reviews. If he rates a movie 4 star or above I usually check it out. However I am not sure I have seen a frequency response of his MLP, and I don't recall seeing him post much in this bass dedicated thread. His subjective reviews of the movies are enjoyable, well written, and give great insight into the movie and its production value. But I don't take his bass ratings as be all end all. IMO




The Avengers is rated at 4 1/2 stars on page 1 of this AVS thread:


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts



Four and half star

Blackhawk Down(blu-ray pcm track)
The Dark Knight
Domino
Finding Nemo
Hellboy II: The Golden Army
Horton Hears a Who!
Iron Man
Man on Fire
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Jurassic Park 3(dts dvd)
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World(dts dvd)
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
Sunshine
Superman Returns
Hulk (2003)
AVPR: Aliens vs Predator - Requiem
X-Men First Class
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
Iron Man 2
Conan the barbarian(2011)
Star Trek (2009)
Clash of the Titans(2010)
Five days of war(blu-ray)
U-571(dts)
Pearl Harbor(dts dir cut)
Immortals
Project X
Blue Crush(blu-ray)
The Avengers
post #5475 of 16212
Avengers ranked the same as XMFC? Who was smoking what when they put Avengers there?


Max
post #5476 of 16212
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 
Screener? Non US release? Illegal copy? Please specify. Occasionally, there are significant differences in the audio quality (especially the ULF extension) between regional releases.
If folks could clarify which release it is they're talking about, that would help eg. the folks who mentioned the Australian Avengers release, EU release, Asian release etc. In the case of Avengers of course, it didn't matter. The audio was neutered from the Master.
I wonder if folks with the inside track to get early screeners have ANY pull whatsoever to get the studios to add ULF extension? Most times, it seems it's just to have reviews drum up publicity.
Max

French Bluray with 7.1 HD audio. DTS MA I belive, but not sure.
post #5477 of 16212
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Avengers ranked the same as XMFC? Who was smoking what when they put Avengers there?
Max

Yeah, thats not right... Im downgrading Avengers to a 4.0.
post #5478 of 16212
agreed...not even close to TIH. that movie is #1 imho
post #5479 of 16212
Hmmm... never actually perused the entire list for movies below the 4.5 - 5 star ratings. Upon further inspection, it appears that the list is in fact, pretty subjective.

I suppose if Thor is a 4 star, then Avengers belongs in the same category. And yet, Super 8 is a 4 star, Battleship is a 3? I didn't think S8 really had anything better than Battleship. There's no way XMFC and A belong in the same classification though.

As for the rest of the movies on the list, I haven't seen many of them in a while. When I get my avr back from service, I'll have to watch quite a few of those just to refresh my memory. The only ones I routinely use these days are WOTW, Tron:Legacy, HTTYD and XMFC. I have WOTT, but haven't watched it enough times to remember where the particularly memorable scenes are. Need to get FOTP, KFP and TIH.


Max
post #5480 of 16212
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

The Avengers is rated at 4 1/2 stars on page 1 of this AVS thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts
Four and half star
Blackhawk Down(blu-ray pcm track)
The Dark Knight
Domino
Finding Nemo
Hellboy II: The Golden Army
Horton Hears a Who!
Iron Man
Man on Fire
Mr. & Mrs. Smith
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor
Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Jurassic Park 3(dts dvd)
Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World(dts dvd)
Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
Sunshine
Superman Returns
Hulk (2003)
AVPR: Aliens vs Predator - Requiem
X-Men First Class
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
Iron Man 2
Conan the barbarian(2011)
Star Trek (2009)
Clash of the Titans(2010)
Five days of war(blu-ray)
U-571(dts)
Pearl Harbor(dts dir cut)
Immortals
Project X
Blue Crush(blu-ray)
The Avengers

Everyone makes mistakes. The Dark Night had a much better bass mix than Avengers. There are quite a few others that were better as well on that 4.5 list. Why is it so hard to know that when something loud happens with the Avengers it is a 30-50hz blast. I have already said if someone likes 30-50hz bass better than they will like this movie but still not loud enough to be 4.5 stars.
post #5481 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Steveo1234 View Post

Yeah, thats not right... Im downgrading Avengers to a 4.0.

4.0 gets my vote as well for Avengers. Cabin in the Woods, 4.5.
post #5482 of 16212
Anyone have a speclab shot on the Dolby intro from The Art of Flight? Nothing ultra deep but great tactile energy (my hair literally moved on that one).
post #5483 of 16212
Click here for The Art of Flight trailer

The Audio: Rating the Sound


[NOTE: Before we start this portion of the review, I should openly say that the first time I heard this soundtrack, I was sitting in the Dolby Laboratories San Francisco headquarters theater, which easily puts every other surround sound environment I've ever heard to shame. Also, Dolby flew me up there, hosted a cocktail party, and then showed us the movie. However, I didn't expect the film to look and sound this amazing. Though my system can't compete with Dolby's, the audio experience is damn close.]

What a year. With 7.1 becoming more common in theatrical and Blu-ray catalog releases, we're living in the heyday of home cinema surround sound. It feels like the last few months have seen back to back reference surround sound tracks. Well, here's another for your listening pleasure. And let me say this, if anyone reading this is every making a film, and Dolby approaches you and says, "hey, we'd love to mix your film in 7.1 at Skywalker Sound." You must immediately shout, yes! Because that's what happened here.

'The Art of Flight' sounds brilliant in 7.1 Dolby TrueHD. It's not as technical as 'Transformers: Dark of the Moon', but it's an immersive, enveloping experience. Voice over and interviews are clear and well centered. Music, ranging from pop rock to orchestral dance remixes, is super wide, opening up not only the front channels, but sides and rears as well. LFE is killer, but not obtrusive. It fills the room with thudding helicopter blades and rumbling avalanches, supporting the action on screen and exploding when necessary. Sound effects are minimal and often second to the music, but they are exactly and discretely placed all around the listener as needed. Panning effects are not overused, but there are a number of nice moments where sounds arc in full 360-degree circles. This is a track I've heard a few times now, and I can't wait to listen to it again and show it off to friends and family.
post #5484 of 16212
Watched Red Lights this weekend, nice decent LFE (3.5 to 4) and sound effects.
post #5485 of 16212
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Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

What speakers/subwoofers/receiver do you have in your system?

Coolcat, I am sorry it has taken so long for me to respond to your inquiry, but it took me a while to re-locate this thread.redface.gif In any event, my speakers are Infinity Composition Preludes P-FR with its surrounds, my sub is a Velodyne HGS-18, and my processor is a newly acquired Bryston SP3 and all my connections are balanced XLR silver cables from bettercables.com. Again, I thought the bass in Avengers was excellent and it was referenced quality. By way of reference, I was at a friend's house watching the first 15 minutes of this movie, and due to his sub, I felt he was missing at least 60% of the low frequency material, and its bass was totally uninvolving. Again, the bass for Avengers warrants a 5 rather than 4.5.
post #5486 of 16212
Art of Flight is a great disc all around. Fascinating material even if you dont snowboard (if you do board though, it is even better biggrin.gif), surprisingly good audio and this is another that will take you by surprise with the low end, especially for a documentary (it cant compete with the better and best movie tracks of course, but still fantastic considering the material). PQ is demo worthy as well (JVC has been using this disc at the latest trade shows to show off their projectors). Well worth checking out for anyone who has not seen it.
post #5487 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Art of Flight is a great disc all around. Fascinating material even if you dont snowboard

+1
post #5488 of 16212
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Art of Flight is a great disc all around. Fascinating material even if you dont snowboard (if you do board though, it is even better biggrin.gif), surprisingly good audio and this is another that will take you by surprise with the low end, especially for a documentary (it cant compete with the better and best movie tracks of course, but still fantastic considering the material). PQ is demo worthy as well (JVC has been using this disc at the latest trade shows to show off their projectors). Well worth checking out for anyone who has not seen it.

+2
post #5489 of 16212
OK folks,

It seems obvious that Avengers was obviously a 5 star bass film, if not 5.5 star. Let's go back in the time machine and see what other films have been robbed of 5 star ratings:

Predator, obviously robbed of it just due, being given only 2 STARS!


Predator 2, obviously a case of GRAND LARCENY with its 3 star rating:


Predators, the newest film in the franchise, obviously slighted with 3 stars:


Deep Impact. A freakin' COMET STRIKES EARTH! WTF is up with only 2 STARS???? Where, I say, WHERE were all the Avenger Bass Defender Crew when this atrocity was committed?


Even further in the way back machine: Star Wars GOUT DVD release in Dolby 2.0:

Obviously 5-star material, if not 6. This should literally be off the scale. It was awesome. It was before HT subs existed!

And the worst case of 5-star injustice: I present to you, Resident Evil:Extinction:

We should be ASHAMED of ourselves, giving Milla Jovovich only 3 measly stars, with nary an argument. HOW CAN WE EVEN CALL OURSELVES HUMAN?

LFE Man, it is high f'in time we really took a look at all the ratings we have thrown about in cavalier fashion in this thread, basing them on actual LF content. WTF WERE WE THINKING? I'm so glad the patience of the subjective sages of this thread have finally led us to the beacon of light of that is 'awesome' vs 'suck'. I decree that all films should only receive 4, 4.5, or 5 star ratings (if not higher!) from now on, and that the first page of this thread is a sacrilegious mess that should either be torn down piece by piece or razed to the ground, and all charts deleted, or even better, BURNED. The charts have misled us so.........how can we ever repent in the face of a simple choice? Awesome = 5 star, Suck = 4 star, can't make up your mind? 4.5. Easy. Just watch Idiocracy. Good film (4-star bass by the current rating scheme that prevails here), and the parallels to this thread as it has evolved are peculiar.

JSS
Edited by maxmercy - 10/1/12 at 8:36pm
post #5490 of 16212
Curious if "The Hole" coming out tom has a decent LFE track. I watched an import of this a while back, but it was hard to judge since it was on a system I was not familiar with. Anyone watched this yet either import or the NA version which hits tom?
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