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post #5851 of 16121
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Originally Posted by quattroatl View Post

So I finally got a DTS DVD copy of The Haunting through fleabay. I remember watching the movie when it was first released way back when. My memory of the movie was that it was horrible in every way. Around the same time I watched House on Haunted Hill, which IMHO was a much better movie with pretty good discrete sound effects.
But holy cow!!!! I played the "creaking pipes" chapter 10 scene, and my heart jumped and skipped a beat like never before. I run dual Emotiva Ultra 12's, so I was fully made aware that I need some 15" or 18" monsters one day. The weak of heart should not watched this scene with big subs!!!
Just wow!

Yup. Pretty scary listening to it with my twins.
post #5852 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Check out Triangle for some FUN LFE and amazing surround work. LOTS of bass in this one and it seemed to dig pretty deep at times as well. Would be curious to see some charts of some of these moments. TOTAL mind **** of a movie to boot. I thought it was a very entertaining HT experience. cool.gif
What type of soundtrack was on that BD?? The ones I've seen listed online show it be 5.1DD.
post #5853 of 16121
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

What type of soundtrack was on that BD?? The ones I've seen listed online show it be 5.1DD.


I rented the blu from Netflix and it was TrueHD 5.1. smile.gif
post #5854 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I rented the blu from Netflix and it was TrueHD 5.1. smile.gif
Thanks! I'll double check things on-line and order one up soon. smile.gif
post #5855 of 16121
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Just saw the Dark Knight Rises at the IMAX in Montreal. This one has some serious bass and I'm really looking forward to the bluray.

Same here dude!!!! I watched it in IMAX and couldn't help but test out some of the bass on my system, so I went ahead and streamed a very bad quality version of it. Whilst watching the fight scene between Bane and Batman at the end, my sub got surged because its not working anymore wink.gif Luckily i still have warranty!smile.gif
post #5856 of 16121
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

Wrath Of The Titans!
This is a Five-0 bass flick. Massive amounts of bass throughout the movie.
For those with full bandwidth subs, beware your levels! This one comes out of the gate full-bore, but the effects levels increase with the intensity of the scenes.
I've been running my new system 5-6dB hot at reference level to test its minerals. Ha! Not too far into the movie I saw clip lights, so I punked it back to flat at reference level. The scene that clipped the amp is noted below and here are only 8 of the countless scenes in this movie that are LOADED with low end:
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This is the scene that clipped the system. Its also loaded with low end, but I isolated the effect that caused the clip at reference +5dB.
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I also liked the movie. The cast is as good as it gets, the action is non-stop and over-the-top, which is apropos to the subject. In any case, you want bass, this movie has it in full bandwidth glory. No frequency left on the table, so some huge bass for every sub owner.

I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just watched this at 0, (full Reference Level). The bass was so intense, I was afraid to go louder. eek.gif

There were a few scenes where I could "feel" the bass in the room, (and through my Crowson transducers), but I could not "hear" any bass... ALL the bass was infrasonic. eek.gif

My room started making noises... mechanical vibrations... that I've never heard before.

This was the most incredible bass experience I've had since I've owned my 3 Submersive HP's.

For anyone with high output, infrasonic capability, this one is HIGHLY recommended. biggrin.gif

Craig
post #5857 of 16121
Craig and Bosso-

I have the movie, can you let me in on the best scenes (time stamps) for our HT tour tomorrow? If so I'll throw make a cut of them and throw them in the mix.
post #5858 of 16121
The scene where they visit Hepaestus (pure ULF without being masked by midbass), the scenes in tartarus and the final battle.. they come to mind.
post #5859 of 16121
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Originally Posted by TimVG View Post

The scene where they visit Hepaestus (pure ULF without being masked by midbass), the scenes in tartarus and the final battle.. they come to mind.

Thanks!
post #5860 of 16121
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I know I'm a little late to the party, but I just watched this at 0, (full Reference Level). The bass was so intense, I was afraid to go louder. eek.gif
There were a few scenes where I could "feel" the bass in the room, (and through my Crowson transducers), but I could not "hear" any bass... ALL the bass was infrasonic. eek.gif
My room started making noises... mechanical vibrations... that I've never heard before.
This was the most incredible bass experience I've had since I've owned my 3 Submersive HP's.
For anyone with high output, infrasonic capability, this one is HIGHLY recommended. biggrin.gif
Craig
Dammit, Craig. Now I have to leave the house today to go get this.
post #5861 of 16121
After finding it out for rental every single time I've been to the store for weeks, I finally got my hands on Avengers this evening.

Absolutely fantastic LFE... for 1995. No need for the tapped horns on this one, my old speakers would have done the job. The ones I had in 1995.

Battleship and 2012 were still more disappointing, so I'll go 3.5 stars on this one. I remember Thor being better. I'm not even sure this one beats the likes of older movies like Daylight and the Frighteners.

Fun movie though. I'm still putting it on my shopping list.
post #5862 of 16121
Watched Prometheus last night and was impressed with the LFE.
post #5863 of 16121
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Originally Posted by -RONIN- View Post

Watched Prometheus last night and was impressed with the LFE.

Also watched it last night. The sound track was crazy good but the ending was like, "Seriously!" The music track during the credits was terribly mastered, was screechy and had to be turned down. Plot wise I was expecting something wonderful for an ending and instead I got trite. Great sound track, great to okay plot line, fantastic sets but the ending had to of been contrived at the last second of the shoot because they didn't know where to go with the ending. The director should have left the ending with the ship taking off to the stars and cut the last, contrived scene. My reaction was, did they really do that?

"Gee, I don't know how to end this great movie."

After ten tequila shooters.

.................eek.gif

"Eureka! We'll add this last scene and ruin a perfectly fine movie ending."
post #5864 of 16121
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Dammit, Craig. Now I have to leave the house today to go get this.

I hope you found the movie... and that you get some treatment for that agoraphobia. biggrin.gif

Craig
post #5865 of 16121
Fire With Fire - 4.5 Stars. 32 Hz base content so less capable subs can get some love, but tons of unfiltered, driving, ULF. Measured down to 5 Hz at my LP (which is as low as the RTA on REW goes). Definitely audition material.
post #5866 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Check out Triangle for some FUN LFE and amazing surround work. LOTS of bass in this one and it seemed to dig pretty deep at times as well. Would be curious to see some charts of some of these moments. TOTAL mind **** of a movie to boot. I thought it was a very entertaining HT experience. cool.gif

+1

Watched it last night... loaded with bass!
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post #5868 of 16121
No. He rated the soundtrack as a whole a perfect 5.

This thread is about LFE. Reviewers don't rate a soundtrack on that alone.
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

No. He rated the soundtrack as a whole a perfect 5.

This thread is about LFE. Reviewers don't rate a soundtrack on that alone.
Actually, Ralph DOES have segmented ratings, including one specifically for LFE, BUT as with regular reviewers and normal folks, he isn't a basshead. His system lists a SVS PB-13 Ultra. Avatar is another one that doesn't have any real ULF. Although the soundtrack overall is pretty good, it could have been so much better, just like Avengers.


Max
post #5870 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Actually, Ralph DOES have segmented ratings, including one specifically for LFE, BUT as with regular reviewers and normal folks, he isn't a basshead. His system lists a SVS PB-13 Ultra. Avatar is another one that doesn't have any real ULF. Although the soundtrack overall is pretty good, it could have been so much better, just like Avengers.
Max

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post #5871 of 16121
Agree on Wrath. It does have some killer bass. I may have to spin that one again after I get a chance to watch Prometheus first. But I do remember being impressed with Wrath.
post #5872 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Actually, Ralph DOES have segmented ratings, including one specifically for LFE, BUT as with regular reviewers and normal folks, he isn't a basshead. His system lists a SVS PB-13 Ultra. Avatar is another one that doesn't have any real ULF. Although the soundtrack overall is pretty good, it could have been so much better, just like Avengers.
Max

Okay, I'm a bit confused by the highlighted words above. You say Ralph isn't a basshead and it seems your assumption is based on the fact that "his system lists a SVS PB-13 Ultra." Do you actually consider the SVS PB-13 Ultra sub to be an inferior sub, or one that a "non-basshead" would have in their system? If so, I would take serious issue with that conclusion. The SVS PB-13 Ultra may not reach deep into single digits but it is the flagship sub of SVS that boasts an amp with 1,000 watts continuous (3600 watts peak) that weighs in at 155 lbs and costs 2k. I've read the reviews from owners of that sub and they no NOT sound like "normal folk" to me, but people who truly appreciate deep and accurate bass. Those who aren't "bassheads" would never even consider dishing out that kind of money for a sub, nor would they even have knowledge of a company like SVS that only sells their subs directly through their website.
post #5873 of 16121
^^ Plus people continue to confuse good bass with ULF. Avatar and Avengers are listed as 4 and 4 1/2 stars. You do not see the terms basshead and ULF in the title of this thread and you do not need super duper subs to identify and appreciate good bass movies.
Edited by Gary J - 11/1/12 at 4:07pm
post #5874 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Actually, Ralph DOES have segmented ratings, including one specifically for LFE, BUT as with regular reviewers and normal folks, he isn't a basshead. His system lists a SVS PB-13 Ultra. Avatar is another one that doesn't have any real ULF. Although the soundtrack overall is pretty good, it could have been so much better, just like Avengers.
Max

Okay, I'm a bit confused by the highlighted words above. You say Ralph isn't a basshead and it seems your assumption is based on the fact that "his system lists a SVS PB-13 Ultra." Do you actually consider the SVS PB-13 Ultra sub to be an inferior sub, or one that a "non-basshead" would have in their system? If so, I would take serious issue with that conclusion. The SVS PB-13 Ultra may not reach deep into single digits but it is the flagship sub of SVS that boasts an amp with 1,000 watts continuous (3600 watts peak) that weighs in at 155 lbs and costs 2k. I've read the reviews from owners of that sub and they no NOT sound like "normal folk" to me, but people who truly appreciate deep and accurate bass. Those who aren't "bassheads" would never even consider dishing out that kind of money for a sub, nor would they even have knowledge of a company like SVS that only sells their subs directly through their website.
I wouldn't call the SVS PB13 Ultra an inferior sub, but it's not in the same league as subs like the Seaton Submersive HPs and JTR Captivators, or DIY LMS Ultra 5400 (and this is the opinion of SVS PB13 Ultra owners, some who have made the upgrade to some of these other subs, and others who own the SVS's, but have heard the others in shootouts). In addition, bassheads tend to use multi-sub setups to even out the in-room FR, AND to ensure they aren't running out of headroom and into output limits/clipping.

There is a difference between normal folks who have a decent subwoofer because they want good overall sound, and bassheads who are interested in getting the most that they can out of the lower octaves. Since this is a thread specifically about Bass, one would assume that it's more for the bassheads than the average Joe.

In some previous posts, I used automotive analogies. Someone in roadracing is going to be concerned about acceleration, handling and braking performance at the limit (among other things like safety). The performance criteria specifically related to that activity. They don't care about how much you can haul in the vehicle, how comfortable it is while highway cruising from Seattle to Orlando, or how great the gas mileage is. How easily you can fit 7 kids into it to take to the soccer game etc. To the average Joe, a Porsche Cayenne S is a FAST vehicle (and for an SUV, it certainly is, but you're not going to find roadracers raving about its performance on a race course).

Likewise, the soundtracks for movies like Avatar and Avengers are quite good and even excellent to the average Joe, but to a basshead, they could have been so much better. It's like a manufacturer making a car with a really high top speed, but rolls like a boat in the turns. Some folks don't care, the straight line speed is good enough for them to get excited about, but to a roadracer, the car could have been so much more if the manufacturer had rounded it out with handling to match.

Some of these movies have pretty good soundtracks, but they could have been so much better if they had fully fleshed out the audio, and the thing is, there are many examples of movies that take full advantage of this (and in the case of Avengers, other movies within the same franchise), for big budget productions to drop the ball.


Max
post #5875 of 16121
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Originally Posted by Gary J View Post

^^ Plus people continue to confuse good bass with ULF. Avatar and Avengers are listed as 4 and 4 1/2 stars. You do not see the terms basshead and ULF in the title of this thread and you do not need super duper subs to identify and appreciate good bass movies.

Ditto!
post #5876 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

I wouldn't call the SVS PB13 Ultra an inferior sub, but it's not in the same league as subs like the Seaton Submersive HPs and JTR Captivators, or DIY LMS Ultra 5400 (and this is the opinion of SVS PB13 Ultra owners, some who have made the upgrade to some of these other subs, and others who own the SVS's, but have heard the others in shootouts). In addition, bassheads tend to use multi-sub setups to even out the in-room FR, AND to ensure they aren't running out of headroom and into output limits/clipping.
There is a difference between normal folks who have a decent subwoofer because they want good overall sound, and bassheads who are interested in getting the most that they can out of the lower octaves. Since this is a thread specifically about Bass, one would assume that it's more for the bassheads than the average Joe.
In some previous posts, I used automotive analogies. Someone in roadracing is going to be concerned about acceleration, handling and braking performance at the limit (among other things like safety). The performance criteria specifically related to that activity. They don't care about how much you can haul in the vehicle, how comfortable it is while highway cruising from Seattle to Orlando, or how great the gas mileage is. How easily you can fit 7 kids into it to take to the soccer game etc. To the average Joe, a Porsche Cayenne S is a FAST vehicle (and for an SUV, it certainly is, but you're not going to find roadracers raving about its performance on a race course).
Likewise, the soundtracks for movies like Avatar and Avengers are quite good and even excellent to the average Joe, but to a basshead, they could have been so much better. It's like a manufacturer making a car with a really high top speed, but rolls like a boat in the turns. Some folks don't care, the straight line speed is good enough for them to get excited about, but to a roadracer, the car could have been so much more if the manufacturer had rounded it out with handling to match.
Some of these movies have pretty good soundtracks, but they could have been so much better if they had fully fleshed out the audio, and the thing is, there are many examples of movies that take full advantage of this (and in the case of Avengers, other movies within the same franchise), for big budget productions to drop the ball.
Max
Ditto!
post #5877 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

I wouldn't call the SVS PB13 Ultra an inferior sub, but it's not in the same league as subs like the Seaton Submersive HPs and JTR Captivators, or DIY LMS Ultra 5400 (and this is the opinion of SVS PB13 Ultra owners, some who have made the upgrade to some of these other subs, and others who own the SVS's, but have heard the others in shootouts). In addition, bassheads tend to use multi-sub setups to even out the in-room FR, AND to ensure they aren't running out of headroom and into output limits/clipping.
There is a difference between normal folks who have a decent subwoofer because they want good overall sound, and bassheads who are interested in getting the most that they can out of the lower octaves. Since this is a thread specifically about Bass, one would assume that it's more for the bassheads than the average Joe.
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Ditto!

Do you realize how condescending your words are? Do you realize that you are implying that unless one has a sub (or multi-subs!) capable of reaching into the very lowest octave, they are not really bass-lovers? In fact, your words are even more far-reaching than that, for they imply that unless you have such a sub (or subs) you really aren't qualified to appreciate and evaluate bass in movies and post on this thread? That is indeed the way you come across to me and I dare say others may have the same opinion as I do. Granted, unless you use a sub capable of reaching into single digits you can't hardly experience and comment on a movie that does go that low, but there are PLENTY of movies with good bass above the lowest octave and thus many members are more than qualifed to give their opinions on their listening experiences. I have been following this thread for awhile and when The Avengers was being discussed there were posts that became quite nasty and some were coming across as *elitists*. I'm sorry to say but your words are reflecting the same pride that I observed in their posts.

Let me add that I have been a consistent participant in the "Blu-ray PQ Thread" for many years and I have never witnessed people on that thread *bragging* about the equipment they have, nor have we ever implied that unless you have the BEST FLAT PANEL or the BEST PROJECTOR you really can't appreciate the high definition resolution seen in Blu-rays (nor have we ever implied that you must have the highest-end panels or projectors to give reviews on that thread). In saying this, you will see that I have been blessed with one of the best flat panels ever made (i.e. Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO-151), but I have NEVER suggested that others, who do not own a KURO or similar display, do not really appreciate PQ as much as I do. Other AVS members can still love, enjoy, and review Blu-rays and their opinion counts even if their flat panel or projector would fall into the "entry level" category. We DO ask members to list the equipment (and viewing distance) they use so others have a "point of reference to follow," but none are made to feel their opinion doesn't really count unless they have the very best HD display. I wish I could say the same of this thread.
Edited by djoberg - 11/1/12 at 7:00pm
post #5878 of 16121
Wow - rough stuff here.
I am ULF limited (16hz ), and I don't understand the last post. One should keep the title of the thread in mind.
post #5879 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Let me add that I have been a consistent participant in the "Blu-ray PQ Thread" for many years and I have never witnessed people on that thread *bragging* about the equipment they have, nor have we ever implied that unless you have the BEST FLAT PANEL or the BEST PROJECTOR you really can't appreciate the high definition resolution seen in Blu-rays (nor have we ever implied that you must have the highest-end panels or projectors to give reviews on that thread). In saying this, you will see that I have been blessed with one of the best flat panels ever made (i.e. Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO-151), but I have NEVER suggested that others, who do not own a KURO or similar display, do not really appreciate PQ as much as I do. Other AVS members can still love, enjoy, and review Blu-rays and their opinion counts even if their flat panel or projector would fall into the "entry level" category. We DO ask members to list the equipment (and viewing distance) they use so others have a "point of reference to follow," but none are made to feel their opinion doesn't really count unless they have the very best HD display. I wish I could say the same of this thread.


Don't want to get in the middle of this, but I feel relating PQ to audio is a big apples to oranges type of comparison. I only say this as home theatre audio can be distinctly measured and calibrated to reference level. While the same can (sort of) be said with regard to picture quality and gamma curves, greyscale, etc... it is a different beast in the audio realm. No amount of tinkering and adjusting can get a lesser audio system to reference levels cleanly.

In order to hit reference specs the LFE channel needs to be able to handle upwards and beyond 115 dB at the listening position through its bandwidth, well down into the single digits. This is something the SVS cannot achieve alone in a normal listening environment. Not very many commercial subs can. I may be mistaken, but I feel like this is the point being made by those calling out the PB13. It's no doubt a great sub, and one of the better commercial offerings, but a single PB13 won't handle clean reference levels through the entire LFE bandwidth.
post #5880 of 16121
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

Do you realize how condescending your words are? Do you realize that you are implying that unless one has a sub (or multi-subs!) capable of reaching into the very lowest octave, they are not really bass-lovers? In fact, your words are even more far-reaching than that, for they imply that unless you have such a sub (or subs) you really aren't qualified to appreciate and evaluate bass in movies and post on this thread? That is indeed the way you come across to me and I dare say others may have the same opinion as I do. Granted, unless you use a sub capable of reaching into single digits you can't hardly experience and comment on a movie that does go that low, but there are PLENTY of movies with good bass above the lowest octave and thus many members are more than qualifed to give their opinions on their listening experiences. I have been following this thread for awhile and when The Avengers was being discussed there were posts that became quite nasty and some were coming across as *elitists*. I'm sorry to say but your words are reflecting the same pride that I observed in their posts.
Let me add that I have been a consistent participant in the "Blu-ray PQ Thread" for many years and I have never witnessed people on that thread *bragging* about the equipment they have, nor have we ever implied that unless you have the BEST FLAT PANEL or the BEST PROJECTOR you really can't appreciate the high definition resolution seen in Blu-rays (nor have we ever implied that you must have the highest-end panels or projectors to give reviews on that thread). In saying this, you will see that I have been blessed with one of the best flat panels ever made (i.e. Pioneer Kuro Elite PRO-151), but I have NEVER suggested that others, who do not own a KURO or similar display, do not really appreciate PQ as much as I do. Other AVS members can still love, enjoy, and review Blu-rays and their opinion counts even if their flat panel or projector would fall into the "entry level" category. We DO ask members to list the equipment (and viewing distance) they use so others have a "point of reference to follow," but none are made to feel their opinion doesn't really count unless they have the very best HD display. I wish I could say the same of this thread.
I am not trying to be elitist or condescending, (and if I come off that way, I apologize)... but have you ever experienced a system capable of high level infrasonics? It's a whole different experience than a system that is limited to 20 Hz, or even 16 Hz. There are 2 whole octaves from 20 Hz to 5 Hz. That's like the 2-octave difference between 20 Hz extension and 80 Hz extension.... it is literally that big of a difference. It may be "inaudible", but the sensory input you get is very palpable and very "real."

For those of us who have infrasonic capable systems, movies that "could have had" infrasonics... and don't... are a major disappointment. We can understand that they may "sound" just fine on ULF-limited systems, and they also "sound" just fine on our systems. But they don't "feel" as good as they should have. I, and others, have invested a lot in our ULF-capable systems. We just want the content to be able to take advantage of our investments. It is very disappointing when a movie that should have had deep ULF's, doesn't get it, especially when it comes from a movie house that has done spectacular ULF movies in the past.

Please feel free to enjoy The Avengers. I actually liked the movie. Nonetheless, I was disappointed by the "bass". It could have "felt" so much better.

Craig
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