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post #6181 of 16093
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

Excellent!!
Curious what is the volume/dimensions of your room?

The apartment is very open so it is hard to determine the exact size of the listening area. But it is about 4*5m and 2.6m high. Plenty of places for the bass to escape to other parts of the apartment but that is not an issue with these beasts... Hope to be able to contribute more in this thread now that I have a LF/ULF capable system.

Regards
Jacob
post #6182 of 16093
All of you people with your Reference @ 5Hz systems are making me extremely jealous tongue.gifbiggrin.gif
post #6183 of 16093
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

+1
Especially with a movie like Spiderman where the ULF is there, just not "HOT". I got a chance to re-watch some scenes at 5db's over reference, it was fun. cool.gif

Man I wish I could watch stuff at Reference Level, it's just too loud though for an apartment. Loudest I can go is usually -20db to -18db under reference. I tried once at -10db and got complaints from my neighbors. frown.gif
post #6184 of 16093
One day after I went "ULF" (got two PB13s). And I am shocked how much I have missed.

Watched the beginning of Unbreakable again. In one word: shocking... Perfect example when the really low stuff can help tell the story. The second train passing was something I had not prepared myself for... Not my concrete walls either.

A movie with stunning sound track but very very little LFE (I thought) is Amazing Spiderman. With my previous subwoofer system. Now I can say that it is completely wrong and it has a few scenes with incredible weight. But not so much in the 30hz region where my old subwoofer played with good strength.

One movie that I thought had great low end with my previous system was Avengers. Now it sounds even better, but I can confirm what people has written in this thread. Not much below 20hz here...

Prometheus had some nice moments in the beginning and when the big ship is hit in the kamikaze attack.

This is so much more fun than I ever could have imagined...
post #6185 of 16093
+1 ^^^
post #6186 of 16093
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Originally Posted by ja.jo View Post

Just installed two SVS PB13-Ultra (15hz tune) in my theatre to help my poor Linn Klimax 345 with the deepest LFE.
Holy crap. The end of Amazing Spiderman puts a pressure in my room that is almost, uncomfortable...
Incredible sound track and superb subwoofers, indeed.
/ j

Can you give me a scene/time that did that? I'm still rather perplexed about spiderman, it was very unimpressive to me ULF wise. I played the scene where Lizard is in the school attacking peter, then went back and played UWA and TIH and it was just no comparison.

...

Okay I went back and watched the last 15 minutes at reference level. There is definitively ULF there, its just not as intense as other movies. When the tower fell, I could feel the pressure but again I just don't think its as impressive as many other movies. I'll move up 3.5/5
Edited by fecund - 11/22/12 at 3:17pm
post #6187 of 16093
I think your problem is your looking for bass in places you think it should be (ie explosions crashes etc). In this movie it is in other types of places. The best screen is when he is sleeping on the subway and the end scene right before the credits where he is swinging through the streets

Ulf when there is no other bass going on. Super impressive
post #6188 of 16093

Here's a time stamp to check...

 

Right at the end, specifically the slow motion part of the pre-flight sequence before going through the streets at 2:07:22 to 2:07:30

there's a very low ULF moment. The sound/feel resembles a slow speed helicopter blade thud  thud  thud , that had my Big 15" near field Velo pulsing pretty good

 

I snapped a quick shot of my plasma screen along with my SPL reading/ time stamp info

3 Velodyne Sub's set at mid volume, AVR sub level at +3 hot, AVR (Yamaha RX-V3900) set at level 0

 

1000

 

sorry for the low quality image, didn't have time to fire up the projector for this shot

post #6189 of 16093
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

I think your problem is your looking for bass in places you think it should be (ie explosions crashes etc).

I must admit that I am also guilty of this...
post #6190 of 16093
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Originally Posted by fecund View Post

Can you give me a scene/time that did that? I'm still rather perplexed about spiderman, it was very unimpressive to me ULF wise. I played the scene where Lizard is in the school attacking peter, then went back and played UWA and TIH and it was just no comparison.
...
Okay I went back and watched the last 15 minutes at reference level. There is definitively ULF there, its just not as intense as other movies. When the tower fell, I could feel the pressure but again I just don't think its as impressive as many other movies. I'll move up 3.5/5

The scene I am talking about is in the very end, just seconds from the end credits. When he is swinging in slow motion.

/ j
post #6191 of 16093
Dark knight rises.
Not sure how to rate it. Couldnt stand louder than -11db. Not sure if it was because the rest of the audio was a bit harsh or if I was just tired.
Anyways, I rate it a weakish 4.5.
post #6192 of 16093
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Originally Posted by PioManiac View Post

Here's a time stamp to check...

Right at the end, specifically the slow motion part of the pre-flight sequence before going through the streets at 2:07:22 to 2:07:30
there's a very low ULF moment. The sound/feel resembles a slow speed helicopter blade thud  thud  thud , that had my Big 15" near field Velo pulsing pretty good

I snapped a quick shot of my plasma screen along with my SPL reading/ time stamp info
3 Velodyne Sub's set at mid volume, AVR sub level at +3 hot, AVR (Yamaha RX-V3900) set at level 0


sorry for the low quality image, didn't have time to fire up the projector for this shot

Yeah I didn't think much of it the first time I saw it, I remember the matrix type woosh but I went back and watched that scene and yeah there is definitely a good push in the room. I took my meter out and got 110dB (-2 LFE, -3 Sub) @ level 0 (Please no SPL wars just sharing in kind)

As another poster mentioned I went back and watched the subway scene too, I think that showed off the ULF even better.

I think the thing about spiderman maybe the ULF isn't sustained like a movie such as TWotT or Underworld, so it caused me to under-estimate it a bit. Moving it up to 4/5
post #6193 of 16093
^^^Except Underworld doesn't have much ULF. It's a bass monster and has very loud bass, but it's mostly centered at 30 Hz. Not a ton of content sub-20. See post #3721. That's what I meant when I said earlier that Spider-Man suffers because it doesn't have that strong content higher up where it "sounds" loud. But ULF-wise, there's no contest between Spider-Man and Underworld.
post #6194 of 16093

I think because the ULF/LFE cutoff is almost like a wall at the 30Hz mark

You need to play Spider-man a little hotter than most movies to really feel the hidden little sub 20Hz ULF gems.

it's almost like an easter egg

 

Spider_Man_ch16.jpg

 

Someone will surely correct me if I'm mistaken

But I think running your avr AND your Sub(s) +3 to +5 hotter is required with some systems

because it takes more power to bring out the impact of <20Hz sound waves when they are not accompanied by the usual audible >30Hz content.
 

post #6195 of 16093
Anyone tested the lotr two towers? havent seen a graph for that..so many thumper moments but i just finished the two towers extended version ($7 out of pocket expense for the trio set biggrin.gif) but yeah the first time they show the wraith flying over the dead marshes..that first wraith wing flap..my couch literally lifted i swear!! Insane!! And also when treebeard is walking and talking to pip and merry..his foot stomps give a nice low thud for the duration of the scene.

But man that first wraith wing flap has gotta be in the 20s at least! It seems to sweep under you and go across the room from the front end to the back..its awesome how that scene plays!
Edited by Sousa86 - 11/23/12 at 1:55pm
post #6196 of 16093
Abraham Lincoln:vampire hunter. DEFINATLY a 4 star. Great 3d too
post #6197 of 16093
Watched two favorites - Thor and X-men: First Class. Both movies are full with superb ULF. Memorable moments are when Eric (Magneto) in the french bank and when he goes to Argentina (Villa Gasell). The end scene in the submarine is amazing too. My copy of Thor is mixed too hot and it is clearly distorted at times. But basically all scenes with the hammer (when people try to lift it) and the end fight scene between Thor and Loke are very memorable indeed...

Both are recommended...

/ j
post #6198 of 16093
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Originally Posted by Sousa86 View Post

Anyone tested the lotr two towers? havent seen a graph for that..so many thumper moments but i just finished the two towers extended version ($7 out of pocket expense for the trio set biggrin.gif) but yeah the first time they show the wraith flying over the dead marshes..that first wraith wing flap..my couch literally lifted i swear!! Insane!! And also when treebeard is walking and talking to pip and merry..his foot stomps give a nice low thud for the duration of the scene.
But man that first wraith wing flap has gotta be in the 20s at least! It seems to sweep under you and go across the room from the front end to the back..its awesome how that scene plays!
Scroll down to post #257: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/130032/frequency-waterfall-charts-of-a-few-familiar-favourites/240
post #6199 of 16093
Checked out Triangle this afternoon... wow some great LFE in this. Too many scenes to grab really, the movie is just full of bass! The movie looks to be filtered at ~10Hz, so those of you that can really dig deep might find it slightly lacking in the lowest octave. Still the movie is a monster between 10Hz to 20Hz, so I'd vote for 4.5 stars here. The movie is also really damn good for those that like Sci-fi Thrillers.







http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Triangle/70118364
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1187064/

[Edit]
Opps, looks like I made a mistake when I had captured this the first time. I had bass boost @ 30Hz turned on my soundcard. The new images I just uploaded are with that turned off.
Edited by Shadowdane - 11/24/12 at 4:59pm
post #6200 of 16093
Good to see the graphs confirm my subjective impressions of Triangle when I watched it last month. Great LFE track!
post #6201 of 16093
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Good to see the graphs confirm my subjective impressions of Triangle when I watched it last month. Great LFE track!

Yah it was a great LFE movie and a good movie too, will have to add this one to the Xmas list.
post #6202 of 16093
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

S_rangeBrew:
Off the top of my head, you'll also see very similar effects in these places:
TRON:Legacy: 2 seconds after the laser zaps him from the arcade into the grid. (7hz, iirc)
How To Train Your Dragon: when the big dragon crashes to the ground in the final fight. (3hz)
Black Hawk Down: just a few seconds after the pilot says "F'ing Irene!!!" there are chopper blade effects, albeit only for a few seconds. (7hz pulses, iirc)
Master & Commander (DVD DTS track, NOT BLURAY!): the first fight, eight min. into the movie, cannon fire sequences have effects like this, although not the first volley. Many of the 2nd volley where you see the cannons being shot and recoiling contain such effects, the same with the ship-to-ship volleys. The DVD DTS-ES track has these, but the bluray is filtered and doesn't have nearly the weight of real cannon fire like the DVD track. (Various frequencies, dipping down to 5hz and possibly lower)
Kung Fu Panda: the final battle's skadoosh scene, while not especially low, will move those drivers A LOT! (Centered around 18 or 20hz, but a hot enough effect that it will induce lots of throw.)
War of the Worlds: The typical demo scene isn't as impressive as some of the others for watching your drivers go crazy. The lightning before the "pods emerge" scene is spectacular, with I think 3hz or 7hz or something. The plane crash after is also good.
Many, many more that I'm forgetting. You can find them pretty much all spelled out in this thread:
The late kryptonitewhite's "Top 5Hz-15Hz BluRey Movies" thread from the DIY forum here.

Just rewatched Tron Legacy and that laser scene into the grid is very ,very potent but overall the movie LFE is just plain fun!! I have not looked at Black Hawk Down or How to train your dragon for awhile so may have to look at those again soon.
post #6203 of 16093
So is a single Hsu 15h going to be able to adequately show off ULF or is it room dependent?
post #6204 of 16093
I would like to hear this answer as well, being I have a vtf15 as well. I have moments where I feel like I could be lacking, or it could be the fact this is really the first HT sub I have really listened to. I'm not saying it can't shake the house. I guess it's the poison that is HT and the what if's of having something on another level as far as subwoofers go.

I will say I completely shocked to see inception being rated 4 stars. I feel that is a movie with great strong bass from start to finish. I guess a lot of it may not be ULF but there is ALOT of room pulsating moments in this one. It was the first movie I watched when I got my HSU and it had me hooked. Have seen a lot of the top rated movies and its watched this one again and I am just at a loss how this doesnt rate 4.5 at least,
post #6205 of 16093
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Originally Posted by Sousa86 View Post

Anyone tested the lotr two towers? havent seen a graph for that..
..that first wraith wing flap..my couch literally lifted i swear!! Insane!!
But man that first wraith wing flap has gotta be in the 20s at least! It seems to sweep under you and go across the room from the front end to the back..its awesome how that scene plays!

This is my favourite LOTR-scene...
(old recording - DVDversion)

LOTR_NazgulNoHead.JPG
post #6206 of 16093


Thanks! Just the info i was looking for. Looks like the scene i mentioned was in the 20-30hz range..just as i thought. Really potent so i dont even have to turn things up to get a kick in the chest..but that particular scene really thumps!
post #6207 of 16093
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

This is my favourite LOTR-scene...
(old recording - DVDversion)
LOTR_NazgulNoHead.JPG

+1

Just finished rotk last night and that scene really punches you in the chest too ha! biggrin.gif
post #6208 of 16093
How did you get your settings to just say min/max/offs ?

sorry i just started playing with the new version and i feel like min/max makes more sense than the detaults.
post #6209 of 16093
Anyone watched The Dark Knight Rises, its out in Australia. How's the LFE there.. AVS reviews gave it a 5
post #6210 of 16093
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Originally Posted by holyindian View Post

Anyone watched The Dark Knight Rises, its out in Australia. How's the LFE there.. AVS reviews gave it a 5

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