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post #6511 of 8719
12/11/12 at 8:01am
I enjoyed TDKR myself but it did get harsh at times and the bass was mostly 30hz and above. The harshness did seem to get less as the movie progressed. I liked the bass much better than avengers but you can hear a limiter or something kick in during some parts. I know there was a nuclear explosion but that scene was never meant to be loud as it was shot from over 6 miles away. If you want a well balanced bass track and at loud levels just put in FOTR Balrog scene. I love that scene. Again, I guess if they are going to filter or not include ULF from the beginning than they better have loud 20hz and above at least and TDKR does. The avengers in comparison was not powerful enough but again I still enjoy all these movies.
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post #6512 of 8719
12/11/12 at 8:23am
I watched Project X last night. Holy CRAP! Had my whole house shaking. What a surprise!
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post #6513 of 8719
12/11/12 at 8:39am
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I know there was a nuclear explosion but that scene was never meant to be loud as it was shot from over 6 miles away.

Yes, and it is something like this...

Batman_TDKR_ch16.jpg
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post #6514 of 8719
12/11/12 at 9:09am
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Better to use frequency sweeps I'd say.


Better than what?

I tend to use periodic noise most of the time.

It makes wonder if that's why some folks run their sub channel hotter because the pink noise is very high hzwise. (i forget off hand what, 60hz or maybe 40hz)



Some people double talk the issue. Hot relative to what frequency?

I'm assuming hot relative to their mains, so +Xdb to the rest of their speakers.
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post #6515 of 8719
12/11/12 at 9:17am
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Just to add my 2 cents in this discussion. If your system was set up correctly, TDKR, was the farthest thing from Bloated??? The Audio on this Movie was like a Sledge Hammer Pounding away from all sides of the Room!. Ok I agree it did not have allot of ULF, but the sound was as crisp as it gets!

Loud means little in this case besides I can adjust my gain. I hope this isn't the new "crisp", if it is then we're all screwed for any new releases. imho
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post #6516 of 8719
12/11/12 at 10:18am
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Loud means little in this case besides I can adjust my gain. I hope this isn't the new "crisp", if it is then we're all screwed for any new releases. imho

I agree, just put in a movie like Immortals and listen to the very first opening scene, very loud, clear, and you can feel the energy even before the subs kick in.
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post #6517 of 8719
12/11/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

Define accuracy.
Some people here setup their systems with a different bandwidth than the one that is used in the production of a movie soundtrack. Once you make that change (AKA flat to 3 Hz) then you are not reproducing the soundtrack the way it was designed to be reproduced.
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"5. When you have a system that reproduces ULF, and are using the full frequency response of the system to calibrate your SPL using pink noise, and knowing what the standard is for most dub stages (talking about films here,) the variance from what most film makers and mixers intended is going to be a wildly varying experience for a lot of people
.....depending on how you calibrate your room, films that don't have any <20Hz content might sound downright anemic in a room setup for <20Hz because you've calibrated differently that what we do on a stage (i.e. the SPL of the sub channel for 20-120Hz will be lower than what we heard because our measurements weren't "hearing" <20Hz.) which explains to me a lot of times why there are wildly varying degrees opinions on LFE."
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Accuracy...is how close a measured value is to the actual (true) value.
Precise...is how close the measured values are to each other.
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post #6518 of 8719
12/11/12 at 1:06pm
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Products of the boom box era. wink.gif I think most run a couple of dB hot though rather than "sky high way past the original sound designers intent".
I like this guy! You totally ignored the post about the bass on the DKR bd. Just because you turn it up a few db higher or SKY HIGH eek.gif does not change the sound of the soundtrack.
Edited by kemiza - 12/11/12 at 1:12pm
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post #6519 of 8719
12/11/12 at 1:08pm
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I read Marcs posts as well.
Bloated is bloated and no amount of calibration 'in home' work will help. It seems a number of people like that bloated oompf while other prefer detailed and seems some designers do as well.
We all have our preferences and one isn't more important than another except to ourselves.
+3!biggrin.gif
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post #6520 of 8719
12/11/12 at 1:17pm
In all honesty I recall the bass from DKR sounds exactly the way I heard it in Imax. No, I'm not implying my system is just like the one in an Imax theater. That line would be too easy for everyone to jump on.biggrin.gif
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post #6521 of 8719
12/11/12 at 1:35pm
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In all honesty I recall the bass from DKR sounds exactly the way I heard it in Imax. No, I'm not implying my system is just like the one in an Imax theater. That line would be too easy for everyone to jump on.biggrin.gif

Wow, I had already pounced. Caught myself midair.
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post #6522 of 8719
12/11/12 at 1:39pm
Ok back on topic gentlemen. Any upcoming movies out there we can't wait to rip apart in the bass department?
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post #6523 of 8719
12/11/12 at 3:14pm
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watched TDKR completely yesterday. I heard no muddiness or anything negative. It was quite a good and challenging soundtrack. It was a 4/5 for me. When the "bat" comes out for the first time it found a new rattle in my HT I need to fix.

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Impressive soundtrack!
Pure and defined complexity in a new dimension - reference material.

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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Just to add my 2 cents in this discussion. If your system was set up correctly, TDKR, was the farthest thing from Bloated??? The Audio on this Movie was like a Sledge Hammer Pounding away from all sides of the Room!. Ok I agree it did not have allot of ULF, but the sound was as crisp as it gets!

In response to all the "naysayers" who described TDKR as *bloated*, I believe this is a perfect example of the "subjectivity" that comes into play on this thread. The varying opinions (I only listed *positive* opinions above because of the many and recent *negative* opinions) can not be explained by reading the graphs that have been posted, so why is there such a diversity of thought on this? Beats me!! All I can say is that I didn't hear any *boominess*; instead I heard nice *tight* bass that wasn't overdone or underdone (that's what I meant by precise/accurate). For those who care to read a host of other "positive opinions" on the audio (including LFE), here is Cinema Squid's site with multiple reviews of TDKR:

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/reviews?release-key=2a9fbb91-7b4f-4ff6-a5c6-b5bd3dfa39a2&view=table

Let me add that my SVS sub is tuned flat down to 20 Hz and I used my Pioneer receiver's MCACC for calibration.
Edited by djoberg - 12/11/12 at 3:21pm
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post #6524 of 8719
12/11/12 at 3:22pm
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watched TDKR completely yesterday. I heard no muddiness or anything negative. It was quite a good and challenging soundtrack. It was a 4/5 for me. When the "bat" comes out for the first time it found a new rattle in my HT I need to fix.

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Impressive soundtrack!
Pure and defined complexity in a new dimension - reference material.

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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Just to add my 2 cents in this discussion. If your system was set up correctly, TDKR, was the farthest thing from Bloated??? The Audio on this Movie was like a Sledge Hammer Pounding away from all sides of the Room!. Ok I agree it did not have allot of ULF, but the sound was as crisp as it gets!

In response to all the "naysayers" who described TDKR as *bloated*, I believe this is a perfect example of the "subjectivity" that comes into play on this thread. The varying opinions (I only listed *positive* opinions above because of the many an recent *negative* opinions) can not be explained by reading the graphs that have been posted, so why is there such a diversity of thought on this? Beats me!! All I can say is that I didn't hear any *boominess*; instead I heard nice *tight* bass that wasn't overdone or underdone (that's what I meant by precise/accurate). For those who care to read a host of other "positive opinions" on the audio (including LFE), here is Cinema Squid's site with mulitple reviews of TDKR:

http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/reviews?release-key=2a9fbb91-7b4f-4ff6-a5c6-b5bd3dfa39a2&view=table

Let me add that my SVS sub is tuned flat down to 20 Hz and I used my Pioneer receiver's MCACC for calibration.

I dunno why the difference in opinions.
Mcacc does nothing for subs, (in case you weren't aware) it sets the trim level but that's all.
You liked it and that's what matters (for you smile.gif)
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post #6525 of 8719
12/11/12 at 4:01pm
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You liked it and that's what matters (for you smile.gif)

Guess what? I think you would like it too if you came and watched it (and listened to it) with me! biggrin.gif
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post #6526 of 8719
12/11/12 at 4:03pm
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I just ordered myself a Rythmik FV15HP over the weekend and am expected to receive this Thursday. I cannot wait to get it all set up and dialed in and start to watch my BD collection all over again. I am coming from a cheap 8" Boston Acoustic sub from a satellite setup from years ago and expect big things with this beast of a sub that is on its way.
What would be your recommendation for the first movie I should play on it to give it a work out?

Terminator Salvation is a good sub test. Or TDK.
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post #6527 of 8719
12/11/12 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

In response to all the "naysayers" who described TDKR as *bloated*, I believe this is a perfect example of the "subjectivity" that comes into play on this thread. The varying opinions (I only listed *positive* opinions above because of the many and recent *negative* opinions) can not be explained by reading the graphs that have been posted, so why is there such a diversity of thought on this? Beats me!! All I can say is that I didn't hear any *boominess*; instead I heard nice *tight* bass that wasn't overdone or underdone (that's what I meant by precise/accurate). For those who care to read a host of other "positive opinions" on the audio (including LFE), here is Cinema Squid's site with multiple reviews of TDKR:
http://www.cinemasquid.com/blu-ray/movies/reviews?release-key=2a9fbb91-7b4f-4ff6-a5c6-b5bd3dfa39a2&view=table
Let me add that my SVS sub is tuned flat down to 20 Hz and I used my Pioneer receiver's MCACC for calibration.

I hafta mostly agree. Bass from my two HSU VTF-2 MK-4's on TDKR was as you described except I would't call it incredibly tight. Still great tho. I loved the soundtrack.
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post #6528 of 8719
12/11/12 at 4:17pm
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You liked it and that's what matters (for you smile.gif)

Guess what? I think you would like it too if you came and watched it (and listened to it) with me! biggrin.gif

Only if you're a Hot red head. wink.gif
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post #6529 of 8719
12/11/12 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Ok back on topic gentlemen. Any upcoming movies out there we can't wait to rip apart in the bass department?

Resident Evil Retribution! :-)

release date is Dec 21
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post #6530 of 8719
12/11/12 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Check out Triangle for some FUN LFE and amazing surround work. LOTS of bass in this one and it seemed to dig pretty deep at times as well. Would be curious to see some charts of some of these moments. TOTAL mind **** of a movie to boot. I thought it was a very entertaining HT experience. cool.gif

Yes indeed.....biggrin.gif
Picked up my BR copy of this movie from FRYS for 5.00. Movie is silly, but the LFE is insane. While watching the movie, I'm like while what tha ????... was that ?? biggrin.gif

Why is it not on the rating list that ranges from 5-star to 2-1/2 star ? Just curious is all.....
Edited by Ray77085 - 12/11/12 at 4:56pm
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post #6531 of 8719
12/11/12 at 5:50pm
Triangle is 6.8/10 on imdb. Looks like a download to me.
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post #6532 of 8719
12/11/12 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

I dunno why the difference in opinions.
Mcacc does nothing for subs, (in case you weren't aware) it sets the trim level but that's all.
You liked it and that's what matters (for you smile.gif)

I use a Dual Core 2.0 Anti Mode for my subs with MCACC and I'm down to 12 hz in a treated room.
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post #6533 of 8719
12/12/12 at 7:18am
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

I dunno why the difference in opinions.
Mcacc does nothing for subs, (in case you weren't aware) it sets the trim level but that's all.
You liked it and that's what matters (for you smile.gif)

Well,
I am using using ARC on my Rythmik Sub? ARC does an amazing job on subs!
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post #6534 of 8719
12/12/12 at 7:21am
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I dunno why the difference in opinions.
Mcacc does nothing for subs, (in case you weren't aware) it sets the trim level but that's all.
You liked it and that's what matters (for you smile.gif)

Well,
I am using using ARC on my Rythmik Sub? ARC does an amazing job on subs!

I use SMS-1/REW for my dual HSU 15H's. I haven't heard anything bad about ARC. When Emotiva gets around to releasing their XMC-1 it will have a version of ARC (or a subset) iirc.
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post #6535 of 8719
12/12/12 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by HeffeMusic View Post

Well,
I am using using ARC on my Rythmik Sub? ARC does an amazing job on subs!
Interesting. As in Auto Return Channel?
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post #6536 of 8719
12/12/12 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Interesting. As in Auto Return Channel?

Is he talking about Anthem recievers with ARC?
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post #6537 of 8719
12/12/12 at 11:07am
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Interesting. As in Auto Return Channel?

ARC as in Anthem Room Correction I would have thought.
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post #6538 of 8719
12/12/12 at 11:21am
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Is he talking about Anthem recievers with ARC?

Yes,
I am referring to Anthems room correction tool. it works wonders on my sub as well as all the other speakers.
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post #6539 of 8719
12/12/12 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by sputter1 View Post

I use SMS-1/REW for my dual HSU 15H's. I haven't heard anything bad about ARC. When Emotiva gets around to releasing their XMC-1 it will have a version of ARC (or a subset) iirc.

Lonnie Vaughn told me they were using a version of TACT, not ARC, in their upcoming processors, when I spoke with him at RMAF.
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post #6540 of 8719
12/12/12 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by TimVG View Post

You do not calibrate subwoofers using pink noise. Ever.

Thats is what we use to tune our subs (both when calibrating the frequency response and SPL (and Dolvy tunes our rooms.)
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