The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts - Page 224

Total Recall 2012 Blu-ray is a defective release. The TrueHD audio is messed up. The only way to make it play correctly is to have your player convert to PCM or AC3, which defeats the purpose of bitstreaming. I returned mine to Amazon as a defective disk.

And just why is converting to PCM a bad thing? Its the same audio, no difference whatsoever in SQ.

This is what I always thought. From what I remember reading some time ago is people like to bitstream so they can see the light turn on on their AVR.

I can't tell you the number of times I've seen this topic brought up in HT forums over the years. For some reason when users are switching to LPCM they are complaining about lack of sound stage and low volume etc. Back in the DVD days I used to experiment switching between them and also came to the conclusion that bitstream sounded fuller and produced a larger sound field. I personally don't know why this was happening but one solution was just to turn the volume up but still didn't sound as good. About 3-5 months ago I had to switch my Oppo BD-95 to output LPCM to watch Underworld-Awakening on BD as at the time my Anthem D2v wasn't decoding the DTS-MA track correctly (has been fixed by firmware update). Switching between them produced the same large sound stage but I had to turn the volume up when using LPCM a few notches to match the output volume of bitstream (using HDMI all the way).

Like you I believed owners used Bitstream just to see the words DTS or Dolby Digital (DTS-Master Audio/TrueHD and the nice lights on their equipment . I will purchase Total Recall when and if they fix the issue with the disc as it sounds like it's a winner for bass.

When a receiver gets bitstream it converts it to - you guessed it LPCM, bit for bit identical per Dolby and DTS licensing agreements.

Are you basing your opinion on after seeing the movie in a commercial theater, or do you have a copy of Dredd on BD?

I have one of these on the way. Though it doesn't go down to 5hz like that one it would seem, but its much cheaper.

The Dolby decoders and digital output sections in one's receiver and in the Blu-ray player may be of different quality, so it's quite possible that there are audible differences between using Bitstream and LPCM output on the player.

There may also be volume differences between the two different playbacks which could account for some of the variation in sound quality.

However, studios should not issue a major release like Total Recall when there are problems with the chosen lossless track. If these problems are not discovered until the "beta-testers" (in other words, the first wave of buyers) have difficulties, then a replacement program should be instituted that is convenient to the customers.

My two cents'

Lee

Thanks for sharing that information. I just received my OmniMic today, but I didn't have the chance to try it yet. I have 45 days to test it and if doesn't work for me, then I'll consider the UMIK-1.

Last night I experienced 2 hours of my "most wasted" time this year - watching the "copy & paste" movie of the year 2012


Triangle - Chapter #11 - at the end of chapter


Edited by Flageborg - 12/31/12 at 12:27am

Flageborg: Which scene is that?

I would advise not, what a horrifically bad novie.

Hi all,

Which movies have the best mid-range punch? I have a DVD copy of Open Range, but I was wondering if there are others. I have two JTR T8s and a pair of custom dual 12", front firing custom Funk Audio. I just feel like my mid-bass is a little light. I only sit 7' away and I'm going to be making a massive amount of adjustments to my Anthem AVM20 tomorrow and would love some recommendations on which movies have great punch. Not concerned with the uber deep stuff.

You guys rock!

Look for the ones most lamely criticized in this thread Like Super 8.

Hurt Locker has a bunch and it's a pretty good film.
If you're making changes be sure your sub is well placed. I see comments like the lack of mid bass with really nice subs and it turns out they only had one spot to put it (non-optimal). If that is the case don't expect much till you improve your placement.
YMMV

Recent movies? I'd nominate The Dark Knight Rises. The high stuff tends to overwhelm the low stuff in that movie. The warp scenes in Star Trek 2009 are pretty good, too.

I love the warp scenes...........good call man, good call!

Awesome! Completely forgot about the warp scenes, which is one of my favourite blu ray bass moments. I still have to get The Hurt Locker and I don't like TDKR.

As far as placement goes, I am limited. Both subs act as stands for my Triple 8s and they are against a wall. However, I know I could do a better job with a few hours of tweaking. I have a lot of flexibility with the crossover options in the Anthem.

...at the end of Chapter 11, when she fight herself on deck...

A friend of mine brought over Total Recall on bluray last night, it played fine, the sound never acted up once. The Bass was great IMO. Seemed like there was a lot of LFE to me, even moreso than a lot of other movies I've watched. The movie is worth watching just for Kate Beckinsale, shes a knockout :-)
I play my blurays on a PS3 and it ran without a hitch.

 

Think of the codec like it was a ZIP file. If you make a Word document on a flash drive and then you Zip it (compress it losslessly) you end up with the equivalent of the sound codec (DTS-HD MA, Dolby True HD) on the thumb drive. If you then give the thumb drive to someone with your WORD.ZIP file on it, they have two choices to get the file to their hard drive where they want it:

 

1. They can unzip the file on the thumb drive and then copy the Word document to the hard drive, or

2. They can copy the Zip file to their hard drive and unzip it there.

 

Wherever they choose to unzip the file, the Word document is identical. It's the same with unpacking the codec. There's no issue of the quality of the hardware, any more than there is with the Zip file. You can use a $10,000 SOTA PC or the cheapest laptop you can buy, the Word document will still be the same once it is unzipped. Thus there can be no audible differences (or indeed any differences) when you unpack the codec in the player, or in the AVR.

Considering you did not experience the problems most others have, I wonder if your PS3 is set to LPCM instead of bitstreamng.

How do I check that? I will look and post the results.

Edit: I looked at the sound settings, when I set them up I let it do it automatically, so every box option was checked. I dont know what it used when we watched the movie then.
Edited by Slingblayde - 12/31/12 at 9:15am

Go to video settings and go down to audio output format. What does it say?

Also what does it say on the receiver's display? if it always says PCM then the PS3 is set to LPCM. If it says DD, Dolby, DTS , TrueHD etc... then the PS3 is set to bitstream.

Ps3 can't send along any lossless signal not decoded so it had to be lpcm. I watched it on a ps3 with no audio probs

The the old fat boy PS3 can only do LPCM, but the PS3 slim can be set to LPCM or bitstream. It's under the "BD / DVD - Audio Output Format (HDMI)" settings and I have mine set to bitstream. http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/bdsettings.html#1855

Yup, I have a slim PS3 and have it set to bitstream.

Correct, slim good fat not good, we are talking PS3's right?

Anyone got any home theater feedback on Looper yet?