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post #7171 of 16084
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Hey Flageborg,
Thanks for the graphs but I think you should check your chain's gain structure. Just like a year ago, you're clipping again. As a result, I don't think anything in Skyfall was quite as hot as you're showing.

Thank you, and here is a reduced gain version, but doesn't seem to affect how hot Skyfall actually is?

post #7172 of 16084
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

For LFE not a 5 star, However:
If considered for all-around sound mix (including music and surround effects) I would agree completely.
My system is extension limited to about 16 Hz - that said; I think Skyfall had some of the best "all-around audio quality". It's demo-quality; for my visitors smile.gif

I agree 100% with your impressions! BTW, my sub's extension is also limited to 16 Hz.
post #7173 of 16084
djoberg,
I see you are a fellow SVS owner - good on you!
I have a pretty large volume (an open floor plan) to fill so I am managing to get by with 3 used SVS cylinders (2x16-46's, and a single 20-39+). I have them "almost-tamed" with a Velodyne SMS-1 equalizer.
post #7174 of 16084
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

djoberg,
I see you are a fellow SVS owner - good on you!
I have a pretty large volume (an open floor plan) to fill so I am managing to get by with 3 used SVS cylinders (2x16-46's, and a single 20-39+). I have them "almost-tamed" with a Velodyne SMS-1 equalizer.

My SVS sub was the best addition to my Home Theater since purchasing the KURO Elite 3 years ago. I absolutely love it and believe it's worth twice the price I paid for it. Awesome bass extension with remarkably low distortion. It's quite musical too (for a ported sub) with tight and accurate bass. Of course I realize I'm preaching to the choir! biggrin.gif

If and when I upgrade to a PJ with about a 130" screen and 2-3 tiers of seating, I will buy another PC12-NSD or upgrade to dual PC13 Ultras. My room measures 2800 cu. ft., so it's not too large.
post #7175 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Thank you, and here is a reduced gain version, but doesn't seem to affect how hot Skyfall actually is?


I think if you look at the right you'll see that you're still experiencing clipping somewhere in the chain. You reduced the overall volume, but the signal levels are still hitting a brick wall somewhere, as evidenced by the straight line that a large portion of that graph's signal level hits.

What will happen, then, is your Speclab will incorrectly show large swaths of ALL RED & YELLOW, instead of the transients of RED (high level) to green/blue (low level) because it's seeing everything as higher level than it should be. I think this is also why your graphs are showing high-level content down to 6 or 7hz, when the film has what appears to be a 13hz HPF.

The movie itself has some MAJOR MAJOR scenes, and the one you're graphing is one of them, but I think your graph seems fuller than the actual source because of this clipping issue. In fact, this movie clipped JSS' sound card during that scene when he was recording levels.
post #7176 of 16084
Just watched The Man With the Iron Fists. Some cool bass sweeps, but that darn rock / rap music in some background of scenes just ruin it, musically and for the story telling as well. Only can this be done in Hollywood. Fun bass, crappy movie. Ouch. The movie is highly produced with a Hollywood budget, but for sure, it will not be winning any awards even with the star power that was brought in for the movie. Double ouch lol

Am I the only one who feel this way?
post #7177 of 16084
^^^you have to remember what the movie is meant to be--an homage to the old, campy kung fu flicks. Given that, I think it worked. I wasn't expecting a great movie. With regard to the music, the RZA wrote or directed the movie. That's his thing-combining hip hop and kung fu since the nineties. Nothing unexpected to me. Except for the bass, which wad a pleasant surprise indeed.
post #7178 of 16084
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Nothing unexpected to me.

Yup, just like a good US flick. The white guy from another country comes in and saves the day. In this case, there is a black guy too. Next movie please. Thank goodness I have Iron Man 2 loaded and ready.
post #7179 of 16084
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

It's quite musical too (for a ported sub) with tight and accurate bass.

And would be just as "musical" if sealed. wink.gif
post #7180 of 16084
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

djoberg,
I see you are a fellow SVS owner - good on you!
I have a pretty large volume (an open floor plan) to fill so I am managing to get by with 3 used SVS cylinders (2x16-46's, and a single 20-39+). I have them "almost-tamed" with a Velodyne SMS-1 equalizer.

I had dual 16-46s for a bit biggrin.gif My friend who has em now liked em too!
post #7181 of 16084
SVS is what opened my eyes to true bass. I had 3 16-46cs+ subs and was pretty awesome. Of course then I discovered DIY and it was all over.
post #7182 of 16084
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

SVS is what opened my eyes to true bass. I had 3 16-46cs+ subs and was pretty awesome. Of course then I discovered DIY and it was all over.

I think a lot of us have gone down that path.

My first "true" subwoofer was a pair of 16-46 pc+'s, to a PB12/2+, to a PB12/2Ultra, then on to DIY.
post #7183 of 16084
Just to confirm the trend. And in my HT#2, I will also be going DIY smile.gif
post #7184 of 16084
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Originally Posted by capricorn kid View Post

This not a big bass movie but I watched "Safety not Guaranteed" last night and without giving away the ending too much, there is about 60 seconds of great deep loud bass that shocked me. The movie was not bad at all, I actually enjoyed it but it is a drama / comedy with no action at all. That is why the ending shocked me. It filled my theater room with LOTS of energy.

I watched this one last night -- I thought it was a good movie! The scene you're talking about -- I didn't get much bass at all. I was watching the movie on Netflix though -- did you watch it on blu ray? Does Netflix fllter LFE or something?
post #7185 of 16084
Comparison between Skyfall and Black Hawk Down
Re-recorded/re-graphed - at same level - present day

How do you experience the different soundtracks when it comes to helicopter and ULF level?


Skyfall_vs_BlackHawkDown_54.jpg
post #7186 of 16084
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

I watched this one last night -- I thought it was a good movie! The scene you're talking about -- I didn't get much bass at all. I was watching the movie on Netflix though -- did you watch it on blu ray? Does Netflix fllter LFE or something?

I also thought is was a decent movie to chill with. There was a good amount of bass in that scene - I definitely felt it. I also watched it through my netflix service - I think it was thru my Panasonic (ARC). I kept rewinding and playing that scene. I don't have any measuring equipment graph.
post #7187 of 16084
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Originally Posted by woody777 View Post

I watched this one last night -- I thought it was a good movie! The scene you're talking about -- I didn't get much bass at all. I was watching the movie on Netflix though -- did you watch it on blu ray? Does Netflix fllter LFE or something?
Yes I watched it on Blu-ray from Netflix. I don't stream movies in my theater. I only use the hard disc. From what I know, the steaming from Netflix is only in Dolby Digital I think. The bass was very potent and strong during that last scene in my room.
post #7188 of 16084
@Flageborg, Skyfall is clipping most of the time so the graph is showing you much hotter than it actually is? isn't the right side of the image showing clipping? I like the idea to compare though.
post #7189 of 16084
Hey everyone!
New to this thread...did anybody watch The Man with the Iron Fists on Blu-ray yet? Amazing bass! Check it out if you get the chance!
post #7190 of 16084
Nope nobody watched it yet.
post #7191 of 16084
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Originally Posted by mikeygator View Post

Hey everyone!
New to this thread...did anybody watch The Man with the Iron Fists on Blu-ray yet? Amazing bass! Check it out if you get the chance!

Ya, it was fun watching fat boy R. Crowe!
post #7192 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Flageborg View Post

Comparison between Skyfall and Black Hawk Down
Re-recorded/re-graphed - at same level - present day

How do you experience the different soundtracks when it comes to helicopter and ULF level?
[image removed]

What method are you using to capture into SpecLab? Your charts always look clipped. Are you capturing the raw audio direct from the DVD/Bluray or the output from your AVR?
post #7193 of 16084
I have always assumed that he has a microphone hooked up to a PC sound card and the SpectraLab software is recording what the mic hears through his speakers.

I downloaded the software (it's free) and I am using my cheap webcam mic and it works. But, I am sure that my mic is not very accurate.
It also does not show any info above 2000 Hz., which I am sure is also my cheap mic.
But, I do see the bass frequencies quite well, similar to his screen shots.
post #7194 of 16084
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Originally Posted by obxdiver View Post

I have always assumed that he has a microphone hooked up to a PC sound card and the SpectraLab software is recording what the mic hears through his speakers.

I downloaded the software (it's free) and I am using my cheap webcam mic and it works. But, I am sure that my mic is not very accurate.
It also does not show any info above 2000 Hz., which I am sure is also my cheap mic.
But, I do see the bass frequencies quite well, similar to his screen shots.

My computer has a virtual audio Input called "What You Hear", it lets you capture whatever is playing on your computer directly. This way I get SpecLab chart that is exactly what is on the actual BluRay or DVD.
The charts that Flageborg posts look like they are clipped or have some type of Dynamic Range processing applied.
post #7195 of 16084
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Originally Posted by Shadowdane View Post

My computer has a virtual audio Input called "What You Hear", it lets you capture whatever is playing on your computer directly. This way I get SpecLab chart that is exactly what is on the actual BluRay or DVD.
The charts that Flageborg posts look like they are clipped or have some type of Dynamic Range processing applied.
It's called Stereo Mix.

Just play the movie on the pc, launch speclab & start the graph plotting.
post #7196 of 16084
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Originally Posted by bowmah View Post

Just watched The Man With the Iron Fists. Some cool bass sweeps, but that darn rock / rap music in some background of scenes just ruin it, musically and for the story telling as well. Only can this be done in Hollywood. Fun bass, crappy movie. Ouch. The movie is highly produced with a Hollywood budget, but for sure, it will not be winning any awards even with the star power that was brought in for the movie. Double ouch lol

Am I the only one who feel this way?

yep crappy movie but some fun lfe
post #7197 of 16084
That program Stereo Mix is awesome. I downloaded it and now I can graph full range waterfalls, no subwoofer required nice!
here is Bass i love you

Holy 7hz batman!


and heres my webcam mic and svs 16hz tune. for comparison


Quite respectable for such a cheap component.

@obxdiver if your still having trouble with speclab try downloading these settings.
http://www.avsforum.com/attachments/18051
replace ur old settings.ini with this one (default location C:\Spectrum)
post #7198 of 16084
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Originally Posted by spidey.joe80 View Post

@obxdiver if your still having trouble with speclab try downloading these settings.
http://www.avsforum.com/attachments/18051
replace ur old settings.ini with this one (default location C:\Spectrum)

Thanks
I will give these INI settings a try over the weekend
post #7199 of 16084
I am watching the Green Lantern and I have to say not much in the deep bass department, however a very good soundtrack with bass done right! Pretty impressed with this one.
post #7200 of 16084
Watched Sinister lastnight. Nice bass throughout the movie. At one point the wife was startled thinking someone had hit the back of the couch. It also had some nice discrete surround effects (which also creeped her out)
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