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post #7471 of 16113
I am not sure what DC current does to an amp. It could be but other movies have high levels of low stuff and my amp never clipped. What load are you using? 8 or 4 ohm? I know you are running stereo so 4 drivers per channel? So a 4 ohm load to one channel which is 4400 watts. Your drivers can take 1000 watts in a small enough cabinet but most likely not at 1-5hz. So you are very close to the limits of the amp and drivers so depending on volume and source and you found it.
post #7472 of 16113
If there's a DC component in teh input to the power stage, it'll be subject to the same gain as everything else. Whether that makes a difference in total available power depends on what else is going on, I suppose.

Being DC, it cannot be "sound" or even "subsonic" because that implies a wave and there's no wave.

I always thought that at least most pro power amps had a DC blocking capacitor, because DC is quite bad indeed for speakers. If all you had was the DC component, the speaker would move from its neutral position however far the voltage called for and sit there. Forever, or until you turned the amp off or the speaker's voice coil overheated and failed.

DC into the speaker also eliminates some of the available excursion in one direction, because you're already partway there all the time. SInce under a DC load the voice coil never moves, the cooling benefits of having the speaker moving while it's under load are lost. I'm pretty sure you can find a DC offset spec or measurement for typical amps, because it becomes kind of a big deal with big systems intended to get sound out at high levels to a lot of folks.
post #7473 of 16113
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So LOOPER is the best Bass of them all!  I could have sworn it was Prometheus

The first time I watched Looper, I had no idea that shotgun would have such insane LFE feedback. The opening scene with the first shotgun death was an unexpected surprise for my home theater.
post #7474 of 16113
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post


"Man with the Iron Fist"

Its not just one or two good LFE/ULF scenes, it's almost the whole movie ! and the way its mixed is nothing short of amazing, it feels good and sounds good which is rare enough. If you haven't seen it and dig deep bass, its like giving your dog (sub) a prime cut steak for dinner biggrin.gif


Thanks for the heads up, got my copy at BB today for $19.99

post #7475 of 16113
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Originally Posted by dtsdig View Post

Yes, the scene at the beginning had my (small and lacking) Polk PSW505 making all sorts of bad noises! It was moving itself all over the floor and the driver was borderline bottoming out. In fact, that was the movie that made me install spikes on the bottom of the sub in place of the cheap plastic feet to keep it in one place.
I didn't mind the movie for the most part and thought that the cinematography was really mesmerizing but as has been mentioned, it was depressing and I would not actually purchase it.

Those were two great LFE scenes. I was just thinking about it though and were they actually the same scene as far as the sound goes? The end scene might have just repeated from the beginning as far as the actual audio, but I am not sure and cant check as it was a rental.
post #7476 of 16113
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Originally Posted by PioManiac View Post


Thanks for the heads up, got my copy at BB today for $19.99

Even though we dont fully agree on The Hobbit LFE, I feel confident that we will agree on MWTIF. smile.gif Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

"Man with the Iron Fist"

Its not just one or two good LFE/ULF scenes, it's almost the whole movie ! and the way its mixed is nothing short of amazing, it feels good and sounds good which is rare enough. If you haven't seen it and dig deep bass, its like giving your dog (sub) a prime cut steak for dinner biggrin.gif

Agreed! As impressive as the LFE was, the surround element was just as engaging and aggressive. Combine the two and what a potent audio experience! cool.gif I lost count of all the hair movement I was getting from the low end on this one. biggrin.gif
post #7477 of 16113
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Originally Posted by PioManiac View Post

Would it be too much to ask that someone please post a chart of the Stone Giants fight in The Hobbit?

I got 'em. Also graphed the dragon attack at the start of the movie and the awakening at the end.

As expected, the LFE isn't "non existent." It's just all up high. Way up high. Someone loves their filtering WAY too much.

Quantity's fine, as I could tell from the beating the horns were giving me on what was there. I think I'll go down to three stars, as I didn't quite realize how bad the filtering was, but really... the hype in this thread just drives me crazy sometimes. The subwoofers were on, I could tell they were on the whole movie, the LFE didn't just up and vanish thanks to the ridiculous filtering tongue.gif

And really... I would hope they bottom out the LFE before the extended edition goes on sale. I'd like the last two octaves of my horns' usable range to be fully utilized, please...













post #7478 of 16113
Ha thanks for posting that Oklahoma Wolf. Looks like the bass in that soundtrack was designed for your typical HTIB kit! biggrin.gif
post #7479 of 16113
OR the use of no subs at all. Hell many tower speakers would do just fine with that. I could have ran large and not tell the difference.
post #7480 of 16113

Finally, Thank You!

 

Yup, no questioning that filtering was introduced, and intentional.

 

I concede that I was dead wrong on this one.
 

post #7481 of 16113
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

OR the use of no subs at all. Hell many tower speakers would do just fine with that. I could have ran large and not tell the difference.

Yup. 70's-80's movie bass at its finest.
post #7482 of 16113
WTF is that? eek.giffrown.gif My 2.5 vote might have actually been generous. Thanks for confirming my subjective impressions OW and like I have mentioned several times, biggest LFE letdown since 2012 and RotS. ****ing horrible!!!!!!!!!!!
post #7483 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Even though we dont fully agree on The Hobbit LFE, I feel confident that we will agree on MWTIF. smile.gif Enjoy!
Agreed! As impressive as the LFE was, the surround element was just as engaging and aggressive. Combine the two and what a potent audio experience! cool.gif I lost count of all the hair movement I was getting from the low end on this one. biggrin.gif

Agreed! the surround element was on par with the LFE, it could be said the entire track was uncompressed! This was a good movie to remind us why we love Hometheater and got into it in the first place! The fun factor on this one is very high wink.gif
post #7484 of 16113

How about: Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

post #7485 of 16113
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

How about: Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows
i don't have charts and data, but the couple of times i have watched it on cable, it was awesome.
post #7486 of 16113
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Agreed! the surround element was on par with the LFE, it could be said the entire track was uncompressed! This was a good movie to remind us why we love Hometheater and got into it in the first place! The fun factor on this one is very high wink.gif

Absolutely! Well said. cool.gif
post #7487 of 16113
Guys while your at it , go ahead and add the remake of "Red Dawn" good LFE/ULF in the bass with some sweet pans in the sound field that adds to the precision and delivery of the mix , the movie itself wasn't terrible but not great either! still I enjoyed it wink.gif
post #7488 of 16113
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Guys while your at it , go ahead and add the remake of "Red Dawn" good LFE/ULF in the bass with some sweet pans in the sound field that adds to the precision and delivery of the mix , the movie itself wasn't terrible but not great either! still I enjoyed it wink.gif

Ditto, The movie Sucked, but boy those explosions were room shaking!biggrin.gif
post #7489 of 16113
Thread Starter 
Looks like really bad filtering on hobbit home releases, because bass was great in theaters hfr 3d presentation. I remember those smaug foot stomps to be thunderous and easily felt(they even tell in newspapers rewievs in here that theater shaked on that scene:D) and it wasnt 50hz and up bass there. Was it japandave or someone who recorded some stuff on movie theater and made some charts from those sounds what was there?
post #7490 of 16113
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

Looks like really bad filtering on hobbit home releases, because bass was great in theaters hfr 3d presentation. I remember those smaug foot stomps to be thunderous and easily felt(they even tell in newspapers rewievs in here that theater shaked on that scene:D) and it wasnt 50hz and up bass there. Was it japandave or someone who recorded some stuff on movie theater and made some charts from those sounds what was there?

I saw a non HFR IMAX presentation that was very similar to the blu ray, so maybe we got that mix?
post #7491 of 16113
i saw the Hobbit in the san antonio Imax (w/ dolby atmos) and the bass was just about non existant.....worst audio presentation i had ever heard to be honest...I thought the heter wasnt fully working.

but now with the blu-ray release it makes sense
post #7492 of 16113
I saw it twice, once in a THX theater and a HFR theater, both had very little bass. I have more bass than either and at reference with my subs hot 9 dBs there was very little. 1 star from me. It does not get much worse than this IMHO. Again, run your speakers on large and even bookshelves could handle this! When you don't need subs for a movie it is 1 star or lower! I still like the movie but this was a huge let down since LOTR are some of my favorite audio experiences.
post #7493 of 16113
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

Looks like really bad filtering on hobbit home releases, because bass was great in theaters hfr 3d presentation.

Yeah... it looks to me like there is down to single digit content there, it's just filtered so badly you can't hear it.
post #7494 of 16113
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

Yeah... it looks to me like there is down to single digit content there, it's just filtered so badly you can't hear it.

That is because in real life when something goes boom, or even the wind blowing you get single digits. It is there, whether it gets to a disc or not is the problem. Of course someone can create a sound effect as well with no low end.
post #7495 of 16113
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

How about: Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

Both Sherlock Holmes movies had soundtracks that were extremely well done. The scene in part one with the dry dock had some awesome LFE, while the scene in the butcher's warehouse has one of the best surround sound effects I have heard for any movie. Game of Shadows also had that cannon scene that made my subs flex.
post #7496 of 16113
That is SOOOOOO disappointing to see how bad the filtering is on the Stone Giant scene. That would've been ultimate demo material if the LFE was unfiltered.
post #7497 of 16113
Are there any Hollywood film mixers that are anti-filtering?
post #7498 of 16113
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

Looks like really bad filtering on hobbit home releases, because bass was great in theaters hfr 3d presentation. I remember those smaug foot stomps to be thunderous and easily felt(they even tell in newspapers rewievs in here that theater shaked on that scene:D) and it wasnt 50hz and up bass there. Was it japandave or someone who recorded some stuff on movie theater and made some charts from those sounds what was there?

It's I that posted what I captured the Hobbit in the theater earlier in this thread.
I haven't got the chance to watch the hobbit in bluray or dvd but I still kept my capture files (periodic capture every 30"). Comparing what Wolf has kindly shared with my captures, the time stamp on my caps minus 18:06:xx would be close to the time on the disc.. if my estimation is correct ^^

For instance, you may compare Wolf’s capture for the end scene with my capture below



The bass for the Hobbit I heard at the theater was loud but not much below 20Hz, but I was astonished that the speclab caps weren’t showing much below 30Hz.
post #7499 of 16113
Comparing the Stone Giants scene(1hr44'45" disc timestamp)with Wolf's capture, it seems that the sonic signature, LF extension.. are similar besides the 40-50Hz booming as well as some peaks and dips. Please realize that I'm not suggesting there were filtering on the soundtrack..just thought I picked the wrong movie to check the ULF reproducing capability. Putting my next hope on the coming Tom Cruise film.

The stone giants:

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post #7500 of 16113

Because you cant spell Kung Fu without F and U biggrin.gif

 

Cant wait for this weekend!

 

 

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