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post #7531 of 16164
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

Pah, Project X is quality biggrin.gif

I want to do that tongue.gif lol

Which part do you ant to do?

1. Buy high school frinds by throwing a house party and thrashing your parent's house?

2. Thrash your parents house and let them tell you they are proud of you because they thought you were a loser and has no friends?

Project X sucked as a movie man. Not to mention the horrible message we send to our kids. Lol
post #7532 of 16164
Movie was absolutely horrendous. But he bass was out of this world
post #7533 of 16164

I don't care if it has good sound if the movie is a dud, I can't waist two hours watching that!

post #7534 of 16164
Lol. Yup. I kept waiting for some sort of meaning to come out of the movie. But it was just ridiculousness over and over. But it DID have lots of bass and boobs lol
post #7535 of 16164
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

need your help guys, deciding which one to get. which one is better SVS PB-1000 vs. klipsch rw 12d? and why. ty
The SVS is a better sub all around in quality, brand, warranty and can play lower and harder. The klipsch is $200 cheaper thought. You can buy almost 2 subs with the price of the SVS. Right now the klipsch has $70 off the price in newegg promo code EMCXSXV78.
If I was me, I'd chose the SVS but the ported one.
Edited by centauro74 - 4/6/13 at 4:10pm
post #7536 of 16164
Has anyone watched Life Of Pi? Had some good bass during certain scenes but the interesting thing was after I finished watching I played the 3d trailer in the extras section. I left the volume at the same level as I had watched the movie at (-5db MV) and man I was near blown out of my chair with bass! It was completely different to the movie, not sure but just thinking the trailer I think was in Dolby Digital. I then played the 2d trailer and it had next to no bass. Weird. Can someone else check who has the 3d disc or can explain what's going on, thanks?
post #7537 of 16164
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Originally Posted by SmokenAshes View Post

LFE in Skyrim is actually insane. Especially in the DLC Dragonborn, which has an erupted volcano in the background and on the island your on has tremors every now and then. This video is how I feel when it happens.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Ps9310ih8

Not a fan of Skyrim, havn't tried it.
post #7538 of 16164
Yeah, Project X has a lot of fun low end, that's for sure. IIRC I voted 4.5 for that one. Terrible movie indeed.
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Originally Posted by crazy4daisy View Post

Has anyone watched Life Of Pi?

I posted a waterfall or two a couple pages back wink.gif
post #7539 of 16164
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

need your help guys, deciding which one to get. which one is better SVS PB-1000 vs. klipsch rw 12d? and why. ty

The SVS. Its going a bit lower then the Klipsch.

Plus you have the trial period that SVS gives you.
post #7540 of 16164
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Originally Posted by Oklahoma Wolf View Post

I posted a waterfall or two a couple pages back wink.gif

Any comment on what's going on when the trailer blows the movie out of the park for bass though?
post #7541 of 16164
Marketing.
post #7542 of 16164
Mwtif wasn't as bad a movie as everyone makes it out to be. By great bass in it yes.
post #7543 of 16164
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Originally Posted by crazy4daisy View Post

Any comment on what's going on when the trailer blows the movie out of the park for bass though?

This is not unusual. I have noticed many times through the years how a trailer mix will be noticeably different vs the same scene in the actual film.
post #7544 of 16164
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

This is not unusual. I have noticed many times through the years how a trailer mix will be noticeably different vs the same scene in the actual film.

Yeah this one just seemed exceptional though. I had the Crowson transducers on and the couch shook violently and completely caught me off guard. Really need someone else with the 3d version to play some scenes and then go straight to the 3d trailer in extras and feel/hear the difference. It is remarkable!
post #7545 of 16164
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Mwtif wasn't as bad a movie as everyone makes it out to be. By great bass in it yes.


X2!

After some of the negative comments I was prepared for much worse.
Turns out I was totally impressed and thoroughly entertained from start to finish.

The LFE//ULF ranks about as good as it gets for most of the movie, vs some movies on the list with just one or two scenes.

I'm totally happy to have this one in my collection for $20
post #7546 of 16164
Wow, mwtif is my go to ref demo movie now, it just unseated underworld, and tron. Pure fun nonstop ulf. I give it 5 1/2 stars.:d
post #7547 of 16164
I have two problems with Man With the Iron Fist.

1) Related to this thread, the bass in MWTIF, while relatively big in quantity, is not great in quality. It's mostly just 20-40hz sweeps, or the reverse, with varying levels. The same effects are used and reused throughout the movie. The production of the mix sounds artless and overused. If all you want is a lot of bass, this movie will give it to you, although it's certainly not anywhere near the most from any film. Looks like it's ranked at a 4.5 on maxmercy's project at Data-bass.com (last page).

It has very little ULF. In fact, if you look at the charts, it has significant rolloff below 20hz. This means it was mixed to sound "OOOH AHHH!" impressive to folks that don't know any better; it seems like it's not much more than a, "Hear that? That's a sub-woofer!" mix. However, this is a critical bass thread, and we most certainly do know better.

2) You guys can like what you want; I have no quarrel with that. But, tangentially related to this thread, the movie is crudely made. There is nothing entertaining, engaging, or immersive. Just about every aspect of it is exceedingly obvious and grossly exaggerated (bass included), and not in a good way. Can you imagine it winning any awards for anything, and from anybody? It's just mindless bass sweeps, terrible wire fu, gratuitous blood splatters, and characters grinning or grimacing ridiculously at each other - all repeated ad nauseum. MWTIF was made with no imagination, with very little skill, and that goes for the bass as well.
Edited by nube - 4/7/13 at 7:36am
post #7548 of 16164
I should've redbox MWTIF yesterday just to see what all the hubbub is about. Side note I watched Poseidon for the first time on BD and it had some decent bass and I agree with the 3 star rating.
post #7549 of 16164
A little shift here. I picked up the Jurassic Park trilogy yesterday on BD and watched the first disk last night and I have to say what a fantastic soundtrack!!! I have never really been into the Jurassic park thing, but I have to say this was done right. Probably not the deepest of bass but the bass was great with the foot steps. The whole soundtrack just worked great together. Looking forward to the next two discs.
Edited by Reefdvr27 - 4/7/13 at 11:14am
post #7550 of 16164
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I have two problems with Man With the Iron Fist.

1) Related to this thread, the bass in MWTIF, while relatively big in quantity, is not great in quality. It's mostly just 20-40hz sweeps, or the reverse, with varying levels. The same effects are used and reused throughout the movie. The production of the mix sounds artless and overused. If all you want is a lot of bass, this movie will give it to you, although it's certainly not anywhere near the most from any film. Looks like it's ranked at a 4.5 on maxmercy's project at Data-bass.com (last page).

It has very little ULF. In fact, if you look at the charts, it has significant rolloff below 20hz. This means it was mixed to sound "OOOH AHHH!" impressive to folks that don't know any better; it seems like it's not much more than a, "Hear that? That's a sub-woofer!" mix. However, this is a critical bass thread, and we most certainly do know better.

2) You guys can like what you want; I have no quarrel with that. But, tangentially related to this thread, the movie is crudely made. There is nothing entertaining, engaging, or immersive. Just about every aspect of it is exceedingly obvious and grossly exaggerated (bass included), and not in a good way. Can you imagine it winning any awards for anything, and from anybody? It's just mindless bass sweeps, terrible wire fu, gratuitous blood splatters, and characters grinning or grimacing ridiculously at each other - all repeated ad nauseum. MWTIF was made with no imagination, with very little skill, and that goes for the bass as well.

Either you or I missed the intended point of the film I think. tongue.gif From my perspective, and similar to something like Hot Fuzz, the exceedingly obvious and grossly over exaggeration in nearly every way was very deliberate in a combination of homage, spoof and even comedic spirit. Was this not intentional because that is how I saw it and from that perspective, the movie was highly entertaining and even a bit funny (which I assumed was the goal of the filmmakers). Movies are VERY subjective though and one persons pain is another's pleasure, so there is no right or wrong answer here and will change depending on the individual.

In light of the (I assume) intentional overblown action/film, the audio/LFE fit the film perfectly I thought and the repetitious moments were there for a purpose from my perspective (as opposed to something like The Avengers which feels repetitive without purpose and because of this feels a bit lazy). The overdone LFE made sense here and fit the over the top story/action, same with the surround element which was incredibly aggressive and highly imaginative.

Even if we judge this film strictly from objective means, it received 5 stars for both extension and level at db.com even with the roll off. Execution is debatable depending on your perspective of the film and I found this element to be excellent as well for all the reasons I mentioned above.

Is it my favorite LFE film? Absolutely not, but it is a lot of fun and is certainly a highly entertaining film for not only LFE heads IMO, but sound fans in general. It certainly wont take over my personal LFE favorites such as TIH, Matrix Revolutions, Tron Legacy, HTTYD, Underworld Awakening, etc.........but a solid 4.5 star film from my perspective and by how I judge in accordance with my system.

Overall, I would rate it a 4.5.

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Originally Posted by nube View Post


It has very little ULF. In fact, if you look at the charts, it has significant rolloff below 20hz. This means it was mixed to sound "OOOH AHHH!" impressive to folks that don't know any better; it seems like it's not much more than a, "Hear that? That's a sub-woofer!" mix. However, this is a critical bass thread, and we most certainly do know better.
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So what? We are not talking The Hobbit filtering here as the film still digs pretty deep and even with the roll off, it still gets down to 9hz going off db.com. Maybe the folks that found this impressive are just generally impressed with this type of LFE. Does that make them wrong and warrant the type of comment you made above? rolleyes.gif There is certainly some subjective element to all this and just because you were not impressed does not mean others cant be. This also partially comes back to how you perceived the film in the first place at which point the bass could be more thought of one way (yours) vs another (someone who enjoyed it). I think the above paragraph of yours though is uncalled for in light of all that.
Edited by Toe - 4/7/13 at 9:29am
post #7551 of 16164
If films here don't go ULF, i.e. 5hz and have a lot of it, people here will be hard pressed to give it five stars...My system only goes to about 16Hz, but I don't think a film that has tons of 20-40hz bass deserves five stars personally.
post #7552 of 16164
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Originally Posted by McStyvie View Post

If films here don't go ULF, i.e. 5hz and have a lot of it, people here will be hard pressed to give it five stars...My system only goes to about 16Hz, but I don't think a film that has tons of 20-40hz bass deserves five stars personally.

Can you give us guys with weenie systems a break here? Reference is >20Hz and I just got our system to do a solid 19Hz; +/-3db in the all important 19hz to 78Hz range. tongue.gif
post #7553 of 16164
Well, Toe, you pretty much ignored my comment that I have no problem with other people liking it. However, the vast, vast majority of people who have seen and rated this movie, from critics (who, as paid professionals, certainly know good parody when they see it) to average Joes like us, rate it terrible according to IMDB, RottenTomatoes and MetaCritic. To repeat - you're free to like whatever you like, though.

As to how low it goes, if you look at the graph (and not just read JSS's comments), you'll see that that 9hz is barely achieved. It has steep rolloff from 20hz, with a small comeback at 12-14hz, then drops like a rock thereafter. According to the extension criteria, this comeback basically saved its -10dB point. Without it, it's basically a 16hz film. That ain't bad, but it also ain't great. Extension isn't everything, but it's something.

The bass quality in this flick is terrible, though there is a lot of it. Think about it critically - there are mostly just sweeps up and down, with effects used and reused. Objectively, there isn't much variance, hence my comments about it being a mix made only to note the use of a sub, not really to use it artfully. If you merely want the presence of bass frequencies, again, I have no problem with that. It ain't my bag, though. I want the artful, varied, and ingenious use of them to aid in the film's immersiveness and my suspension of disbelief.

These types of comments from critics are exactly how I feel about it:
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Lunatic, slipshod, absurdly violent, horribly acted, and borderline incomprehensible.
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There's little happening here except slavish imitation and embarrassing hackwork.
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At 96 minutes it is exactly 93 1/2 minutes too long.

I have tried watching it all the way through twice, and didn't make it. I'm not gonna try again. To sum up my feelings
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Psychopaths will love it.
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

Can you give us guys with weenie systems a break here? Reference is >20Hz and I just got our system to do a solid 19Hz; +/-3db in the all important 19hz to 78Hz range. tongue.gif

Edit: Dolby LFE spec, as a reference, is actually 3-120hz, afaik.
Edited by nube - 4/7/13 at 11:15am
post #7554 of 16164
From the THX web site.

Heading: "A Mighty Subwoofer"

" For this reason, THX Certified Subwoofers must extend to 20Hz (-6dB) to handle the very highest bass levels with ease."

Here, we use +/-3dB and THX uses -6dB.

Yes I understand, this is a bit of a wonky standard. Some here extend the reference standard to be 3Hz to 20kHz and do so with the understanding, this standard, due to subwoofer driver limitations and locatibility problems above 80Hz, is not rational.

I'm just trying to kid you guys with your uber cool capabilities vs the rest of us whom are happy to be able to break 20Hz and still be in the +/-3dB standard or what I call a solid 20Hz. A couple of nights ago, we finally were able to listen to the 2004 version of FOTP as it was intended to be listened to. biggrin.gif

As to getting lower then what we're currently capable of, we'd have to spend a good two to four thousand dollars so that's not going happen anytime soon.

Boo-hoo us. tongue.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 4/7/13 at 11:10am
post #7555 of 16164
Yes everyone can enjoy what they choose. But as a massive Bruce Lee fan, here is my take.

TMWTIF = http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/7170#post_23024450

TMWTIF = http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/7170#post_23024921

On a side note, I am 30% done watching I Am Bruce Lee documentary. After watching this, TMWTIF sucked even more.

Back to weekend movies!
post #7556 of 16164
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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

From the THX web site.

Heading: "A Mighty Subwoofer"

" For this reason, THX Certified Subwoofers must extend to 20Hz (-6dB) to handle the very highest bass levels with ease."

Here, we use +/-3dB and THX uses -6dB.

I apologize. I was thinking the LFE channel spec from Dolby, which is 3-120hz
post #7557 of 16164
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

I apologize. I was thinking the LFE channel spec from Dolby, which is 3-120hz

Ya buy a diamond, who's standards is the certificate based on? That sort of thing. It's hard for anybody to keep up with all these various sound standards running around. I should have posted I was using the THX reference standard. Again, i was simply throwing out a compliment to you guys and your systems that are capable of digging with authority, so low as the rest of us are happy in our struggles when we break 20Hz.
post #7558 of 16164
Nube,

I understand what you are saying, but my general perception of the film was apparently different vs most which I am fine with. Dont get me wrong as it was no award winner or anything, but viewing it as somewhat of a spoof, homage and comedy mix which is how I thought it meant to be viewed, it worked well enough for me and was fun and entertaining. It is very subjective though obviously.

I understand what you are saying about the generic quality of the bass, but considering the film and my perspective of it, I dont see this as a negative necessarily for THIS film in particular. Again, I do see this as a negative in general most of the time and I have this complaint with certain tracks at times like I mentioned with The Avengers which to me felt a bit recycled and generic as far as the bass (not to mention the filter) after a while.

Good point about the extension as I had not looked at the graph and this track obviously does not dig as deep as the best out there. Having said that, my PB13s "only" dig down to about 14hz, so subjectively (which this particular thread is based to some degree) I did not find anything lacking here in my setup and again this is certainly no "Hobbit" filtering issue.

My vote still stands at 4.5 all things considered.
Edited by Toe - 4/7/13 at 12:09pm
post #7559 of 16164
FOTP?
post #7560 of 16164
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

FOTP?

"Flight of the Phoenix"
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