or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts - Page 289

post #8641 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

You link points to Die Hard 5. The OP was talking about the new Oz movie. confused.gif

Reload it. It sure links to Oz for me. smile.gif

(I think it has to do with image loading that sometimes screws up html anchors. A simple reload of the page will make it work.)
post #8642 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by nube View Post

It has some very strong bass scenes, but it definitely doesn't unseat WOTW, Looper, or FOTP as the overall bass champs because it doesn't go low enough. Here are some preliminary graphs:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/8430#post_23388629

While it has some content down low, none of it is high amplitude. The strongest content in the movie is primarily 30-50hz. It's LOUD and used to great effect, and the movie is surprisingly not terrible, but it's no 5 star if extension is a criteria.

Let's wait for more graphs on this one, I suspect there's a lot going on down there and I'm giving it 5 stars regardless biggrin.gif
post #8643 of 16104
It's loud enough and low enough .Combine that with all the surround channel effects , and it's become my new demo disk smile.gif
post #8644 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruzin View Post

It's loud enough and low enough .Combine that with all the surround channel effects , and it's become my new demo disk smile.gif

Yup! this is a reference mix that delivers big time , the off screen effects seemed very real in there sound and the dialog was outstanding and my gosh the bass, perfecto! If someone doesn't get an award for this, I'm grabbing my pitch fork biggrin.gif
post #8645 of 16104
I just watched this on Friday night and I must add my opinion. This was one of the best audio experiences I ever had in my theater. Everything about the audio was fantastic. Everything from mains to the surrounds to the bass was 100% golden. Even with my budget subs running 5dbs hot, it had my room shaking. During the tornado scene there was a lot of pressure and I could feel the bass in my chair. Overall the sound mix was very well done.
post #8646 of 16104
OZ just non stop insane bass! Even a good movie. Just make sure you have it in DTS. Mine loaded in Dolby digital stereo and there was nothing.
post #8647 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

OZ just non stop insane bass! Even a good movie. Just make sure you have it in DTS. Mine loaded in Dolby digital stereo and there was nothing.

Good point , indeed remember to insure its in DTS HD. Did anyone notice the beginning had a wonderful sounding mono track wink.gif pretty good stuff and a testament to the superb mix.
post #8648 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Good point , indeed remember to insure its in DTS HD. Did anyone notice the beginning had a wonderful sounding mono track wink.gif pretty good stuff and a testament to the superb mix.
I think I watched for about an hour in Dolby digital. Was starting to wounder what theses guys were talking about. Switched up to DTS HD and BAMM! I don't usually think about it because 99% of the time the oppo loads up in DTS.
post #8649 of 16104
Quote:
OZ just non stop insane bass! Even a good movie. Just make sure you have it in DTS. Mine loaded in Dolby digital stereo ...
I liked the fact that the BD actually contained a full-screen notification that the disc was defaulting to its stereo track, but that other choices were available in the disc's Audio menu. Nicely done! cool.gif

The movie was visually stunning; PQ and AQ were excellent; there were terrific moments of LFE; but the story was completely soul-less and disappointing. frown.gif

YMMV, of course. smile.gif
post #8650 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

I liked the fact that the BD actually contained a full-screen notification that the disc was defaulting to its stereo track, but that other choices were available in the disc's Audio menu. Nicely done! :cool)

I missed that the first time around. However there is indeed a notification.
post #8651 of 16104

Just finished watching OZ and the LFE was pretty good, especially near the end. I would give it a 4 out of 5 in the lfe department.

post #8652 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Just finished watching OZ and the LFE was pretty good, especially near the end. I would give it a 4 out of 5 in the lfe department.
Agreed
post #8653 of 16104
I'm sorry, but there is no way in Hades this unseats WOTW. It's a really good bass flick, I completely agree, but let's not get carried away. If you don't have subs capable of single digit response and/or some transducers to get that really low tactile feel, it's easy to lump good bass movies in with outstanding ones. I know this from my own experience. It's only then you can separate the men from the boys. Oz is good, but it can't hang with the real heavy-hitters (wotw, fotp, TIH, Immortals). Compare graphs and see where the weight of the bass lies in each.
post #8654 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

I'm sorry, but there is no way in Hades this unseats WOTW. It's a really good bass flick, I completely agree, but let's not get carried away. If you don't have subs capable of single digit response and/or some transducers to get that really low tactile feel, it's easy to lump good bass movies in with outstanding ones. I know this from my own experience. It's only then you can separate the men from the boys. Oz is good, but it can't hang with the real heavy-hitters (wotw, fotp, TIH, Immortals). Compare graphs and see where the weight of the bass lies in each.

We shall see indeed on this one , and my sub is indeed capable of single digits and stand by my solid 5 on "Oz" and as a testament to its prowess I ran it 6db hot at reference on WOTW eek.gif and to honest words can't describe it. And while that single digit bass is stellar when it couples to the room and causes that silent shutter ,its still part of a complete spectrum to which bass as a whole is judged.

This should be good biggrin.gif
post #8655 of 16104
There are already screen caps up of the best bass scenes of the movie a few pages back. As Nube pointed out, its strongest content is 30-50 Hz, whereas WOTW, TIH, both have STRONG content down to 2 Hz. But, this thread on this site is necessarily mostly based on subjective impressions, as there is no standard criteria. There's value is both types of analysis. Objectively, though, I don't see this being a 5 star click once the db.com measurements are completed. But you're right, we shall see.
post #8656 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by arnyk View Post

Probably to avoid wasting speaker and amplifier power on signals that give most listeners insufficient listening enjoyment.
I hope not.

I just don't get the filter. If they want to cater to all crowds, do it a la WOTW. It has great bass no matter what sub(s) you have, and if you are fortunate to have subs that go to 2hz, well, it has that too!

I would love to see more movies with bass across the board. It just makes the ULF stuff even better when you add some mid-bas slam to it IMO.

Oh, and th DIY discussions on this thread have got me thinking about a 18" 1600W 6.1 cubic foot sub for my apartment lol...the wife is gonna kill me.
post #8657 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by capricorn kid View Post

IThis was one of the best audio experiences I ever had in my theater. Everything about the audio was fantastic. Everything from mains to the surrounds to the bass was 100% golden. Even with my budget subs running 5dbs hot, it had my room shaking. During the tornado scene there was a lot of pressure and I could feel the bass in my chair. Overall the sound mix was very well done.

I could say the same thing about Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol on Blu-ray disc.
post #8658 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by capricorn kid View Post

IThis was one of the best audio experiences I ever had in my theater. Everything about the audio was fantastic. Everything from mains to the surrounds to the bass was 100% golden. Even with my budget subs running 5dbs hot, it had my room shaking. During the tornado scene there was a lot of pressure and I could feel the bass in my chair. Overall the sound mix was very well done.

I could say the same thing about Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol on Blu-ray disc.
post #8659 of 16104
Yes, a single sealed sub may do single digits but not at high levels of spl to matter unless the room is very small. I would love to see a compression graph of said sub to see what you are really getting. Subs have their limits and there are reasons why you see many crazy multiple sealed systems here, so they don't compress at reference at 5hz.
post #8660 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by McStyvie View Post

I just don't get the filter. If they want to cater to all crowds, do it a la WOTW. It has great bass no matter what sub(s) you have, and if you are fortunate to have subs that go to 2hz, well, it has that too!.

I guess the studios don't care about folks who have subs that can go that deep.

Wouldn't it be nice to experience WOTW in a home theater with 4 of these monsters? eek.gif
post #8661 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

I guess the studios don't care about folks who have subs that can go that deep.

Wouldn't it be nice to experience WOTW in a home theater with 4 of these monsters? eek.gif

Perhaps if anyone could ever buy them!
post #8662 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by McStyvie View Post

I just don't get the filter. If they want to cater to all crowds, do it a la WOTW. It has great bass no matter what sub(s) you have, and if you are fortunate to have subs that go to 2hz, well, it has that too!

I would love to see more movies with bass across the board. It just makes the ULF stuff even better when you add some mid-bas slam to it IMO.

Oh, and th DIY discussions on this thread have got me thinking about a 18" 1600W 6.1 cubic foot sub for my apartment lol...the wife is gonna kill me.

Do you guys realize how small the target audience is of people who even know of, much less remotely care about, infrasound content (less than 16Hz)? I bet you could fit that small crowd into a decent sized high school gym... I'd guestimate under a thousand people across the world, easily. Most of which are on this and the DB threads. Throw in X amount of industry professionals who care about infrasound content and......Well......We have no voice!

I actually made a linkedin group about it a few weeks back.

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Home-Theater-Infrasound-Reproduction-4991800?trk=myg_ugrp_ovr

I did it to be goofy, but hey... If it ever gained traction to get the attention of industry professionals, cool!
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolcat4843 View Post

I guess the studios don't care about folks who have subs that can go that deep.

Wouldn't it be nice to experience WOTW in a home theater with 4 of [URL=http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/post/undefined/p
ost?id=4666795&trail=20#1]these[/URL] monsters? eek.gif

That would indeed be an experience, but 4 or even 8 of the terraforms would not be able to take full advantage of all of the content that WOTW has to offer... Just the nature of the ported design.

smile.gif

However, I have a gut feeling that we are going to be seeing some more info/listening impressions on those big guys soon.
post #8663 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Do you guys realize how small the target audience is of people who even know of, much less remotely care about, infrasound content (less than 16Hz)? I bet you could fit that small crowd into a decent sized high school gym... I'd guestimate under a thousand people across the world, easily. Most of which are on this and the DB threads. Throw in X amount of industry professionals who care about infrasound content and......Well......We have no voice!

I actually made a linkedin group about it a few weeks back.

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Home-Theater-Infrasound-Reproduction-4991800?trk=myg_ugrp_ovr

I did it to be goofy, but hey... If it ever gained traction to get the attention of industry professionals, cool!
That would indeed be an experience, but 4 or even 8 of the terraforms would not be able to take full advantage of all of the content that WOTW has to offer... Just the nature of the ported design.

smile.gif

However, I have a gut feeling that we are going to be seeing some more info/listening impressions on those big guys soon.

Technically speaking, what is the downside of the ported design? Or the horn design like the OS? Or a sealed design?
post #8664 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Technically speaking, what is the downside of the ported design? Or the horn design like the OS? Or a sealed design?

Ported drivers unload below the tuning frequency requiring a HPF to keep from bottoming. Sealed don't have this problem, but do suffer from steep rolloffs down low requiring more power and a shelf filter to bring up the low end.
post #8665 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I actually made a linkedin group about it a few weeks back.

Joined (pending approval anyway) - why not? Well, besides the fact that my pair of folded horns really only get me to the high teens
post #8666 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Technically speaking, what is the downside of the ported design? Or the horn design like the OS? Or a sealed design?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

Ported drivers unload below the tuning frequency requiring a HPF to keep from bottoming. Sealed don't have this problem, but do suffer from steep rolloffs down low requiring more power and a shelf filter to bring up the low end.

+1

Horn's experience (what I perceive to be) a similar phenomenon, but instead of "port tune" it's often referred to as the "horn load" frequency. I might have to defer to others more knowledgeable on the subject than I if you need further elaboration. Here is a reference from MK I found useful comparing the GH to the OS. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1247005/official-jtr-orbit-shifter-subwoofer-thread/600_100#post_23423266

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I MK's post as meaning that the sealed chamber of the OS will at least offer something in the ULF range vs the tapped horn just completely unloading.
post #8667 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Joined (pending approval anyway) - why not? Well, besides the fact that my pair of folded horns really only get me to the high teens

Couldn't just open it up to anyone. It's a very selective group...lol j/k

Oh man, three request in 10min! I might have to start taking it a bit more seriously.

Who wants to help with a logo...

biggrin.gif
post #8668 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Couldn't just open it up to anyone. It's a very selective group...lol j/k

Oh man, three request in 10min! I might have to start taking it a bit more seriously.

Who wants to help with a logo...

biggrin.gif

Perhaps I will finally join LinkedIn. I keep getting requests, for awhile now...
post #8669 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Do you guys realize how small the target audience is of people who even know of, much less remotely care about, infrasound content (less than 16Hz)? I bet you could fit that small crowd into a decent sized high school gym... I'd guestimate under a thousand people across the world, easily. Most of which are on this and the DB threads. Throw in X amount of industry professionals who care about infrasound content and......Well......We have no voice!

I actually made a linkedin group about it a few weeks back.

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/Home-Theater-Infrasound-Reproduction-4991800?trk=myg_ugrp_ovr

I did it to be goofy, but hey... If it ever gained traction to get the attention of industry professionals, cool!
That would indeed be an experience, but 4 or even 8 of the terraforms would not be able to take full advantage of all of the content that WOTW has to offer... Just the nature of the ported design.

smile.gif

However, I have a gut feeling that we are going to be seeing some more info/listening impressions on those big guys soon.

True, but I do wonder how much money/effort it actually takes to add(delete in the case of filter?) that sub 20 hz stuff for those who may enjoy it? If we are talking hundreds of thousands to ditch it, or to eliminate it, I can understand from a business point of view, but given that there are movies with small budgets which go below it makes me think otherwise! If they catered across the board, i.e. sub 10 - 80 hz in the action scenes, would that break the bank?

But like you said, it is the rare person who actually gives a crap about it, so probably not even on the radar of most execs at sound studios. We have to make them aware lol!
post #8670 of 16104
Quote:
Originally Posted by popalock View Post


+1

Horn's experience (what I perceive to be) a similar phenomenon, but instead of "port tune" it's often referred to as the "horn load" frequency. I might have to defer to others more knowledgeable on the subject than I if you need further elaboration. Here is a reference from MK I found useful comparing the GH to the OS. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1247005/official-jtr-orbit-shifter-subwoofer-thread/600_100#post_23423266

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I MK's post as meaning that the sealed chamber of the OS will at least offer something in the ULF range vs the tapped horn just completely unloading.

Ok yes, I remember that post. Now what does it mean the Orbit Shifter acts as a sealed sub below the 22hz tune?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Audio › Subwoofers, Bass, and Transducers › The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts