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post #8731 of 16208
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Saw that in theaters this past Sunday. The action in that movie was borderline ridiculous.

I tried to enjoy it, but they had it LOUD and it felt like this particular theater was neutered more than most.

Should be fun if the content is there. At least more enjoyable IMHO.

It was perfect in the theater I was in. The theater seats were constantly shaking, probably a total of 15 minutes of SHAKING at least in the movie lol. The gravity beam thing has such ULF potential
post #8732 of 16208
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Saw that in theaters this past Sunday. The action in that movie was borderline ridiculous.

I tried to enjoy it, but they had it LOUD and it felt like this particular theater was neutered more than most.

Should be fun if the content is there. At least more enjoyable IMHO.
Loud??? I never expected to hear that from you tongue.gif

The next few years are going to be off the hook for the theaters and then to H/T.

In no order
Transformers 4
Iron Man 3
Man of Steal
Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters
Avengers 2
Avatar 2
Fast & Furious 6
Pacific Rim
Thor The Dark World
Captain America The Winter Soldier
The Lone Ranger
World War Z
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Wolverine
X-Men Days of Futures past
Promethus 2
Edited by Reefdvr27 - 6/19/13 at 10:18am
post #8733 of 16208
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Originally Posted by club968 View Post

Bullet to the Head. Low frequency rumble fest!

Huh? The BD doesn't even get released till the middle of July.
post #8734 of 16208
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Loud??? I never expected to hear that from you tongue.gif

The next few years are going to be off the hook for the theaters and then to H/T.

In no order
Transformers 4
Iron Man 3
Man of Steal
Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters
Avengers 2
Avatar 2
Fast & Furious 6
Pacific Rim
Thor The Dark World
Captain America The Winter Soldier
The Lone Ranger
World War Z
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Wolverine
X-Men Days of Futures past
Promethus 2

It will be awesome...provided they don't filter all these titles.
post #8735 of 16208
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Originally Posted by JWagstaff View Post

if man of steel isn't filtered it will be like 2 hours straight of ULF bass.

I'm confused by this statement, since theatres are not capable of going nearly as low as most of us have in our dedicated rooms. No matter how they filter it, it should sound at least as good at home.
post #8736 of 16208
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

I'm confused by this statement, since theatres are not capable of going nearly as low as most of us have in our dedicated rooms. No matter how they filter it, it should sound at least as good at home.

How is it confusing? ULF means <20 hz, meaning , we don't know if the content is there yet as theaters can't play it. But based on what happens in the movie, if they "realistically" made the sound of buildings collapsing, the entire earth compressing, etc. there is a lot of sub 20hz potential.

But yes, even if it's filtered, it will still sound great, I thought man of steel sounded the best I've ever heard a movie in a commercial theater.
post #8737 of 16208
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

Huh? The BD doesn't even get released till the middle of July.

Critics and industry people routinely get copies more than a month in advance of retail. Plus, it looks like the BR and other sized versions have been available via "alternative" methods since at least 30 days ago.

This movie is an absolute stinker, though. Not worth wasting 92min of your life just to maybe hear some repeated, unimaginative bass.
post #8738 of 16208
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Was it an IMAX? Or regular?

Theater was called Bowtie Cinemas. Not your mainstream Rave, Regal or MAX type of theater, but it wasn't some back yard po-dunk operation. Probably the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in at a commercial theater.

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Originally Posted by JWagstaff View Post

It was perfect in the theater I was in. The theater seats were constantly shaking, probably a total of 15 minutes of SHAKING at least in the movie lol. The gravity beam thing has such ULF potential

Yeah, thanks for rubbing that in man.

tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Loud??? I never expected to hear that from you tongue.gif

Haha, you know how it is... I'll bathe in 120db clean and flat all damn day vs whatever the hell was going on in the theater I was in.

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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

The next few years are going to be off the hook for the theaters and then to H/T.

In no order
Transformers 4
Iron Man 3
Man of Steal
Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters
Avengers 2
Avatar 2
Fast & Furious 6
Pacific Rim
Thor The Dark World
Captain America The Winter Soldier
The Lone Ranger
World War Z
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Wolverine
X-Men Days of Futures past
Promethus 2

Sounds pretty epic. I saw a trailer for a "My Little Pony" movie coming out this year. Might want to add it to the list. Expecting big things from that one.

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Originally Posted by raistline View Post

It will be awesome...provided they don't filter all these titles.

I'm telling you guys, we need to unite as one voice on this issue. I'd venture to say that most movies are filtered for absolutely no reason at all other than the audio mixer/editor saying, "Huh, well no one cares about any content under 20Hz anyway, so I'll just filter this out because I can."

It's one of those things I personally feel are not even on the radar because 99.9% of commercial theaters don't touch 20Hz and 99.99% of individual's purchasing a movie don't have the capability to dig below 20Hz, much less even think about a movies bass response.

I wonder if filtering a movie adds additional cost vs mixing the content and leaving as is. Or does mixing content below 20Hz cost a production company more? Anyone have any idea?
post #8739 of 16208
We should just start a petition that the entire sound team/editor/mixer utilized on War Of The Worlds is utilized for each movie. That would solve a lot of problems!
post #8740 of 16208
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Originally Posted by djbluemax1 View Post

Has some decent bass in it, but AGTDH has more. Not a very good movie though, but somewhat OK for mindless popcorn entertainment.Max

That is exactly what I want mindless entertainment smile.gif
post #8741 of 16208
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Originally Posted by adpayne View Post

Huh? The BD doesn't even get released till the middle of July.

Damn youre right.....totally forgot that the U.S. is the only country in the world. What was I thinking.
post #8742 of 16208
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Critics and industry people routinely get copies more than a month in advance of retail. Plus, it looks like the BR and other sized versions have been available via "alternative" methods since at least 30 days ago.

This movie is an absolute stinker, though. Not worth wasting 92min of your life just to maybe hear some repeated, unimaginative bass.

Movie was a stinker to be sure but the bass is done very well. Explosions, gunfire, destruction full of low frequecy. I remember some random low frequency sweeps but overall was fun to listen to. Not watch mind you, but listen to.
post #8743 of 16208
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I'm telling you guys, we need to unite as one voice on this issue. I'd venture to say that most movies are filtered for absolutely no reason at all other than the audio mixer/editor saying, "Huh, well no one cares about any content under 20Hz anyway, so I'll just filter this out because I can."

It's one of those things I personally feel are not even on the radar because 99.9% of commercial theaters don't touch 20Hz and 99.99% of individual's purchasing a movie don't have the capability to dig below 20Hz, much less even think about a movies bass response.

I wonder if filtering a movie adds additional cost vs mixing the content and leaving as is. Or does mixing content below 20Hz cost a production company more? Anyone have any idea?

Popa,

Good luck on that one. Hollywood seems quite satisfied with its capabilities in the LFE department, and is looking to expand in other ways (ATMOS). One of the main reasons movies get filtered is headroom and loudness. If some ULF effects take up headroom (and they do) that won't ever get replicated on the mixing stage or the commercial theater, it is actually a pretty wise choice to get rid of it, and focus on what you can replicate. The other reason is loudness. A 70dB 20Hz tone is barely audible. A 70dB 80Hz tone 'sounds' about 40dB 'louder' than the 20Hz tone. By shifting the spectrum upward, you get a louder movie, and there appears to be a loudness war taking place in Hollywood, just as there was/is in music circles (http://turnmeup.org/). Listen to TDKR if you don't think so.

We (people who can replicate less than 1%THD 20Hz and below signals at a designated signal level, maybe even reference) are a very small minority. Think about how many folks now see films on their phones or pads, or even regular TV, to say nothing of the HTIB population who thinks 40Hz is the greatest thing since sliced bread (and for good reason, it beats out TV speakers by over an octave).

We simply wait for releases in which ULF effects are either left in, or generated. We get a few good ones every year (Looper, Dredd, WoTT in 2012), and huge letdowns on others. But to think Hollywood will change their practices based on what the very capable few think, I'm just not sure it is realistic. I really do not want to seem pessimistic here, just realistic. If you can get enough folks to sample the 'Popalock Experience', maybe you could get some groundswell going. But most folks I demo my theater to (15Hz capability), tell me later that they could 'never have subwoofers that big' in their house, or similar things......many enjoy the experience, but few really would want to have it at home, just like you probably wouldn't want that rollercoaster in your backyard (well......)


JSS
post #8744 of 16208
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post


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Originally Posted by raistline View Post

It will be awesome...provided they don't filter all these titles.

I'm telling you guys, we need to unite as one voice on this issue. I'd venture to say that most movies are filtered for absolutely no reason at all other than the audio mixer/editor saying, "Huh, well no one cares about any content under 20Hz anyway, so I'll just filter this out because I can."

It's one of those things I personally feel are not even on the radar because 99.9% of commercial theaters don't touch 20Hz and 99.99% of individual's purchasing a movie don't have the capability to dig below 20Hz, much less even think about a movies bass response.

I wonder if filtering a movie adds additional cost vs mixing the content and leaving as is. Or does mixing content below 20Hz cost a production company more? Anyone have any idea?




This has been discussed in detail earlier in this thread. If you are interested, review the discussion in the link below for a starting point. You have to work your way back from this link to find the staring point of the ULF discussion.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/3600#post_22007127
post #8745 of 16208
Jack The Giant Slayer had incredible bass. I don't care if it didn't go below 20hz, beneath 25hz I already get enough satisfying room pressurization and my couch starts shaking. My PC13 shuck the whole room when that tree grew out of the house. Very powerful and deep bass throughout the whole film. Probably the best bassy film I've seen since Transformer 3, and lucky the movie itself was a lot better.

Die Hard 5 was also had very nice bass. The car chase was disappointing, just nothing very deep. But after that it gets a lot better. Maybe not as much bass moments as Jack The Giant Slayer but still more then enough and it goes very deep at times.
post #8746 of 16208
Hey guys. Gonna check out Man of Steel in IMAX this weekend. Where is the optimal seat?
post #8747 of 16208
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Hey guys. Gonna check out Man of Steel in IMAX this weekend. Where is the optimal seat?

Generally 3rd row from the back, if it's a big theater then maybe 5th or 6th row from the back, wherever your eyes are staring straight at the screen is best. And of course the middle of the row for best surround and you won't have to turn your head.
post #8748 of 16208
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Hey guys. Gonna check out Man of Steel in IMAX this weekend. Where is the optimal seat?
When I saw Tron in IMAX I was all alone. I kept climbing up the rows til I found the best seat which seemed about 2/3 the way up in the middle. It put me about the center or just slightly above the middle of the screen.
post #8749 of 16208
^cool. I was just curios where the audio sweet spot (s) are in those big rooms. I was generally thinking 2/3 way up and middle
post #8750 of 16208
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

^cool. I was just curios where the audio sweet spot (s) are in those big rooms. I was generally thinking 2/3 way up and middle

You could always use the Sheldon method.

 

post #8751 of 16208
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

You could always use the Sheldon method.



Yes I had that in mind
post #8752 of 16208
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Originally Posted by JWagstaff View Post

if man of steel isn't filtered it will be like 2 hours straight of ULF bass.

In respect to the bass department I think it will either be very potent or really bad.
post #8753 of 16208
I sat on the same row for SM as I did Die hard 5 and DH 5 had a good 5-10 dbs stronger bass throughout. I was more entertained by Superman than DH so I may not have noticed the bass as much...I was NOT at theMoore World Class Warren IMAX this time but it was a decent theater.
post #8754 of 16208
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Originally Posted by hometheatergeek View Post

You could always use the Sheldon method.


I do this! Problem is once my wife is IN a row she will not move so I have to be sure the first time! I will NOT give out the sweet spot location for the Warren IMAX.....[SIZE
Edited by SbWillie - 6/21/13 at 1:28pm
post #8755 of 16208
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post


I'm telling you guys, we need to unite as one voice on this issue. I'd venture to say that most movies are filtered for absolutely no reason at all other than the audio mixer/editor saying, "Huh, well no one cares about any content under 20Hz anyway, so I'll just filter this out because I can."

It's one of those things I personally feel are not even on the radar because 99.9% of commercial theaters don't touch 20Hz and 99.99% of individual's purchasing a movie don't have the capability to dig below 20Hz, much less even think about a movies bass response.

I wonder if filtering a movie adds additional cost vs mixing the content and leaving as is. Or does mixing content below 20Hz cost a production company more? Anyone have any idea?

If you do decide to do this, ill definetely sign a petition or whatever it takes....there have been way to many titles this year that have been filtered. I have 3 Submersives and played the hobbit at reference...the woofers werent even flexing lol.
post #8756 of 16208
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

If you do decide to do this, ill definetely sign a petition or whatever it takes....there have been way to many titles this year that have been filtered. I have 3 Submersives and played the hobbit at reference...the woofers werent even flexing lol.
+1
post #8757 of 16208
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

If you do decide to do this, ill definetely sign a petition or whatever it takes....there have been way to many titles this year that have been filtered. I have 3 Submersives and played the hobbit at reference...the woofers werent even flexing lol.

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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

+1

Join us...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/8600_100#post_23436642
post #8758 of 16208
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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

This has been discussed in detail earlier in this thread. If you are interested, review the discussion in the link below for a starting point. You have to work your way back from this link to find the staring point of the ULF discussion.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/3600#post_22007127

So is the discussion before other after the post you reference above?
post #8759 of 16208
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

If you do decide to do this, ill definetely sign a petition or whatever it takes....there have been way to many titles this year that have been filtered. I have 3 Submersives and played the hobbit at reference...the woofers werent even flexing lol.

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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

+1


Same here, I'll check this out this weekend hopefully..
post #8760 of 16208
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

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Originally Posted by J_Palmer_Cass View Post

This has been discussed in detail earlier in this thread. If you are interested, review the discussion in the link below for a starting point. You have to work your way back from this link to find the staring point of the ULF discussion.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333462/the-new-master-list-of-bass-in-movies-with-frequency-charts/3600#post_22007127

So is the discussion before other after the post you reference above?




The discussion starts before that posting and lingers on after that posting.


Click on the icon located beside the posters name to see the previous posting on the topic.
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