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post #8911 of 16108
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

It depends on where you put it. IME, with my sub in a corner taking advantage of room gain I found that flipping it around to where it faces the corner gave me a slightly smoother FR and raised the level from 4 to 6 db. Part of that could simply be attributed to the fact that the driver and port are now 26 inches closer to the corner (sub depth dimension). I have the front firing FV15HP.

can you please show me a picture of how youre subwoofer facing? so that i will get an idea how am i gonna place mine. thanks hope you post a pic. thanks
post #8912 of 16108
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

You are really off bass here (see what I did here..)

Soundworks Collection is not involved with audio production for films in anyway. He is a journalist running a website that highlights all things sound for film.

Man Of Steel was supervised by Scott Hecker (who has done all of ZS's films except LOTG) and mixed at Warner Brother by Chris Jenkins and Frank Montano (again long time ZS collaborators.)

There is no practical reason that an authoring house would filter LFE... what you are seeing 99% of the time is the result of how the soundtrack was created from the get go, not some grand conspiracy to rob you of LFE...

What would be the point in ever filtering the audio for HT vs. theatrical....

Please don't disparage Michael Coleman and Soundworks without knowing what you are talking about... he does great work, and it's really a nice way for film sound professionals to get their work recognized.

I see what you did there! LOL!.

Thanks for clarification!...I stand corrected. It just sucks we have to put up with sub par LFE in some big budget movies lately...biggest dissapointment was The Hobbit and The Avengers.

What is the reason for making the soundtracks like this from the get go?

Cheers,
post #8913 of 16108
Mrkazador:

Thanks so much for the graphs of Olympus Has Fallen. While I'm not sure about the movie's overall rating (guessing a 4.75-5), the scene with the Washington Monument may be the hottest ULF sequence I've seen sustained in any movie to date.

In case anyone wants to review it for themselves, the scene's exact timestamps are:

26:55 - 27:16 Olympus Has Fallen (Washington Monument scene)

Just be careful. I can see this scene bottoming out a lot of inadequately protected systems and/or drivers. You've been warned.

Flageborg:

I have no idea what you're getting at. The Hitchhiker's graph you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with, nor any relation to, your system. Why did you even bring it up?
post #8914 of 16108
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

can you please show me a picture of how youre subwoofer facing? so that i will get an idea how am i gonna place mine. thanks hope you post a pic. thanks
I could but since every room is different, it wouldn't do you much good. My room is rather large (24 x 24 x 10) and it's a difficult room to say the least. I have my FV15HP about 5 feet out from the right corner and it is positioned equally between the front and right wall. Again, the front of the sub is facing the corner which means of course that the control panel on the amplifier is facing out towards the LP. Definitely not a WAF position but there are certain things that just have to be over-ruled. eek.gifwink.gifsmile.gif Fortunately, my wife is VERY understanding.

What I would suggest is, if possible, move your sub approx 3 to 4 feet out from one of the two front corners and play around a bit. It really helps to have a sine wave test tone cd or download and an SPL meter. I spent many countless hours moving the sub to various locations throughout the room, playing test tones and analyzing the data. There were spots where the sub actually responded slightly better but were impractical due to location. The corner location was very close to the best and that is where it rests

Most every room has tradeoffs and mine is no exception. Good luck

BTW; here's a link to a good sine wave test tone download that is free.
post #8915 of 16108
^^^ I just wanted to add that to help facilitate moving your sub around, go to the local hardware store and get yourself some of those furniture sliders to put under the feet. There is no way I would have been able to move my 125lb Rythmik sub all over the room without them.
post #8916 of 16108
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Flageborg:
I have no idea what you're getting at. The Hitchhiker's graph you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with, nor any relation to, your system. Why did you even bring it up?

Nice to see you post a waterfall. I just wanted your comments, like you do for others. Why don't you post some more waterfalls?
post #8917 of 16108
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Originally Posted by nube View Post

Mrkazador:

Thanks so much for the graphs of Olympus Has Fallen. While I'm not sure about the movie's overall rating (guessing a 4.75-5), the scene with the Washington Monument may be the hottest ULF sequence I've seen sustained in any movie to date.

In case anyone wants to review it for themselves, the scene's exact timestamps are:

26:55 - 27:16 Olympus Has Fallen (Washington Monument scene)

Just be careful. I can see this scene bottoming out a lot of inadequately protected systems and/or drivers. You've been warned.

100% agreed. One of only a couple of scenes that havr clipped my amp at my typical playback levels, the other 2 being TIH Hulk cop car scene and the final dragon crash scene from HTTYD. Crazy.
post #8918 of 16108
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

I could but since every room is different, it wouldn't do you much good. My room is rather large (24 x 24 x 10) and it's a difficult room to say the least. I have my FV15HP about 5 feet out from the right corner and it is positioned equally between the front and right wall. Again, the front of the sub is facing the corner which means of course that the control panel on the amplifier is facing out towards the LP. Definitely not a WAF position but there are certain things that just have to be over-ruled. eek.gifwink.gifsmile.gif Fortunately, my wife is VERY understanding.

What I would suggest is, if possible, move your sub approx 3 to 4 feet out from one of the two front corners and play around a bit. It really helps to have a sine wave test tone cd or download and an SPL meter. I spent many countless hours moving the sub to various locations throughout the room, playing test tones and analyzing the data. There were spots where the sub actually responded slightly better but were impractical due to location. The corner location was very close to the best and that is where it rests

Most every room has tradeoffs and mine is no exception. Good luck

BTW; here's a link to a good sine wave test tone download that is free.
I assume you had already tried sub facing the main LP and prefer facing corner instead. I like the feeling of the air blowing my feet having the front ports facing me on my FV 15HP.
post #8919 of 16108
Holy crap! Can't wait to watch OHF!!!
post #8920 of 16108
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post+1 Though I must say that this thread in particular has found me buying stuff for too much money only because it comes so highly recommended. Oz, The Great and Powerful was the latest blu to find me going beyond my limit.

Should be down in November TG, for now I will rent it :)

post #8921 of 16108
Just watched Wrath of the Titans last night. Wow! Definitely deserves that 5 star rating. I didn't know it was on the list. So this movie caught me by suprise.
post #8922 of 16108
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Originally Posted by Mrkazador View Post

Olympus Has Fallen 2013
DTS 1536kbps





Thanks for providing the captures. It's interesting that these potent LF moments are mostly under 30Hz, as I understand most of the ciniemas have hard time faithfully reproducing. Since I havn't had the chance to see it I'm intrigued by the overall experience for this seemingly ULF weighing soundtrack. Also curious to know what the sound designer and director were aiming for.
post #8923 of 16108
I just watched the monument scene from Olympus has fallen (26:24-27:22)
Mrkazador I have reason to believe your graphs are 10hz too deep. Either that or my BDrip was filtered at 30hz. Trying another source.
Second source also filtered at 30hz.



Is someone who listened to this scene able to confirm the strong 20hz content? I suppose its possible both my rips were filtered but I think this is unlikely.
post #8924 of 16108
That's weird... I have tested using a calibration DVD and if I remember correctly, I'm flat to 7hz.

I'll check later tonight that everything is alright on my end.
post #8925 of 16108
Any thoughts on Paradigm's DSP-3200?

This quote my attention:

"What’s special about the DSP-3200 is easy to miss unless you spot the USB port on the back panel. That little port lets this sub get its marching orders from Paradigm’s Perfect Bass Kit (PBK-1). This is a $99 option, but skimping would be a serious mistake. With the PBK, you can tune the sub to compensate for flaws in room acoustics: specifically, the bass unevenness that occurs in a high percentage of real-life home environments."

Thoughts?
post #8926 of 16108
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Originally Posted by spidey.joe80 View Post

I just watched the monument scene from Olympus has fallen (26:24-27:22)
Mrkazador I have reason to believe your graphs are 10hz too deep. Either that or my BDrip was filtered at 30hz. Trying another source.
Second source also filtered at 30hz.



Is someone who listened to this scene able to confirm the strong 20hz content? I suppose its possible both my rips were filtered but I think this is unlikely.

Absolutely has sub 20Hz content. My Buttkicker got a good workout.
post #8927 of 16108
Appologies Mrkazador. Just tried a third source which has the full content. I'm shocked someone took the time to filter those rips. prolly the mpaa biggrin.gif
Gonna go watch this beast now.
post #8928 of 16108
Forget the MPAA, watch out for the NSA!
post #8929 of 16108
I know this has been discussed before but I wanted to know what is the best way to watch movies with low frequencies like when the drop to 20hz or so and not have more issues with Tinnitus. I was told to keep it moderate to low volume but is it ok to listen to the low frequencies when they spike?
post #8930 of 16108
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

I know this has been discussed before but I wanted to know what is the best way to watch movies with low frequencies like when the drop to 20hz or so and not have more issues with Tinnitus. I was told to keep it moderate to low volume but is it ok to listen to the low frequencies when they spike?

I thought its mostly all high frequencies. I have read you can listen to bass with virtually no issues as it doesn't cause hearing loss but rather the loud 1k-3k that cause loss. Somebody who knows chime in smile.gif
post #8931 of 16108
The low frequencies could damage your ears, think being under water too deep, but this happens at very high spl's that we won't achieve.
post #8932 of 16108
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

The low frequencies could damage your ears, think being under water too deep, but this happens at very high spl's that we won't achieve.

How high spl level? 110 and over?
post #8933 of 16108
FWIW:

We recently saw the "Man of Steel" at a local IMAX cinema.
I hope what we experienced is NOT the norm for IMAX theaters >>> the volume was cranked to near the point of pain.
This is the 2nd time I have experienced excessive volume at an IMAX. Also the last time; in the future I will be bringing some form of hearing protection as a "just-in-case" IMAX measure next time.

However that said: I'm thinking the Man of Steel on Blu Ray has got the potential to be a 5.0 . I hope filtering does not come into play!
post #8934 of 16108
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

How high spl level? 110 and over?

Much higher
post #8935 of 16108
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Originally Posted by asere View Post

How high spl level? 110 and over?

Higher than this....for hours - no problem with frequencies below 100Hz




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post #8936 of 16108
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Originally Posted by cuzed2 View Post

FWIW:

We recently saw the "Man of Steel" at a local IMAX cinema.
I hope what we experienced is NOT the norm for IMAX theaters >>> the volume was cranked to near the point of pain.
This is the 2nd time I have experienced excessive volume at an IMAX. Also the last time; in the future I will be bringing some form of hearing protection as a "just-in-case" IMAX measure next time.

However that said: I'm thinking the Man of Steel on Blu Ray has got the potential to be a 5.0 . I hope filtering does not come into play!

Which IMAX? A digital IMAX, or a real IMAX?

There are issues with the digital IMAX theaters that use the nXos calibrator that employs Audyssey MultEQ XT. I have been to three with the same problems you experienced.

Audyssey allows some boost that may be well above the capability of the system in the liemax theaters.

JSS
post #8937 of 16108
Digital IMAX at a local AMC multiplex.
In fact the previous IMAX viewing was also at a digital IMAX....
post #8938 of 16108
How do you know the difference? I know the IMAX in buffalo sounds better than the IMAX in Albany and Whiteplains. The screen is bigger too! They all said laser calibrated.
post #8939 of 16108
Here's an explanation of IMAX versus "liemax".

http://www.slashfilm.com/qa-imax-theatre-real-imax-liemax/

His list of theaters at the end is incomplete, as I have confirmed one real IMAX that is missing from the list. The map he links to notes the one I go to, so it may be a good source.
post #8940 of 16108

Looks like Evil Dead (2013) has some decent lfe in the 20-30hz range. Some content at 10hz but nothing too loud there.

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