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post #211 of 3248
5/20/11 at 4:54pm
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My settings have a pretty high light output, so you can give them a try and see if they work for you.

Yes, the Avatar 3D disc also has the 2D version.

Do you still think I should give the WOW disc a try. I don't even know if I have the skill set to use it. Would it make a big difference then copying your settings? Thanks.
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post #212 of 3248
5/20/11 at 6:26pm
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Do you still think I should give the WOW disc a try. I don't even know if I have the skill set to use it. Would it make a big difference then copying your settings? Thanks.

Sure, give it a try. You won't be able calibrate the 10 pt settings without a meter, but you can play with the basics. Then compare your results with some of the settings posted here.
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post #213 of 3248
5/20/11 at 7:14pm
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Do you still think I should give the WOW disc a try. I don't even know if I have the skill set to use it. Would it make a big difference then copying your settings? Thanks.

Is this the best one to calibrate with, as far as dvd calibration goes? I thought the best one was that one with something like two last names and it's on blu-ray.
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post #214 of 3248
5/20/11 at 7:38pm
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Is this the best one to calibrate with, as far as dvd calibration goes? I thought the best one was that one with something like two last names and it's on blu-ray.

You're probably thinking of Spears & Munsil. I've never used the WOW disc, but I would guess that the test patterns are fairly similar.
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post #215 of 3248
5/20/11 at 7:38pm
I have a 64D7000. First I tried Tivo's settings, then the average settings. I think my picture looks pretty good, but I fired up the Pixar set up wizard on Up and my TV was "failing" both the brightness and contrast tests. The bars that were supposed to be barely visible were nearly invisible, and simple tweaking of the brightness/contrasts (i.e., a few 'notches' up and down) didn't fix the issue.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to easily tweak my settings to help with these tests? I am thinking of doing a factory reset, setting my TV to movie mode, and just tweaking on my own until I at least pass those two tests.
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post #216 of 3248
5/20/11 at 9:51pm
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Originally Posted by prophcy0 View Post

I have a 64D7000. First I tried Tivo's settings, then the average settings. I think my picture looks pretty good, but I fired up the Pixar set up wizard on Up and my TV was "failing" both the brightness and contrast tests. The bars that were supposed to be barely visible were nearly invisible, and simple tweaking of the brightness/contrasts (i.e., a few 'notches' up and down) didn't fix the issue.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to easily tweak my settings to help with these tests? I am thinking of doing a factory reset, setting my TV to movie mode, and just tweaking on my own until I at least pass those two tests.

If you are going to try calibrating on your own, check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496
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post #217 of 3248
5/21/11 at 6:37am
If i want to calibrate using my usb drive, which particular file do i download in the AVS HD 709 thread?
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post #218 of 3248
5/21/11 at 7:18am
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If i want to calibrate using my usb drive, which particular file do i download in the AVS HD 709 thread?

I'm not sure which one would be best for that, you may want to inquire on that thread. I used AVCHD file since I dont have a blu ray burner. It works great with my PS3.
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post #219 of 3248
5/21/11 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by bhambengal View Post

If you are going to try calibrating on your own, check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

Thanks for the link. I will try out that disc tonight.

Edit: Is the only way to perform a factory reset to go into the service menu?
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post #220 of 3248
5/21/11 at 2:13pm
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if i want to calibrate using my usb drive, which particular file do i download in the avs hd 709 thread?
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post #221 of 3248
5/21/11 at 4:59pm
I got the AVA709 on a USB drive ready to go for calibration after break-in. But can someone point me in the right direction as far as what settings to put the D7000 in and what slides to use for break in?
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post #222 of 3248
5/21/11 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by dvrmstrng View Post
I got the AVA709 on a USB drive ready to go for calibration after break-in. But can someone point me in the right direction as far as what settings to put the D7000 in and what slides to use for break in?

There are no settings for any break-in (aging) slides. There is no need at all to use any slides.

Larry
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post #223 of 3248
5/21/11 at 5:05pm
I've done a quick cal of Cal-Day mode on my display, copied the settings over to Movie mode and compared the results. I was interested in the custom color setting since it is common to both. All other controls 2-pt WB, 10-pt WB, etc. can be set individually.

I didn't try flattening out the gamma curves just yet, but gamma in Cal-Day mode is lower than movie mode. Average gamma = 2.24 (top, movie) and 2.09 (bottom, Cal-Day) This is with gamma=-1 (movie) and -2 (Cal-Day) and remember that lower settings of gamma on this display increases gamma.



WB and color temperature were very close between the two modes but this can be adjusted separately for the two modes anyway.




Color space matchup was pretty good except for red (and therefore magenta as well). Filled circles are Cal-day and X's are movie. dE(uv) between movie and Cal-Day were: 12.4 (red), 2.1 (green), 1.0 (blue), 2.1 (yellow), 2.7 (cyan), 16.0 (magenta)

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post #224 of 3248
5/21/11 at 5:15pm
Here are the results of the first calibration of my 64D7000. My i1 LT profiled to my i1 Pro was used. (The grayscale and gamut were checked from 20 to 100% using the i1 Pro alone. The data were essentially unchanged.)

I have accrued about 100 hours on the TV. Another run will be performed in a week or two from now.

I tested the results using values of Cell light at 20 and Conrast at 100. There was no significant change from my settings. So feel free to adjust these to suit your viewing.

Movie mode
Cell light 15
contrast 80
brightness 66
sharpness 0
color 44
tint 48/52
black tone off
dynamic off
gamma +1 (originally incorrectly stated as 0)
flesh tone 0
edge enhance off
motion lighting off
xvYcc off
color tone warm2
digital noise off
mpeg noise off

color space (preliminary)
Red_r 36
Red_g 50
Red_b 50
Green_r 60
Green_g 50
Green_b 20
Blue_r 40
Blue_g 20
Blue_b 50
Yellow_r 50
Yellow_g 50
Yellow_b 2
Cyan_r 20
Cyan_g 46
Cyan_b 46
Magenta_r 40
Magenta_g 3
Magenta_b 47

White Balance
r-off 28
g-off 22
b-off 22
r-gain 28
g-gain 24
b-gain 24

10-pt
r1 0
g1 0
b1 1
r2 0
g2 0
b2 0
r3 0
g3 0
b3 0
r4 0
g4 0
b4 -1
r5 -1
g5 0
b5 1
r6 -1
g6 0
b6 1
r7 0
g7 0
b7 0
r8 0
g8 0
b8 0
r9 0
g9 0
b9 0
r10 0
g10 0
b10 0
LL
LL
LL
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post #225 of 3248
5/21/11 at 5:15pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post
There are no settings for any break-in (aging) slides. There is no need at all to use any slides.

Larry
Really no?

So just go with a calibration (probably AVS709) and try to stay away from static images for the first 100 hours or so?
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post #226 of 3248
5/21/11 at 5:19pm
Really, dvrmstrng.

Larry
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post #227 of 3248
5/21/11 at 5:26pm
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Really, dvrmstrng.

Larry
Great, thanks!
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post #228 of 3248
5/21/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post
I've done a quick cal of Cal-Day mode on my display, copied the settings over to Movie mode and compared the results. I was interested in the custom color setting since it is common to both. All other controls 2-pt WB, 10-pt WB, etc. can be set individually.

I didn't try flattening out the gamma curves just yet, but gamma in Cal-Day mode is lower than movie mode. Average gamma = 2.24 (top, movie) and 2.09 (bottom, Cal-Day) This is with gamma=-1 (movie) and -2 (Cal-Day) and remember that lower settings of gamma on this display increases gamma.

WB and color temperature were very close between the two modes but this can be adjusted separately for the two modes anyway.

Color space matchup was pretty good except for red (and therefore magenta as well). Filled circles are Cal-day and X's are movie. dE(uv) between movie and Cal-Day were: 12.4 (red), 2.1 (green), 1.0 (blue), 2.1 (yellow), 2.7 (cyan), 16.0 (magenta)
Hey zoyd, have you updated your settings now that you've got a few more hours on your TV yet? just wondering..
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post #229 of 3248
5/21/11 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Here are the results of the first calibration of my 64D7000. My i1 LT profiled to my i1 Pro was used. (The grayscale and gamut were checked from 20 to 100% using the i1 Pro alone. The data were essentially unchanged.)

I have accrued about 100 hours on the TV. Another run will be performed in a week or two from now.

I tested the results using values of Cell light at 20 and Conrast at 100. There was no significant change from my settings. So feel free to adjust these to suit your viewing.

Movie mode
Cell light 15
contrast 80
brightness 66
sharpness 0
color 44
tint 48/52
black tone off
dynamic off
gamma 0
flesh tone 0
edge enhance off
motion lighting off
xvYcc off
color tone warm2
digital noise off
mpeg noise off

color space (preliminary)
Red_r 36
Red_g 50
Red_b 50
Green_r 60
Green_g 50
Green_b 20
Blue_r 40
Blue_g 20
Blue_b 50
Yellow_r 50
Yellow_g 50
Yellow_b 2
Cyan_r 20
Cyan_g 46
Cyan_b 46
Magenta_r 40
Magenta_g 3
Magenta_b 47

White Balance
r-off 28
g-off 22
b-off 22
r-gain 28
g-gain 24
b-gain 24

10-pt
r1 0
g1 0
b1 1
r2 0
g2 0
b2 0
r3 0
g3 0
b3 0
r4 0
g4 0
b4 -1
r5 -1
g5 0
b5 1
r6 -1
g6 0
b6 1
r7 0
g7 0
b7 0
r8 0
g8 0
b8 0
r9 0
g9 0
b9 0
r10 0
g10 0
b10 0

Hey Larry thanks for the post, I just accessed Cal Day and Night settings and input your calibration settings into my Cal Day mode on my 64D7000. It looks great. The only thing im changing though is the Sharpness. When sharpness is at 0 to me it looks kinda blurry sometimes. Also Would bumping up the Cell Light mess with the calibration?? Or can i change brightness and Cell light?
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post #230 of 3248
5/21/11 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by Wermey View Post

Hey Larry thanks for the post, I just accessed Cal Day and Night settings and input your calibration settings into my Cal Day mode on my 64D7000. It looks great. The only thing im changing though is the Sharpness. When sharpness is at 0 to me it looks kinda blurry sometimes. Also Would bumping up the Cell Light mess with the calibration?? Or can i change brightness and Cell light?


As I said, feel free to change cell light and/or contrast. Brightness, on the other hand, was set with the AVSHD 709 disk -- probably increasing or decreasing it a tick or two shouldn't cause any great change.

If the picture appears too dark, maybe you need a lower gamma for your viewing conditions. My settings put gamma at 2.25. Increasing the gamma control from zero to one will reduce the average gamma to about 2.10 - 2.15.


EDIT: I just read zoyd's post where he says that the inherent gamma in CAL day is lower than that in Movie for the same gamma setting.


Larry
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post #231 of 3248
5/21/11 at 10:09pm
I've only had the 64d8000 for a week now and am watching in just normal mode with numbers lowered until the break-in period. I just noticed while watching the news that the picture got a bit dimmer all of a sudden. At first I couldn't be sure so I had my wife watch an episode of The Mentalist that we just watched the night before and she agreed that the picture was not as bright. So now my question is, does the tv have some sort of auto adjustment setting to the room lighting or has anyone else noticed this happen to them to? Perhaps tvs do this during break-in? Just hoping I don't have a defective tv.
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post #232 of 3248
5/22/11 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by skinnysammy View Post

I've only had the 64d8000 for a week now and am watching in just normal mode with numbers lowered until the break-in period. I just noticed while watching the news that the picture got a bit dimmer all of a sudden. At first I couldn't be sure so I had my wife watch an episode of The Mentalist that we just watched the night before and she agreed that the picture was not as bright. So now my question is, does the tv have some sort of auto adjustment setting to the room lighting or has anyone else noticed this happen to them to? Perhaps tvs do this during break-in? Just hoping I don't have a defective tv.

I am having the same issue.I haven't been able to find anything on it. I called Samsung and all they told me to do was turn off the eco sensor and that should fix it, but it didn't fix anything.
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post #233 of 3248
5/22/11 at 9:48am
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I've only had the 64d8000 for a week now and am watching in just normal mode with numbers lowered until the break-in period. I just noticed while watching the news that the picture got a bit dimmer all of a sudden. At first I couldn't be sure so I had my wife watch an episode of The Mentalist that we just watched the night before and she agreed that the picture was not as bright. So now my question is, does the tv have some sort of auto adjustment setting to the room lighting or has anyone else noticed this happen to them to? Perhaps tvs do this during break-in? Just hoping I don't have a defective tv.

If motion lighting is on, it can do.
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post #234 of 3248
5/22/11 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by EvanVanVan View Post

Hey zoyd, have you updated your settings now that you've got a few more hours on your TV yet? just wondering..

Sorry, not yet. I've been toying around with Cal-Day mode and haven't decided yet which will be my primary setting. I've also noticed some crushing of blacks on medium APL scenes which I think is from the (non-defeatable) dynamic contrast in these displays. I have done a calibration which achieves a flat gamma using a constant APL pattern to compensate for this and it looks pretty decent so far, but I haven't viewed enough dark material to see if it screws up there.

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EDIT: I just read zoyd's post where he says that the inherent gamma in CAL day is lower than that in Movie for the same gamma setting.

Don't know if this holds for D7000 or not.

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I am having the same issue.I haven't been able to find anything on it. I called Samsung and all they told me to do was turn off the eco sensor and that should fix it, but it didn't fix anything.

yes, the only auto-contrast would come from the eco-solution or the motion adapted lighting setting.
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post #235 of 3248
5/22/11 at 10:31am
My one gripe about the Samsung Plasma models is that there appears to be a reddish cast in the default settings. It is especially noticeable in images of things that should be white.

1. Can this reddish cast be removed within the CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT settings?
2. Is it easy to do on the D7000 as well as the D8000?
3. Are the settings easily saved so they can be accessed at the touch of a button?
4. Are there any downsides to changing the settings?
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post #236 of 3248
5/22/11 at 10:49am
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My one gripe about the Samsung Plasma models is that there appears to be a reddish cast in the default settings. It is especially noticeable in images of things that should be white.

1. Can this reddish cast be removed within the CAL-DAY and CAL-NIGHT settings?
2. Is it easy to do on the D7000 as well as the D8000?
3. Are the settings easily saved so they can be accessed at the touch of a button?
4. Are there any downsides to changing the settings?

To remove errors in white balance you either need to get your display calibrated (or learn how to do that yourself) or try some of the settings in this thread and tweak those. The CAL modes are just places to store your calibrated settings.
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post #237 of 3248
5/22/11 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

To remove errors in white balance you either need to get your display calibrated (or learn how to do that yourself) or try some of the settings in this thread and tweak those. The CAL modes are just places to store your calibrated settings.

Ok, so I assume that I can store one for day and one for night. Are all the same settings available on both the D7000 and the D8000?
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post #238 of 3248
5/22/11 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by jhersco View Post

Ok, so I assume that I can store one for day and one for night. Are all the same settings available on both the D7000 and the D8000?

The settings posted so far in this thread apply to movie mode only. There are a couple of differences between movie and the CAL-D/N modes. One is in the way gamma behaves, gamma is lower in the CAL modes. Also, there is a difference in color (mainly red) and since they share the custom color space if you calibrate for one mode there will be errors in the other. This all applies the D8000, D7000 is not confirmed to do this yet. I am working on settings for D/N mode but it is proving hard to get a decent gamma.

EDIT: Here are the Day/Night settings I am currently using, posted on 1st page as well.

Mode CAL-DAY CAL-NIGHT
Average gamma (fixed APL) 2.1 2.28
Peak White 35 ftL 28 ftL
Cell light 17 15
contrast 82 78
brightness 49 50
sharpness 8 8
color 46 46
tint 50 50
black tone off off
dynamic off off
gamma -1 -2
flesh tone off off
edge enhance off off
motion lighting off off
xvYcc off off
color tone warm2 warm2
digital noise off off
mpeg noise off off
color space
Red_r 26 26
Red_g 3 3
Red_b 4 4
Green_r 18 18
Green_g 48 48
Green_b 0 0
Blue_r 0 0
Blue_g 0 0
Blue_b 49 49
Yellow_r 48 48
Yellow_g 48 48
Yellow_b 3 3
Cyan_r 16 16
Cyan_g 49 49
Cyan_b 47 47
Magenta_r 29 29
Magenta_g 3 3
Magenta_b 50 50
White Balance
r-off 24 24
g-off 26 26
b-off 24 24
r-gain 27 27
g-gain 25 25
b-gain 27 27
10-pt
r1 1 1
g1 1 1
b1 3 3
r2 2 2
g2 1 1
b2 2 2
r3 -1 -1
g3 -2 -2
b3 -2 -2
r4 -6 -6
g4 -6 -6
b4 -7 -7
r5 -6 -6
g5 -6 -6
b5 -8 -8
r6 -6 -6
g6 -6 -6
b6 -6 -6
r7 -6 -6
g7 -6 -6
b7 -6 -6
r8 -5 -5
g8 -5 -5
b8 -5 -5
r9 -5 -5
g9 -5 -5
b9 -5 -5
r10 -6 -6
g10 -6 -6
b10 -6 -6
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post #239 of 3248
5/22/11 at 6:31pm
Hey guys,
my 59d7000 is coming in on Wednesday and I'm looking forward to calibrating it with my DTP94 and hcfr. I'm a little confused as to how cell light and contrast differs. I've only calibrated sets with a contrast setting. I've read that a lot of people just set their sell light at 20 and that might also help with getting brightness pops/dims. Then in this threat we have anywhere from 15-20.

Can those of you who have calibrated their sets tell me why you have chosen a particular cell light value over another. Seems like cell light would be your starting point along with contrast to set your initial brightness but I'm a little confused as to their difference and how they interact with each other.
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post #240 of 3248
5/22/11 at 6:46pm
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Hey guys,

Can those of you who have calibrated their sets tell me why you have chosen a particular cell light value over another. Seems like cell light would be your starting point along with contrast to set your initial brightness but I'm a little confused as to their difference and how they interact with each other.

Hi,

Not knowing what cell light means technically I set peak white using cell light and contrast so as to allow room for additional adjustments if necessary that's why mine are < 20. Contrast works as you would expect, just like a color gain you have to adjust brightness after adjusting contrast while cell light does not appear to affect the low end. My theory is that cell light is related to the number of sub-fields active for each pixel. If that is the case it might be best to just set it at 20 to utilize the full range of levels available for each pixel but I haven't investigated that yet.
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