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post #2791 of 3248
5/22/12 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Brian1080P View Post

I have 64D8000, would a professional calibration yield a much better picture etc rather than using some of the user settings available at the beginning of this thread?

Don't be too harsh

Thanks.

Yes it will, although your $$$ to value ratio may not warrant depending how important accuracy is to you.
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post #2792 of 3248
5/22/12 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Brian1080P View Post

I have 64D8000, would a professional calibration yield a much better picture etc rather than using some of the user settings available at the beginning of this thread?

Don't be too harsh

Thanks.

No doubt...
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post #2793 of 3248
5/22/12 at 11:29am
Yes, of course, but only if you can appreciate the finer points of a good calibration. I think I'm starting to lean towards a "good enough" approach, but I'm certainly not the most discriminating viewer by AVS standards.

From my experience with a 59D7000 and a 64D8000, even a basic calibration with AVS HD 709 can be better than using someone else's customized calibration, but YMMV. Add to that a simple 2 point grayscale with a cheap colorimeter (don't buy used), and things really just begin to look "right". The icing on the cake? With a little practice, this level of calibration is very easy to master and can be had in well under an hour of your time (with a bare minimum of frustration and repetitive adjustments). This means that I actually look forward to retweaking everything every few hundred hours (something that can't be said about a full calibration on my set, but it's a bit unruly). If money were no object, sure, I would hire a pro. But the idea of paying them to maintain the calibration over the life of the set does not sit well with me.
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post #2794 of 3248
5/22/12 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

...From my experience with a 59D7000 and a 64D8000, even a basic calibration with AVS HD 709 can be better than using someone else's customized calibration...

I second this. I spent months trying everybody else's posted settings on my 64D7000 but I ended up getting what I think is the best picture by doing the basics myself with AVS HD 709. I know everything won't be 100% accurate but with the out of the box Movie mode settings for WB and colors I get less tinting (i.e. very, very little) on a grayscale pattern than with other people's settings. I had a lot of fun trying all the settings I found here but I really think it's like playing the lottery. Most likely you won't win...
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post #2795 of 3248
5/23/12 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by willieconway View Post

I second this. I spent months trying everybody else's posted settings on my 64D7000 but I ended up getting what I think is the best picture by doing the basics myself with AVS HD 709. I know everything won't be 100% accurate but with the out of the box Movie mode settings for WB and colors I get less tinting (i.e. very, very little) on a grayscale pattern than with other people's settings. I had a lot of fun trying all the settings I found here but I really think it's like playing the lottery. Most likely you won't win...

Hello, I tried out many settings as well , I did notice that a lot of Larry's settings, I went and tried all of them , tinting was apparent with red being the most offensive in the low end to mid gray's as well as blue in the low end. I did calibrate my TV with an ID2 but the end result , my suspicion that the meter was off on red and blue it was a 2 yr old meter. The 20 step gray pattern still has subtle tinting what looks like red in the low end and high end. It's hard to describe without actually seeing it. I'll be looking at getting a d3 pro with chroma pure combo for better accuracy.
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post #2796 of 3248
5/23/12 at 2:53pm
Hungro,

The D7000 panels vary from unit to unit. I have had three panels on my 64D7000 and my resulting white balance calibrated values were wildly different for each.

With respect to coloration in the black or very dark black grays below 30% stimulus: Most meters that we all use are not accurate in that range and a simple visual touch-up with the 10 point controls will take care of it.

I use an i1 D2(LT) profiled to my i1 Pro -- the D2 gives more accurate reading of low luminance than the Pro while the Pro gives more accurate reading of color across the full range. Using the i1 D2 profiled to the Pro that way gives me the best of both.

Larry
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post #2797 of 3248
5/23/12 at 4:53pm
The amount of knowledge sharing in this thread is incredible. Thanks to all the wizards for sharing with commoners!!!
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post #2798 of 3248
5/26/12 at 8:37am
hi guys this is my first post so please bear with me, i have the samsung 51 inch D8000 Plasma and having major problems with motion/blur when playing fifa 12 on my xbox 360. i've tried all different setting but nothing seems to work, any help would be great cheers.
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post #2799 of 3248
5/26/12 at 9:31am
Is this a new problem, or has it always been a problem? If you're not already, maybe try connecting directly to the TV (bypass anything else in the HDMI chain).

Other than that, there's really nothing special you can do besides using game mode, which I'm not sure even affects moving resolution. This year's E series has supposedly improved on motion performance, but most of us here have not had any complaints with the D. Could be you are just more sensitive to it, maybe because you're used to a smaller screen where the effect will be much less noticable.
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post #2800 of 3248
5/26/12 at 10:32am
I don't notice motion blur on my 64d. Games perform extremely smooth.
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post #2801 of 3248
5/27/12 at 6:21pm
Ok im having a problem setting my black level.On my HD cable box im using the default Samsung expert pattern to set my black level but no matter what i do it doesnt change.I go all the way to 100 and it still crushed.Now on my Xbox 360 i used the AVS 709 to set my black level and with hdmi low i have to set my brightness to 73 to see 17 flashing.I dunno it just seems to high.
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post #2802 of 3248
5/27/12 at 11:57pm
The 64D8000 reports 80ms of lag in Movie Mode when I use auto-lipsync on my receiver. In Game Mode, it's about 10-15ms which is negligible even for hardcore FPS players.

My receiver has 2 HDMI outputs so I have HDMI1 set up with Game Mode and calibrated for RGB 0-255 and HDMI2 is set to Movie Mode and calibrated for YpCbr 16-235 for video. (pretty cool)

Game Mode bypasses 10p white balance so you can't quite get the same color accuracy but you can get pretty close with gain, offset, gamma and color space settings.

If you're a bit techy, I highly recommend buying a cheap colorimeter like an EyeOne Display 2 and doing a few tutorials with the free HCFR software.
After a bit of practice and reading, you can hopefully get within 98-99% of a pro calibration and you'll have the knowledge to be able to do it for the life of the TV and future TVs.
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post #2803 of 3248
5/28/12 at 12:57am
Hi zoyd,

Can you please provide calibration settings for my Samsung ps51d8000?

Thanks
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post #2804 of 3248
5/28/12 at 6:06am
The settings for my display are in post #2, try them to see if you like them.
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post #2805 of 3248
5/28/12 at 8:41am
Hi there zoyd,

I found your settings on page 3 and I have to say it looks too colorful and too much red... Was thinking of going for the natural look cause I sit 7 feet away from my tv and the picture looks too colorful. Do you have any other setting you can Reccomend to me?

Thanks
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post #2806 of 3248
5/28/12 at 10:11am
My panel seems to need to TLC that involves mid level adjustments. Very similar to this adjustment in photoshop where the mid tones are balanced for exposure and contrast independently of he clipping point where the polarized extremes are displayed.



It seems white is great, nice detail and very beautiful display... but deep tones/shadows and mid tones are lacking any good detail, if I adjust for black I loose white qualities.

I guess that's is the trade off for such deep blacks.
any help available?
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post #2807 of 3248
5/28/12 at 10:44am
A custom gamma curve, maybe?
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post #2808 of 3248
5/28/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by rejaul2005 View Post

Hi there zoyd,

I found your settings on page 3 and I have to say it looks too colorful and too much red... Was thinking of going for the natural look cause I sit 7 feet away from my tv and the picture looks too colorful. Do you have any other setting you can Reccomend to me?

Thanks

Nope, if borrowed settings don't look right you'll have to get a meter and DIY
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post #2809 of 3248
5/28/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by Redmist View Post

The 64D8000 reports 80ms of lag in Movie Mode when I use auto-lipsync on my receiver. In Game Mode, it's about 10-15ms which is negligible even for hardcore FPS players.

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"reports" ???
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post #2810 of 3248
5/28/12 at 2:41pm
Sounds like the receiver is calculating the delay.
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post #2811 of 3248
5/28/12 at 3:42pm
It does appear to say that. If so I'm curious to know what receiver.
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post #2812 of 3248
5/28/12 at 4:13pm
Sounds like auto lip sync was supported in a revision of HDMI 1.2, but has only started to be used with 1.3 capable AVRs:

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#15
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post #2813 of 3248
6/3/12 at 2:34am
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Originally Posted by SeeJeffRun View Post

I finally completed a calibration of my PN51D7000. I posted prior results on March 1 on page 77 of this thread, but those results were not satisfactory to me. As before, I used ColorHCFR and an I1D2. Previously I said that we view in the evenings only, but have some dim lights on. With daylight savings now in effect, we are viewing both in daylight and in dim incandescent light.

Unlike my previous attempts, this calibration was guided by version two of Larry's methodology for using HCFR and the i1 LT (D2) or i1 Pro meters to calibrate the D7000 and D8000 models. What a gift. Thank you again, Larry, Zoyd, DonnyMac51 and all others who have contributed to that document and to this forum.

Here are my latest settings. They could be improved (gamma is not as flat as I would like, for instance), but I have no immediate plans to pursue this calibration further. I am, however, always interested in feedback and suggestions.

Mode Movie
Average gamma 2.26, target 2.25
Peak White 35.16
Cell light 14
contrast 90
brightness 70
sharpness 15
color 50
tint 50/50
black tone off
dynamic off
gamma -1
flesh tone 0
edge enhance off
motion lighting off
xvYcc off
color tone warm2
digital noise off
mpeg noise off

color space
Red_r 46
Red_g 50
Red_b 34
Green_r 80
Green_g 49
Green_b 3
Blue_r 38
Blue_g 0
Blue_b 49
Yellow_r 49
Yellow_g 52
Yellow_b 30
Cyan_r 100
Cyan_g 49
Cyan_b 52
Magenta_r 50
Magenta_g 56
Magenta_b 52

White Balance
r-off 27
g-off 26
b-off 19
r-gain 11
g-gain 28
b-gain 36

10-pt intervals
1: -2-2-1
2: 0 1 1
3: -1 0 0
4: -2-1-2
5: -1 0-2
6: 1 2 0
7: -1 0-1
8: 2 3 0
9: 2 2 2
10: 0 0 0

Grey Scale Delta E:
2.6 2.4 0.8 1.4 0.2 1.5 0.8 0.3 2.0 0.7 0.9

R G B Y C M
Color Delta E: 1.3 1.0 1.2 1.0 1.0 0.6
Color Delta xy: 0.001 0.003 0.002 0.001 0.002 0.001
Color Delta Luma: =0 +0.1%+1.9%-0.4%-1.0%-0.5%

I wanted to tighten the blue delta luma but got tired and forgot.

Thank you all for your help and for this excellent thread.

Jeff 3/31/12

Hello Jeff, I currently dont have any equipment to calibrate my pn51d7000, so I tried different settings from this forum. Your settings posted provide the best results for my TV. One question, have you "improved" such settings? Do you still use the last settings you posted? Thanks in advance.
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post #2814 of 3248
6/3/12 at 7:12am
does anyone have a technique for uncompressing the blacks?
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post #2815 of 3248
6/3/12 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by eijaoae View Post

Does anyone know how to check the panel hours on these samsungs? I can get into the service menu (still on 1012.2 in the UK so I can't access the Expert menu) but cant see the hours anywhere?

You need a service remote to unlock additional service menu info, or you could use the remote emulator until Samsung disabled it in recent firmware (at least for the PND7000, 1016 will prevent access). You can get the emulator in zoyd's first post here and give it a try:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1389562

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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

does anyone have a technique for uncompressing the blacks?

By increasing the gamma setting and recalibrating the brightness/contrast, you can prevent crushed blacks at the expense of some MLL. This will actually give you a lower effective gamma. (+1 for the D7000 gives you something closer to 2.2 instead of the usual 2.3 I think).
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post #2816 of 3248
6/3/12 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

does anyone have a technique for uncompressing the blacks?

Try using the APL patterns from the GCD disk and then shoot for a gamma which rises from 2.1 at 10% to 2.3 at 40% and above.
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post #2817 of 3248
6/3/12 at 1:14pm
thanks you guys... I have some work to do.
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post #2818 of 3248
6/3/12 at 3:26pm
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Originally Posted by MSchu18 View Post

thanks you guys... I have some work to do.


For a black level of about 0.007 ftL and a peak white of about 35 ftL, try to get the gamma curve to look like this.


Larry
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post #2819 of 3248
6/3/12 at 3:41pm
Hi Larry - did you see my post about cell light? Have you measured full field response for various combos of contrast/cell light?
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post #2820 of 3248
6/3/12 at 3:50pm
Hi zoyd,

I missed that discussion. I've not been paying as much attention as I should. Life always seems to get in the way.


I haven't played with full field measurements at all with my D7000. Give me a link to your post.

Larry
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