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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
So this is my first thread and first semi-dedicated theater build. I'm hoping that posting in the forums will keep me going and provide great feedback. I have been reading for a while and doing lots of thinking, but now it's time to get started.

Progress will be slow as I have a full-time+ job and family and other concurrent projects (like landscaping and more) and this theater build will include finishing the whole basement.

I'll try to get some before pictures up soon and try to put what's in my head on paper or visio or something to give an idea of the finished product.

I have put some thought into sound isolation, and lighting. Right off the bat I should ask, is there anything that you forgot or would change before you started your build? Experience can be a great teacher and I hope to learn from anybody who reads this.

Thanks!

Kyle
post #2 of 24
Welcome to AVS! If soundproofing is a goal, I'd suggest you plan the ventilation before you get framing started.
post #3 of 24
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is there anything that you forgot or would change before you started your build? Experience can be a great teacher and I hope to learn from anybody who reads this.
1) Listen to Ted.
2) Pray that BigMouthInDC chimes in.
3) TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE of the sticky "Pro Theater Layout Service." You will save yourself ENORMOUS time, money and headache by starting out with a full plan from one of the guys in that thread. I wish it had been there when I started my build.
4) Post, post, post.......

Good luck!
post #4 of 24
Point #3 is especially pertinent. Unless you want to make the theater building research your second job, having someone like DE lay this all out is a real value
post #5 of 24
BIGmouth is from Minnesota. One spring I got my car started and left for good. You should read the sticky thread, "what I would do differently"
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

BIGmouth is from Minnesota. One spring I got my car started and left for good. You should read the sticky thread, "what I would do differently"

I can't imagine why one would want to leave this splendor that is Minnesota. Why winter is the best seven months of the year. It's so much fun to look that car window and try to predict which pothole could actually contain your entire front axle. And you loose the ability to say that you have been publicly represented by the likes of Jesse "I'm just going to take my headphones off" Ventura and and Al "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and gosh darn it, people like me" Franken.
post #7 of 24
Even the springs are wonderful here. It is middle of May and the high today is 56.
So we go from 7 months of winter to rainy cold spring to a hot summer in no time.
We should probably get tax breaks to live in our beautiful state. State Taxes are higher than IL and most other states around us.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by BIGmouthinDC View Post

BIGmouth is from Minnesota. One spring I got my car started and left for good. You should read the sticky thread, "what I would do differently"

I grew up in Milwaukee. Got my degrees from Wisconsin. When I was interviewing, I took a plant visit at Honeywell up in Minneapolis. During the day, the recruiter told me that they only hired from 9 schools in the upper midwest because nobody else would put up with a Minneapolis winter.

Thought a bit and then realized "I don't have to put up with a Minneapolis winter!" Took a job with HP in Colorado and stayed away for 30+ years. Ironically, now I am back in Milwaukee, only 3 miles or so away from the old house. Kind of like salmon swimming upstream to die, I guess.
post #9 of 24
And don't be afraid to ask questions or solicite opinions, especially if you think you have to compromise on something.

Northern MN, love it! I'm heading up to the BWCA this year, plus the usual couple weekends on the SHT and maybe another weekend in Walker.

Robert
post #10 of 24
I would do a sketch of your area and potential layout and post it here. Also, go to http://www.soundproofingcompany.com/ and do a bit of reading.

Once you get a little bit of a clue, give them a call and send them your potential layout. They are really good at what they do and they can help you get what you need. If you have a set budget for sound proofing, they will help you get the best bang for the buck within that budget. That was my favorite part of dealing with them.

For example, on each piece of drywall in the double layer of drywall that is recommended, you should use two tubes of green glue between them. You can cut that cost in half by only using one tube and you will get around 70% or slightly more of the isolation of two tubes. My budget limited me to one tube per sheet, so I went that route. It is certainly FAR better than using no tubes.
post #11 of 24
I'd have to second the recommendation to go with the PRO THEATER LAYOUT SERVICES. The price is a bargain when compared with the time required to do the planning and layout, as well as the time and $$ spent fixing something that you think can be done differently/better.
post #12 of 24
As a fellow Minnesotan I also recommend the Pro Theater Layout service.
It is inexpensive and it will set you free from having to buy all the equipment from the same Custom Integrator.
I got my money's worth from Pro Theater Layout Service.
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ok, so making a drawing is more time-consuming than I thought... I always thought I wanted to be an architect, but now I see why I never did. I made a drawing of my basement to near scale on the iPad. I hope it helps give a better idea of what I'm working with.
As I look closer, I am wondering if my post is in the right section. I want a dedicated theater, but it will share space with the family room. I plan to separate it from the rest of the space with lighting and decor, but it will not be a total sealed, soundproof, isolated room like so many others.
When you are in the theater, I still want you to forget about the rest of the house, so the decor and sound isolation are important to me. I have read a lot so far in soundproofing, but still consider myself a novice. My plan here is to do insulation in the ceiling and double drywall with green glue and a double wall for the shared walls between the bedroom and hallway. Soffits, paint and lighting will also help separate the space.
Money is an issue (isn't it always?) so I will do most of the work myself and thus, will take quite a while; and my setup will not be overly fancy. I still want it to be nice and professional, so I plan to find help when I'm above my head.
Next I will post pictures of the current space. Thanks again for your help and suggestions so far.

To help with the image, the plan is roughly 30'x60' and the screen will be on the wall shared with the bedroom. I plan to have a small stage below the screen and two rows of seating with the second row elevated. Soffits are in light dashed lines. Once again, scale is not perfect, but you get the general idea.

Kyle

post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by HTPharmD View Post

I always thought I wanted to be an architect, but now I see why I never did.

You know, I always wanted to be one of those, too! Quick question, are any of those bedrooms going to be occupied?
post #15 of 24
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I am wondering if my post is in the right section. I want a dedicated theater, but it will share space with the family room. I plan to separate it from the rest of the space with lighting and decor, but it will not be a total sealed, soundproof, isolated room like so many others.

Don't worry about it. There are MANY open concept build threads her already, so one more won't really make a difference. I think as long you are looking for the soundproofing, etc, it's fine. I would think if you were only looking to finish your basement in the standard way and put up a screen and projector, you may have point.

My room is open concept. I would suggest that at minimum, you want to use RSIC, hat channel, double 5/8s drywall and green glue on the ENTIRE ceiling. Then treat as many walls as possible.

It's hard to tell where the landing to the stairs is. I'd say if you can close up the area between the family room and the excercise room some and find a way to close off the stairs (with a door at the bottom?) you would probably be pretty happy with the results.

Keep in mind, that in an open concept EVERYTHING is a compromise. Do the things that you CAN'T do after drywall goes up. I treat my ENTIRE basemetn with the 5/8s DD + GG and, although It's not compelte, the results have been very goo so far.

Good luck!
post #16 of 24
If your drawing is to scale, I would suggest that the couches are in too tight. I couldn't see any place where you mentioned screen size, but the drawing hints at a 120" 16:9 layout. You have the first pair of eyeballs only 6' back. That would be too close for most people. I am sitting my first row at 11' with that screen size. You also only have 5' for the riser. Conventional wisdom says at least 7', especially if you ever want to go with reclining seats.
post #17 of 24
To ensure I had a good riser hight, I put a chair in the front row and then another chair behind it (where it would normally sit), but up on the left over 2x4 ends (cut off from the studs) to give it height. My friend sat on the rear chair and I sat on the front chair. We added blocks until the height was good...then added an extra inch.

Our concern was for having to put in a step...not really much room for one. We settled at 8inches...meaning we can have just one slightly higher than normal step instead of having to use two slightly smaller than two normal steps.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by SierraMikeBravo View Post

You know, I always wanted to be one of those, too! Quick question, are any of those bedrooms going to be occupied?

Someday,yes, but I plan on making a double wall (isolated from each other) to help with sound issues and insulation as well.
post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 
Been busy with landscaping lately, so no time for the build. Digging planting areas and planted 40 trees and 70 shrubs. I'm feeling it!

I have been thinking lately and wonder about going with full 7.1 or just doing 5.1. My final room size will be about 16x12. It seems border line to me, and saving money on a few speakers and wire is always good, but I dunno. Figured I'd get some feedback from you all.

Thanks!
Kyle
post #20 of 24
I wrestled with this early on in my dedicated space. I wired for 11.4 (just in case...it was cheaper to do it before the drywall went up), and ended up buying the side surrounds and an amp for 7.1. More and more BRs are authored with discrete 7.1 tracks. I think it's only going to continue, but who knows for sure. To me 7.1 sounds more full and spacious than 5.1, but again, YMMV.

I'd recommend spending a bit of money to prewire for it and don't sweat it. 250ft of 12 gauge (in wall) speaker wire from Monoprice is like $50.

Good luck!
post #21 of 24
I'd also plan on running a bunch of Cat 5/6 to a different locations. Looking back, that is one of my regrets. It's so easy and cheap to do up front and now I'm way too lazy to fish some wires through finished walls.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by BllDo View Post

I'd also plan on running a bunch of Cat 5/6 to a different locations. Looking back, that is one of my regrets. It's so easy and cheap to do up front and now I'm way too lazy to fish some wires through finished walls.

Thanks, BllDo. I am planning on putting several jacks in the AV closet (putting it all under the stairs). Do you think I need jacks in the room? I was contemplating adding the ability to do Xbox or PS3 or WiiU in the theater, but also wasn't sure of the best way to do that.

Kyle
post #23 of 24
Yeah, I think that's a great idea. If nothing else, it will help to future-proof your set up. It will be good for gaming, you may want to add an htpc down the road. Also, as different platforms and formats come out, having a plethora of connections available can only help. A couple years ago, who would have though of hooking up your DVD player to the internet?

You don't need to go nuts and add a dozen different connections in your closet now, you can always add a switch later if need be.
post #24 of 24
Bit late chiming in but welcome. Northern MN is too warm for my tastes, though it does qualify as southern Canada.
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