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post #1 of 37
5/10/11 at 9:08am
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what do you guys think of the brand.

i am a proud owner of dx-1s and dx-5s also d-5 and d-9s they sure can push some air and sound great with some equalizing!!!!

i cant run all them at once but i run them in two locations.

i will get pics of the d searies i have in a few
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post #2 of 37
5/11/11 at 12:52am
Old ones are great but the new ones not so much.
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post #3 of 37
5/11/11 at 1:28am
Thump-Thump-Thump!!
Really, what is important is that they sound good to you.
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post #4 of 37
5/11/11 at 12:20pm
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what do you guys think of the brand.

i am a proud owner of dx-1s and dx-5s also d-5 and d-9s they sure can push some air and sound great with some equalizing!!!!

i cant run all them at once but i run them in two locations.

i will get pics of the d searies i have in a few
Those would be the life of the party back in college.
However, for a bit more serious listening, these might be a better choice:
http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/mea..._vega_cls-215/
Not too shabby.

cheers,

AJ
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post #5 of 37
5/11/11 at 4:28pm
I have a pair of D9's that I bought back in 1986. I still use them for background listening. They have great sentimental value and aren't bad for casual listening. I have Monitor Audio gold speakers for my main listening. I feel the MA's have much more detail. But for most rock, particularly hard rock, the Cerwin Vegas are pretty good.
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post #6 of 37
5/11/11 at 6:39pm
As another elluded to when I think of CV I think of COLLEGE!
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post #7 of 37
5/20/11 at 11:34am
As other have said, great rock and party speakers. Lots of boom and sizzle, and they play loud. Not the best for critical listening. I've owned D-9s, 380SEs, and AT-15s in the past.
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post #8 of 37
5/25/11 at 6:26pm
Ahhh university dorm memories.

30 wpc and any CV would go LOUD. And the THUMP...

Not eggzachary the most accurate, but definitely fun.
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post #9 of 37
5/25/11 at 8:33pm
Yep, flashback to the early 80's. That series was fairly popular back in the day. They are notorious for having over exaggerated bass and do not in any way reproduce music in a faithful way. Hey, you asked .

Having said that, they are also a stark reminder (to me) that we have moved very far away from speakers that don't "need" subwoofers. Given the choice of D5s or today's elegant 5.25" drivers with a tweeter, perched atop a pedestal (oops, I mean towers ) and costing mega bucks (because the tower has real wood...laminate. and they're audiophile grade, of course)...I'd take the D5s .
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post #10 of 37
5/26/11 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by tylerlovely2006 View Post

what do you guys think of the brand.

i am a proud owner of dx-1s and dx-5s also d-5 and d-9s they sure can push some air and sound great with some equalizing!!!!


If you are a Cerwin Vega guy for life - then maybe you should not
ask that question.
They are not accurate with music - and I have owned a few. How
ever, continue to enjoy!
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post #11 of 37
5/29/11 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by tylerlovely2006 View Post

what do you guys think of the brand.

i am a proud owner of dx-1s and dx-5s also d-5 and d-9s they sure can push some air and sound great with some equalizing!!!!

i cant run all them at once but i run them in two locations.

i will get pics of the d searies i have in a few

Those speakers look like they are in really good shape. I also own a lot of Cerwin Vega speakers. I own almost every speaker from the CLS. Including the massive CLS-215's. I use them as mains in my 7.1 theater. I also have a couple of speakers from the VE series.

Most who say that they don't like the sound, or that they are not accurate, or remember it from college have never heard a large pair of Cerwin Vegas set up properly with the right amplification. Most large CV speakers will play loud with smaller amplifiers but will never perform at their best. Especially in the bass department. Cerwin Vega themselves has said that their larger speakers where never meant to be powered by lower wattage AVR's or home stereo receivers. Despite the fact that most larger CV speakers have a high sensitivity on paper specs. According to the company the speakers are demanding when it comes to needing power because of the larger bass drivers. The larger drivers have demanding impedance dips.
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post #12 of 37
5/29/11 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel View Post

Most who say that they don't like the sound, or that they are not accurate, or remember it from college have never heard a large pair of Cerwin Vegas set up properly with the right amplification. Most large CV speakers will play loud with smaller amplifiers but will never perform at their best. Especially in the bass department. Cerwin Vega themselves has said that their larger speakers where never meant to be powered by lower wattage AVR's or home stereo receivers. Despite the fact that most larger CV speakers have a high sensitivity on paper specs. According to the company the speakers are demanding when it comes to needing power because of the larger bass drivers. The larger drivers have demanding impedance dips.

Interesting comments, but I beg to differ. CV's got their reputation as thump boxes for a darn good reason, not because everyone using them was using low line amps . In fact, a close friend and work associate of mine in the mid 80's, was a DJ part time and he loved his D series CVs. And actually, he love them for their ability to handle power, as well as their famous "thump". I know lots of pretty expensive speakers that can deliver fantastic bass and are best used with a bit of power driving them.....but I don't recall any of them being associated with being able to...um.."really thump" . Why do you think that is? I'll tell you why; because their ability to reproduce and deliver clean bass as it was meant to be heard is what they do, not over exaggerate what is already there, as old CVs did...and got a rep for. And yes, I am saying with total conviction that D series CVs (the ones I have experience with hearing most) have/had elevated bass over most other speakers when no tone controls or EQs are engaged.

And really, the bottom line is that we all have individual tastes. Some of us like speakers that have "added" bass, some like a bright sounding speaker. This goes for guitars, EQ settings, etc... It's all very individual. Hell, my very best friend, and who worked beside me selling A/V equip. in the 80's, loves his car to thump like...you think you're in the trunk with his SW. I can't stand it and don't consider it musical, but he actually strives for that very sound and loves it!
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post #13 of 37
5/29/11 at 4:55pm
Sorry for your friend. That's the last thing my room sounds like is a thump box.
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post #14 of 37
5/29/11 at 7:11pm
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Sorry for your friend.

LOL, me too . He was over my house yesterday (my youngest graduated HS, so we had about 20 people over) and I showed him my 70's Marantz that I cleaned up and plan on using as an extra set-up. He ended up swearing he was going to go home and do the same with a 70's Sansui that he still has. It's funny, I always cared more about home audio, but he gave most attention to car audio...and took half-ass measures on his home systems.

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That's the last thing my room sounds like is a thump box.

Oh, no doubt. Don't get me wrong here; I'm talking just above subtle colored bass here, nothing even close to "outrageous" or anything like that. And it doesn't mean that I couldn't be happy with a pair for my own tastes, by just backing the bass control down a tad. Like I said we all have different tastes. Sometimes large differences, but probably most often, very slight and subtle ones.
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post #15 of 37
5/29/11 at 7:25pm
Set up is everything with any type of speaker. I feel many have set up CV's the wrong way. Never achieving the true performance. From the information I have gathered from CV they also agree with this concerning some of their speakers.
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post #16 of 37
5/31/11 at 3:18pm
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Set up is everything with any type of speaker. I feel many have set up CV's the wrong way. Never achieving the true performance. From the information I have gathered from CV they also agree with this concerning some of their speakers.

"Set up is everything with any type of speaker"? Sorry, but again...that's a BS way to try to give CV a break. Dude, they're speakers, not EQs or "5.1" systems. I've tried to be as diplomatic here as I can, but.... your statement above reads like something I'd expect from some heady audiophile magazine. And lol, "information you've gathered from CV"? You mean, they've tried to explain (obviously, issuing statements/articles ...that you've gathered) why everyone says they're speakers have unnatural bass? LOFL! With all due respect, CVs, like any other household speaker, should require nothing more than hooking up and being played through by any competent amp. Nothing more. Nothing. If you believe otherwise, you've simply bought into their BS excuse for having unnatural high bass speakers.
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post #17 of 37
5/31/11 at 6:02pm
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"Set up is everything with any type of speaker"? Sorry, but again...that's a BS way to try to give CV a break. Dude, they're speakers, not EQs or "5.1" systems. I've tried to be as diplomatic here as I can, but.... your statement above reads like something I'd expect from some heady audiophile magazine. And lol, "information you've gathered from CV"? You mean, they've tried to explain (obviously, issuing statements/articles ...that you've gathered) why everyone says they're speakers have unnatural bass? LOFL! With all due respect, CVs, like any other household speaker, should require nothing more than hooking up and being played through by any competent amp. Nothing more. Nothing. If you believe otherwise, you've simply bought into their BS excuse for having unnatural high bass speakers.

So you don't believe in proper set up of a speaker? That's odd considering you participate in the forum. So you don't consider the distance you sit from your speakers as well as toe in to the listening position important? Never mind crossover selection while blending with a sub. Or the distance the speakers are out from the wall. Or the shape of the room having negative effects on any speaker. Or having a suitable amplifier for demanding speakers? I don't need to give CV a break. There is nothing wrong with them. My statement about having speakers set up properly was directed to those who have made judgements about CV's in college while they where in some dorm hall having the crap beat out of them while being powered by a 35w receiver. I consider that not a good speaker set up. If you personally don't like Cerwin Vega that's fine. Just don't ruin it for everyone else who does. Cerwin Vegas don't have unnaturally high bass. The real truth is those cute little speakers you own just don't produce any bass. I mean that with all due respect.
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post #18 of 37
5/31/11 at 6:04pm
I had a set of 12 inch e712's i think the model was that anyway. I listen to mostly metal and i loved them. I had to sell them in college since i was running out of room and they are massive. I had a decent panasonic amp running them and it seemed to power them amazing.
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post #19 of 37
5/31/11 at 6:13pm
If phase settings, distance, standing waves etc are used for 5 or 7.1 HT setups, why shouldnt it also be applied for stereo setups as well. Proper "set up" takes listening room environment into account thus maximizing (as best possible) system potential- what ever level that may be.
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post #20 of 37
5/31/11 at 6:26pm
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So you don't believe in proper set up of a speaker?

Nice attempt to obfuscate a pretty straight forward subject. Why didn't you just ask me why I like hurting puppies? Same thing as the puff of smoke you just blew to cover a totally indefensible position.

Let's see, what other well known speakers have had a decades old reputation for having unnatural and accented bass? *crickets*

Gee, I wonder why there's only one? Wow.... and how in the world did all of those confused consumers give them that rep? Oh, that's right, they all had 35 watt amps

Critical thinking - It's what's for dinner

Like I said earlier, we all have our own personal tastes. If you own and like CVs...more power to you. Nobopdy is trying to ruin anything for you. I mean, how could anyone "ruin it" for people who like CVs? LOL. Don't take it so personal.

Oh, and my main mains have 12" drivers for lower bass. The smallest set of mains I own employ 8" drivers. So yes, I guess you've missed my lamenting that today's speakers are often not much more than 5 1/4" drivers perched atop a pedestal that some like to call towers? Of course, your rant about the "cute little speakers you own" didn't warrant a response, but I thought I'd volunteer one anyway, just for amusement purposes. You can have the last word.....I'm done .
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post #21 of 37
5/31/11 at 6:28pm
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If phase settings, distance, standing waves etc are used for 5 or 7.1 HT setups, why shouldnt it also be applied for stereo setups as well. Proper "set up" takes listening room environment into account thus maximizing (as best possible) system potential- what ever level that may be.

Psst! Clear the smoke away. We're talking about all things being equal.....

(well, at least, I am )
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post #22 of 37
5/31/11 at 7:03pm
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Nice attempt to obfuscate a pretty straight forward subject. Why didn't you just ask me why I like hurting puppies? Same thing as the puff of smoke you just blew to cover a totally indefensible position.

Let's see, what other well known speakers have had a decades old reputation for having unnatural and accented bass? *crickets*

Gee, I wonder why there's only one? Wow.... and how in the world did all of those confused consumers give them that rep? Oh, that's right, they all had 35 watt amps

Critical thinking - It's what's for dinner

Like I said earlier, we all have our own personal tastes. If you own and like CVs...more power to you. Nobopdy is trying to ruin anything for you. I mean, how could anyone "ruin it" for people who like CVs? LOL. Don't take it so personal.

Oh, and my main mains have 12" drivers for lower bass. The smallest set of mains I own employ 8" drivers. So yes, I guess you've missed my lamenting that today's speakers are often not much more than 5 1/4" drivers perched atop a pedestal that some like to call towers? Of course, your rant about the "cute little speakers you own" didn't warrant a response, but I thought I'd volunteer one anyway, just for amusement purposes. You can have the last word.....I'm done .

Many speakers have certain characteristics. Some say Klipsch speakers are bright. I suppose you think that's a negative thing to. I don't. I'm not bashing Klipsch in any way. If all speakers where the same there would be only one speaker manufacturer and we would all own the same speakers. That would be horrible. As far as driver size goes. I have to give you some credit with having some 12'' drivers in your mains. I still have you beat. My mains have dual 15's and they're not bass heavy. As a matter of fact I don't like boomy bloated bass. I'm not taking any of this personally. I just get real tired of all the BS talk about CV's.
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post #23 of 37
6/1/11 at 5:43pm
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Many speakers have certain characteristics. Some say Klipsch speakers are bright. I suppose you think that's a negative thing to. I don't. I'm not bashing Klipsch in any way.

Well, 24hrs later and I'm going to comment once more : Your attempt to grasp and tie-in a worldwide known brand (Klipsch) is once again, misguided... and like...comparing apples to oranges regarding perspective. You also led off your reply with an false premise, as you did on the previous response that tried to drag readers off into the weeds .

The fact is, some people might find horn tweeters fatiguing after considerable listening, but this is a red herring, on your part. "Some" people claiming brightness or fatigue...is not the same thing as legions and generations of people calling a particular speaker's bass deeply colored or over exaggerated. Others might get sidetracked by the obfuscation, but there are always clueless people on every website. When you're standing in a hole...put down the damn shovel .

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If all speakers where the same there would be only one speaker manufacturer and we would all own the same speakers. That would be horrible.

I agree, but this has nothing to do with the point here. Nothing.

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As far as driver size goes. I have to give you some credit with having some 12'' drivers in your mains. I still have you beat. My mains have dual 15's and they're not bass heavy. As a matter of fact I don't like boomy bloated bass. I'm not taking any of this personally. I just get real tired of all the BS talk about CV's.

Well, thanks for the congrats on having 12's. but... "I still have you beat"?. It sounds like you equate size with performance. In fact, this makes sense, given your previous comments here. Of course, if you;d like to qualify "got you beat" with any tangible claims of performance, I'll be glad to listen. "don't like boomy bloated bass", eh? I'm thinking that you do, but don't even know it. You don't/won't recognize CVs giving such, and two 15" drivers in one speaker? LOFL! I'm sorry, but I put a limit on "tight" bass at around a 12" driver area...maybe one 15'...but surely not two. But this is only giving you an area/subject to drag others off onto another path/subject...so I'll drop this aspect here. And again, liking heavy bass is totally cool (seriously). It's preference.

Gotta go now. Going to Bose threads and explaining to all those who hate Bose that.....




































...they simply don't have them set up right . This seems to be a "duck-all" response, eh? Yeah..........

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post #24 of 37
6/1/11 at 6:17pm
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Well, 24hrs later and I'm going to comment once more : Your attempt to grasp and tie-in a worldwide known brand (Klipsch) is once again, misguided... and like...comparing apples to oranges regarding perspective. You also led off your reply with an false premise, as you did on the previous response that tried to drag readers off into the weeds .

The fact is, some people might find horn tweeters fatiguing after considerable listening, but this is a red herring, on your part. "Some" people claiming brightness or fatigue...is not the same thing as legions and generations of people calling a particular speaker's bass deeply colored or over exaggerated. Others might get sidetracked by the obfuscation, but there are always clueless people on every website. When you're standing in a hole...put down the damn shovel .

I agree, but this has nothing to do with the point here. Nothing.

Well, thanks for the congrats on having 12's. but... "I still have you beat"?. It sounds like you equate size with performance. In fact, this makes sense, given your previous comments here. Of course, if you;d like to qualify "got you beat" with any tangible claims of performance, I'll be glad to listen. "don't like boomy bloated bass", eh? I'm thinking that you do, but don't even know it. You don't/won't recognize CVs giving such, and two 15" drivers in one speaker? LOFL! I'm sorry, but I put a limit on "tight" bass at around a 12" driver area...maybe one 15'...but surely not two. But this is only giving you an area/subject to drag others off onto another path/subject...so I'll drop this aspect here. And again, liking heavy bass is totally cool (seriously). It's preference.

Gotta go now. Going to Bose threads and explaining to all those who hate Bose that.....

...they simply don't have them set up right . This seems to be a "duck-all" response, eh? Yeah..........


I'm not sure where you have been hiding but there are many people who claim that Klipsch horns are harsh. I'm not saying I agree but some people do.

Your theory of a 12'' driver having tighter bass than a 15'' is also false. This has been proven time and time again not to be true. When it comes to bass there is no replacement for displacement. My mains have dual 15's with a crossover at 60hz. I also have four 15'' subwoofers. I suppose your going to say it's boomy. That's seems to be your favorite comment.

One other thing. Don't tell me what I like as far as what kind of bass I like. I don't like boomy bass. I have done a lot of calibration work to do away with bass issues. If I wanted to make the bass in my room boomy I could.
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post #25 of 37
6/1/11 at 6:42pm
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... But this is only giving you an area/subject to drag others off onto another path/subject...so I'll drop this aspect here. And again, liking heavy bass is totally cool (seriously). It's preference.

^^^^^^^^^^

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Your theory of a 12'' driver having tighter bass than a 15'' is also false. This has been proven time and time again not to be true. When it comes to bass there is no replacement for displacement. My mains have dual 15's with a crossover at 60hz. I also have four 15'' subwoofers. I suppose your going to say it's boomy. That's seems to be your favorite comment.

Should I go out and buy a lottery ticket?


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One other thing. Don't tell me what I like as far as what kind of bass I like. I don't like boomy bass. I have done a lot of calibration work to do away with bass issues. If I wanted to make the bass in my room boomy I could.

Oh, I'm sorry, but you're the one who started with prognostication as to who owned and liked what speakers .
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post #26 of 37
6/1/11 at 6:59pm
So which one is it? You actually like heavy bass or not? Or do you just like riding my coat tails for no good reason? I would really like to know what kind of speakers you own. What are they?
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post #27 of 37
6/1/11 at 7:42pm
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So which one is it? You actually like heavy bass or not? Or do you just like riding my coat tails for no good reason? I would really like to know what kind of speakers you own. What are they?

Democrat? LOL, do you even know what "riding coat tails" means?

Psst! This was about Cerwin Vegas having unnatural heavy bass, not my personal tastes. This was about an entire generation of people saying so. Your most recent replies get even more desperate to change the subject. I am done. Really...I'm done here .
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post #28 of 37
6/1/11 at 8:15pm
Let's not bring political preferences into this. It has no relevance to the topics. Maybe I should of just said giving me hell. Instead you just flipped it to avoid my simple question. Your so busy talking smack you can't even answer a simple question. The OP's question had nothing to do with CV's having heavy bass. Your the one that made that comment. What kind of speakers do you own? It's not that difficult of a question. You obviously have something to hide. You said you where done here several posts ago but you keep coming back.
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post #29 of 37
6/2/11 at 11:49am
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The OP's question had nothing to do with CV's having heavy bass.
Nor did it have anything to do with my speakers.

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What kind of speakers do you own? It's not that difficult of a question. You obviously have something to hide.
OK, OK....here is a pic of my mids:



Don't let them fool you, because if they're "set up right", they will not sound like tin cans and will rock your world.

And of course, I'm pretty old school, so I like to use a separate woofer to give just a tad of depth to the amazing cans:














































What did you say, that you had... dual 15" woofers?

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You said you where done here several posts ago but you keep coming back.
You keep inviting me. And beside, you're a fun guy.
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post #30 of 37
6/3/11 at 8:47am
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Nor did it have anything to do with my speakers.

OK, OK....here is a pic of my mids:

Don't let them fool you, because if they're "set up right", they will not sound like tin cans and will rock your world.

And of course, I'm pretty old school, so I like to use a separate woofer to give just a tad of depth to the amazing cans:

What did you say, that you had... dual 15" woofers?

You keep inviting me. And beside, you're a fun guy.

I saw that you where back to make more jokes. I was busy re-flashing the main ECM on one of my motorcycles so the air fuel ratio is optimum for the best performance and horsepower with the freer flowing exhaust that I have on the bike. Fuel injection mapping is not a quick process. Enough on that subject.

It's obvious that your goal here is to make jokes and twist anything I say into something funny. My goal was to somehow have a two way conversation. Despite the fact that the thread got derailed a bit due to banter.

I wanted to know what kind of 12'' speakers you own so I could just have a better idea of what they where. Not to compare them with the speakers I own. For unknown reasons you will not release any information about them. I don't think your intentions of participating on the forum are to constructively help people or discuss audio. You spent far more time cutting and pasting pictures to make jokes at my expense than it would of taken to answer a simple speaker question to possibly carry on a conversation about speakers. We don't all have to all agree on audio topics. That doesn't mean that respectful conversation can't still happen. With you it seems like it might be an impossible task. This is the AVS forum. Not The Last Comic Standing.
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