Sony hx729 - Page 15

Originally Posted by UpnOvr

I had to scratch my head on this one because my set (after he factory reset it) is at the latest version release. He did some bobeldy boop fancy remote commands which brought up the error reporting codes and indeed under the s/w update section there was a foreign number. He cleared it and said there you go, all set.
It's worked fine since.
He would only share the well known factory reset procedure with me. Wouldn't tell me the bobeldy boop commands.
To me it doesn't make sense if I'm at the latest rev after a factory reset and it was supposed to have failed during an update.
????
He did recommend not selecting auto-update though.

Originally Posted by MoonRabbit79

Hi, here are my calibration settings and results for my 46HX729 on a first run.

Calibration probe : X-rite i1 display LT (latest drivers)
Calibration software : Color HCFR v.2.1
Calibration patterns : AVS AVCHD itu.709 calibration disc v.1.3b patched (1080/24p)
Source player : PS3 (SuperWhite = On, output blu-rays @ 24p) - latest firmware


--Scene Select menu--

General


--Picture Adjustments menu--

Setting Memory: Current input (common, if you want them for everything)

Picture Mode: Personnal

Backlight: 1 (personnal taste, it gives about 30 ftl.)

Picture: 98 (same if HDMI RGB dynamic range for the input is set to Full instead of Auto which does mapping/compression from color level 16 to color level 0 for film/tv sources - see Pro settings section)

Brightness: 50 (26 if HDMI RGB dynamic range for the input is set to Full instead of Auto which does mapping/compression from color level 16 to color level 0 for film/tv sources - see Pro settings section)

Color: 50

Hue: 0

Color Temperature: Warm 2 (gives greyscale color coordinates/temperature = D65/6500K with calibrated White balance (see Advanced settings section))

Sharpness: 38 (gives no edge and no pixel resolution artificial enhancements)

Noise Reduction: Low (personnal taste)

MPEG Noise Reduction: Low (personnal taste)

Dot noise reduction: Auto (personnal taste)

Reality Creation: Off (On gives edge and pixel resolution artificial enhancements = errors)

Smooth Gradation: Low (personnal taste)

Motionflow: Standard (personnal taste)
NOTES :
Smooth = all additional frames are interpolated (216 frames for 24p sources) - it can give a lot of artifacts around moving objects = errors.

Standard = 50% additionnal frames are interpolated (108 frames for 24p sources) + 50% additionnal frames are repeated from original frames - it can give some artifacts around moving objects = errors.

Clear = all additionnal frames are repeated from original frames + x% (?) additional frames has black pixel blocks insertions on fast moving objects - it can give some artifacts around moving objects = errors.

Clear Plus = 50% additionnal frames are repeated from original frames + 50% additional frames are black frames insertion, no artifacts.

Off = all additionnal frames are repeated from original frames, no artifacts.

CineMotion: Auto 1 (personnal taste)
NOTES :
CineMotion applies to film sources only and works in conjonction with Motionflow and does inverse telecine and deinterlacing.

Auto 1 : permits Motionflow to do frame interpolation on film sources and does deinterlacing if needed, no impact on non film sources. If Motionflow is set to off, some frames/pixel blocks can be interpolated, but it generally does 10:10 pulldown on 24p sources.

Auto 2 : no frame interpolation on film sources, does 10:10 pulldown on 24p sources and deinterlacing if needed, no impact on non film sources. Motionflow set to Smooth or Standard is automatically disabled.

Off : no frame interpolation on film sources, does 12:8 pulldown on 24p sources and deinterlacing if needed, no impact on non film sources. Motionflow set to Smooth or Standard is automatically disabled


-Advanced Settings submenu-

Black Corrector: Off (On crushes greyscale gamma below 40 IRE = errors, set to Low to reduce banding/clouding)

Adv. Contrast Enhancer: Off (On crushes/blooms greyscale gamma = errors)

Gamma: -1 (gives average greyscale gamma = 2,26)

LED Dynamic Control: Standard (personnal taste, real black (no light)/full white is blacker/brighter because LED guided lines and rows can be modulated, On reduces banding/clouding)

Auto Light Limiter: Off (personnal taste)

Clear White: Off (On blooms gamma from 80 to 100 IRE)

Live Color: Off (On gives color decoder errors)

White Balance: (Gain : R:-2/G:-5/B:0 - Bias : R:0/G:0/B:0 - gives average greyscale color coordinates/temperature = D65/6500K)

Detail Enhancer: Off (On introduces pixel resolution artificial enhancement = errors)

Edge Enhancer: Off (On introduces edge artificial enhancement = errors)

Skin Naturalizer: Off [grayed out]

i/p Conversion Preference: Quality [grayed out]


--Picture & Display--

Ambient Sensor: Off (personnal taste, On changes Backlight, Brightness and Color settings according to ambient light = maybe erros - turn On to reduce banding/clouding)


--Screen menu--

Setting Memory: [any]

Wide Mode: Full (personnal taste)

Auto Wide: Off (personnal taste)

4:3 Default: Off [grayed out]

Auto Display Area: Off (personnal taste)

Display Area: Full Pixel (optimal)

Screen Position: [grayed out]

Vertical Size: 0 [grayed out]


--Pro Picture Setup menu--

HDMI RGB dynamic range : Auto is correct, but you can set it to Full to avoid mapping/compression of greyscale for film/tv sources.
NOTES :
Full = computer/games range color levels from 0 to 255 (for example, when Brightness = 50, black in a film/tv source will appear grey because black level is at 16 in the source -> Brightness must be decreased to 26 to achieve proper black level on film/tv sources). Brightness must be re-calibrated (=?) if the source is in the computer/games range color levels 0-255. Same reasoning applies to Contrast settings.

Limited = film/tv range color levels from 16 to 235 (for example, when Brightness = 50, black in a film/tv source will appear black because the TV does a mapping/compression from the source black level (16) to the TV black level (0) (because the TV is a computer screen able to produce color levels from 0 to 255) -> Brightness must be set to 50 to achieve proper black level on film/TV sources). For computer/games sources, the greyscale gamma will be crushed because color levels below 16 do not exist anymore and are set to 16 which is mapped to 0 by the TV. Brightness must be re-calibrated (=?) if the source is in the computer/games range color levels 0-255, but there will be clipping for color levels below 16. Same reasoning applies to Contrast settings.

Auto : Limited for film/tv sources/Full for computer/games sources and adjust Brightness (how?) automatically from set calibrated value. Limited source = greyscale mapping/compression 16 to 0 - Full source = original.

SBM: On (personnal taste, can't tell the difference)


--Eco menu--

Power Saving: Off (personnal taste, set to Low to reduce banding/clouding, if set to On it smooths the image a bit (why?))


VERDICT

Good TV, but too pricey (Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price - MSRP = 2000$) for the performance and quality levels, especially screen uniformity. Sony should increase the screen quality in exchange for less gadgets (Wi-Fi, Netflix, Internet, Widgets, dynamic edge-lit LED and the likes). Next time, I will definitively buy a Plasma because I'm fed up with LCD screen uniformity problems and dead/stuck pixels. I only bought this LCD because I like interpolated frames, but I can't enjoy it because Smooth setting introduces horrible artifacts. Also, this is the last time I'm buying a Sony TV...they have not the same quality reputation as before (Trinitron/Wega/XBR CRT ages).

PROS:
- superb natural colors
- accurate and uniform greyscale gamma (average gamma = 2.26 - Delta E94 ranges from 0.3 to 1.8)
- accurate and uniform greyscale color temperature (color temperature from 6472K to 6704K)
- superp shadow details
- high contrast ratio (on/off = 5 542 322:1 - ANSI = 2400:1)
- Motionflow can eliminate sources judders/strobbing
- a lot of gadgets and connectivity options
- extensive menus

CONS
- colors could be more accurate with a Color Management System (CMS) (Delta E94 ranges from 0.7 to 4.3)
- dynamic edge-lit LED gives mixed results and makes black level vary depending on the scene composition and average picture level (APL)
- screen uniformity is very poor
- screen suffers from heavy banding (horizontal and vertical)
- screen suffers from clouding
- Motionflow can introduce a lot of artifacts

Originally Posted by lastplace

Did the the software update last night, ....
What did the last software update do?

Originally Posted by Mystx

Heya,

I tried your settings and the screen looks gorgeous - but I got a problem - when I move the analog stick on the PS3 (you know scanning the area) it blurs badly! Basically with quick motion. The thing is.... I'm playing ICO - which is a relatively old game... not sure if that's the problem... any ideas? I know there was no blurring with BTBuck1's setting

EDITING: I primarily use this TV to play video games... and I guess watch some TV series as well

Originally Posted by WireJockey

I'm looking for feedback specifically on the 65" panel with regard to panel issues, flashlights, banding, etc.
I have the 46" already, and there is minimal flashlights and no banding to my eye.

Originally Posted by steve ans

The list price for the 55" was originally about $2700 in line with other manufacturers of the same or similar specs...or maybe even less than others. I have no banding,no stuck or dead pixels, no flash lighting, excellent uniformity with very little clouding/blooming only when viewing a black screen in a pitch black room (like a credit roll), an issue inherent in may LCD panels. The picture is great, the 3D is wonderful. I believe if one looks hard enough, there will be some anomaly in an LCD panel. I got my 55HX729 for a song during the Black Friday w/e and am very happy with it. There are certain things that plasma does do better: uniformity, motion but it too has it's negatives. This isn't like the old CRT days of perfection. I would like to try your settings. I sort of like it out of the box with the color toned down, backlight at 5, and color neutral, Motionflow set to clear.

Originally Posted by Mystx

Heya,

Sorry if I confused - I used MoonRabbit79's setting since I'm well a noob (this is my first HDTV) and I got it for 1 grand ^___^ during black Friday. No complaints here - but when I tried this particular setting - there is blur with fast movement - could be because it's an older game that was remastered maybe? I used MoonRabbit79's setting because he tried his with his PS3 and that's what I'll be using it mostly for too

Originally Posted by bspvette86

What Version did it give you? Really hard to know what the last version did since Sony still has not posted the software or release notes on their support site.... I have even commented on their forums about this, and they just said they would notify the people who update it. (BAH)

Cheers!
bspvette86

Originally Posted by dave98svt

Me too. Good luck. It appears nobody on AVS forums has seen a 65hx729. If I hadn't talked to Sony I wouldn't believe they exist.

Originally Posted by mgmlot93

After a few days with my new (exchanged) 65hx72 i must say i am pretty pleased with it. It seems to even have a better picture than the first one. That one must have been a bad panel all the way around. Still wondering if i should have upgraded when i exchanged but i am much happier.

Originally Posted by mgmlot93

After a few days with my new (exchanged) 65hx72 i must say i am pretty pleased with it. It seems to even have a better picture than the first one. That one must have been a bad panel all the way around. Still wondering if i should have upgraded when i exchanged but i am much happier.

Originally Posted by wirejockey


so, you have a 65" now? What was the earlier unit that had problems. You may have the only 65" on the forum, so any information on the panel quality would be welcome!

Originally Posted by mgmlot93

I had the 65" to start with. It was bad out of the box. Exchanged it and much better now.

Originally Posted by thomasdavis79

Hey everyone,

Was wondering if anyone is experiencing some of the same problems I'm having with my sony 55hx729.

Most recent issue: While changing the station, emitted a very loud beep (almost like a car horn...yeah, I'm serious), then turned off and back on. Sony splash screen came one. Went immediately to the station I wanted.

I also had problems with it shutting off and back on but realized it was due to the power cord I had it plugged into. Now it's plugged directly into the wall.

The other issue I had was when I had the energy saver function on (the one where it says if it doesn't receive any signals after 15 minutes, it shuts off). While turning it ON, the television would (sometimes) immediately turn off. After turning this function off, I've had no problems in this area.

Very quirky.

Anyone experience like problem(s)?

Originally Posted by steve ans

This is admittedly an obsessive question to those who have a 55HX729. I experimented tilting the screen back the 6 degrees since my vintage Grand Wega stand is low. I didn't like it looking that way so after several tilts, i can't seem to get the display at zero degrees or a 90 degree angle. It still is ever so slightly tiled back (measuring with a level but trusting my fussy eye). I'm wondering if the tilt back adjustment threw it off a bit or if the screen just doesn't sit perfectly straight. I'm going to assemble a new, higher stand/base (the Proforma on the SonyStyle site) and would rather the TV sit perfectly straight. I'm using the glass table base on the stand and not that mounting thing. It's not off a lot but enough to catch my eye. Thanks, all!

Originally Posted by lastplace

I have an Init stand, the 55 is at 22"(same as my old sony stand) and looks great, sits at 90 deg. Is there a base tilt option or are you shimming the stand? I find the 55HX729 stand to be a little "flimsy", not rock solid.

I consider the Sony stand you purchased, I my situation the glass shelf sticking out won't work.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Init%26%...nit&cp=1&lp=15

Originally Posted by steve ans

I was discussing the Sony HX729 table stand (the sort of wobbly one that comes with the TV), not the Proforma stand that it will sit on once it's assembled after I move.

Originally Posted by lastplace

My post wasn't clear. How did you tilt the TV stand (the one attached to the TV)? You may want to check the mounting point between the stand and TV.

Originally Posted by bspvette86

Release notes finally posted on eSupport

Sony has designed the BRAVIA® Television's software update process to be customer friendly. ...

Originally Posted by bspvette86

Release notes finally posted on eSupport


Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version PKG3.808AAA:

WMV/WMA Codec for DLNA / USB