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You're posting in the clone thread, so obvious consensus is clones. Not even close.

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You're posting in the clone thread, so obvious consensus is clones. Not even close.

True, but I figured most guys here have had the EP's along with the clones at one point and could provide feedback on which way they'd go. wink.gif
post #2283 of 4398
I replaced 4 ep-4000's with one clone and the clone is better.
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I replaced 4 ep-4000's with one clone and the clone is better.

Thanks MK. Assuming you would recommend the 10K over the 14K for 4 subs?
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I replaced 4 ep-4000's with one clone and the clone is better.

Interesting.....

Noted for future upgrade path. biggrin.gif
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I would get the 14k and wire all 4 subs as one if they are all on the same plane(front stage or back stage). They will act as one giant sub but if they are going to go all over and spread out the multiple channels work great. My 12 drivers are all wired as one sub with one sub cable on a bridged 14k. No splitting y cables or anything for me anymore. All the subs work as one unit so I say I have one sub now like a paradigm sub2. Rather than 6 10's I have 12 13's and a 14000 watt amp. Either way will work and either way is better than the EP-4000's. I had the EP's running 8 190v2's. I had each 190v2 on one channel of the berry so 4 berries and 8 channels. The berries clip lights would go on once in a blue moon during the usual suspects. I hit 122 dBs at 10hz with them at the LP. I have 12 Drivers on one clone and even with a low shelf of 3 dBs and 5 dBs hot I never clip the clone. I also have hit 130 dBs at 10hz with these Drivers. The 18's had more displacement but above 25hz. These are flatter and with much less rolloff than their 18 inch cousins.

Short answer, clone all the way! I know they are risky but I have a company that could fix mine if need be. No problems at all.
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I would get the 14k and wire all 4 subs as one if they are all on the same plane(front stage or back stage). They will act as one giant sub but if they are going to go all over and spread out the multiple channels work great. My 12 drivers are all wired as one sub with one sub cable on a bridged 14k. No splitting y cables or anything for me anymore. All the subs work as one unit so I say I have one sub now like a paradigm sub2. Rather than 6 10's I have 12 13's and a 14000 watt amp. Either way will work and either way is better than the EP-4000's. I had the EP's running 8 190v2's. I had each 190v2 on one channel of the berry so 4 berries and 8 channels. The berries clip lights would go on once in a blue moon during the usual suspects. I hit 122 dBs at 10hz with them at the LP. I have 12 Drivers on one clone and even with a low shelf of 3 dBs and 5 dBs hot I never clip the clone. I also have hit 130 dBs at 10hz with these Drivers. The 18's had more displacement but above 25hz. These are flatter and with much less rolloff than their 18 inch cousins.
Short answer, clone all the way! I know they are risky but I have a company that could fix mine if need be. No problems at all.

Great explanation, thanks MK. Husker also recommended the 14K over the 10K so I will go that route. I might have to hit you up for some wiring help when the time comes biggrin.gif
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Whats up with the newer series listed on the site. The FB series, specifically the FB-10KQ. Anyone try it yet ?
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The power specs are the same and so is the back of the amp. I could be wrong but a slight tweak of the name and a face lift seems like an attempt to avoid comparison to the real Lab Gruppen.
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According to this , the FB series is CE certified ?? http://sanway.en.alibaba.com/product/615437165-213254250/Best_Audio_Amplifier_FB_10KQ_.html
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So is the FP.
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what`s the difference between the FP and FB amps?
Looking at the specs they look identical unless I missed something?

Thanks
post #2293 of 4398
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Different case. Cheaper to make that crap case than LG clone looking case. Also, LG case is patented.
post #2294 of 4398
Thanks Not,

So it`s only an esthetic change
post #2295 of 4398
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Can't say for sure, they don't have any internal pictures. stats seem the same.
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Again, thanks for your response Not,
I may be looking for another 10000Q as I`m seriously considering adding 4x 18SI`s to my HT Room.

Man...does this ever end?

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post #2297 of 4398
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Ended for me wink.gif

You should ask them for internal pictures and/or differences to FP line. I assume its all the same.
post #2298 of 4398
I talked to them, the only difference is the front panel and the FB is about $20 cheaper . I will be ordering a 10000q around the 29th.
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According to this , the FB series is CE certified ?? http://sanway.en.alibaba.com/product/615437165-213254250/Best_Audio_Amplifier_FB_10KQ_.html

Chinese export certified CE
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True, but I figured most guys here have had the EP's along with the clones at one point and could provide feedback on which way they'd go. wink.gif

Replaced 2 EP4000s with a clone and the clone is night and day... Thus far its held up to the abuse and I do quite a bit of music playing at full tilt. Will likely be getting one more eventually although I do have a fear of getting a bad one still. redface.gif
post #2301 of 4398
Same here, replaced 2 EPX4000's with a 14k. The EPX's were maxed out on the gains. The 14k is at maybe 30% on the dials. Even with the problem I had and the repair the switch to the 14k it was still worth it to me.
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From my short testing, the 10kQ is like 4 bridged EP4k's, but with 1/5th the weight, 1/4 the size, a wider sensivity range, and never overheating, and less likely to clip on ULF.
It was worth every penny paid. If only it weren't so risky.
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Has anyone compared a clone compared to a high end amp for speakers? The 10Q at 2100 watts per channel into 4 ohms and 4 channels has me interested to run my speakers. I am using a high powered high end amp which equates to 500 watts per channel and plenty but I am curious.
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I read from one user that did, forgot who but he said he was pleasantly surprised by how good the 10q sounded full range.
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Has anyone compared a clone compared to a high end amp for speakers? The 10Q at 2100 watts per channel into 4 ohms and 4 channels has me interested to run my speakers. I am using a high powered high end amp which equates to 500 watts per channel and plenty but I am curious.

MK, I will tell you when I compare the real FP 14000 and clone, I have both. I also have the 10000Q, so I will do some listening tests. I warn that it will be subjective, as I have nothing to test these with other than a set of ears.
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Sounds good to me.
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From my short testing, the 10kQ is like 4 bridged EP4k's, but with 1/5th the weight, 1/4 the size, a wider sensivity range, and never overheating, and less likely to clip on ULF.
It was worth every penny paid. If only it weren't so risky.

How much are the 10kq's?

I went to the site but you have to sign up for their email campaign before they will send you info. I'd prefer not to get any more junk mail right now. cool.gif
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Just placed a order for a fp10000q. Will keep you guys posted. I will be powering 4 jbl 4645c's with it.
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How much are the 10kq's?
I went to the site but you have to sign up for their email campaign before they will send you info. I'd prefer not to get any more junk mail right now. cool.gif

Are you talking real FP 10000Q amps? If so , I got mine for a little bit less than $6K. I also got the real FP 14000 for a little over $6K.
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