Lab Gruppen FP14000 clone amplifiers - Page 80

Not sure what you're asking precisely, but I have not had a single amp fail on me, of any brand, since 2001; I've been lucky that way, but I've also never driven my amps into heavy-clipping either, so that may have something to do with it...

I got my FP9000 amp a few days ago. Arrived FedEx in good condition. Of course, i had to take the cover off to see the insides. Everything is the same as the FP1400 except for 2 of the large left front capacitors not there and a couple of the output transistors also missing. I haven't used it yet as I'm still building my subs, but I did l plug it in and turn it on to listen to the fans. Robert of Sanway told me not to worry about the fan noise because they were using quiet fans now. I think Robert needs to have his hearing checked because these things sound as loud as my shop vacuum cleaner. As you can imagine, I have some quiet fans on order. I also received Sanway's clone of the Ashly Protea 4.8 DSP. Looks like a nice piece of equipment. I'll be using that as soon as my subs are finished.
Edited by fperra - 1/6/13 at 7:36pm

Cool fperra, yes the fans are loud and I got the sunon fans which are supposed to be quieter. Than what is the question.

I still like Nots system the best. I would do the same if I could. One clone per pair of subs. And come to think of it Ricci's eight, I believe, XXX 18's would be nice also.

I hope this Fp9000 works out also. I have been interested in learning more about that model as well as the Fp7000. But for only another 100 or so seems like why not just get the 14k?

I agree, why remove 3200watts to save $100? That's only like, the cost of a large pizza and a partial tank of gas; or a family viewing of one IMAX movie with popcorn.

I'm asking if when you're doing your high power testing are you also monitoring the AC mains voltage. Is it holding 120V (or 240V) during the high output tests or is it sagging to 100V (or whatever)? Some amps still do relatively OK with sagging AC mains others not so much.

When I did my sine wave THD testing on my subs my amp never clipped and my lights never dimmed, I am not sure if that helps or not. I have it connected to a 20 amp circuit with 4 regular outlets. The clone is the only source plugged into that outlaw and circuit. The clone is bridged powering 12 13av2's as one sub and gets about a 6.3 ohm load(I am sure it varies).

Why pay an extra $100 for watts that I'll never use. And if I had gone with the 1400 I would have had to run a new 30 amp line to the amp which would have cast a lot more than $100.

YOu don't need a 30 amp circuit. The point many of us have made is that there are only a few of the amps that have been tested and tested over again under real circumstances. The FP14k and FP9K have had success(Bosso needs to confirm this as I think he uses this model) and the 10Q has had more issues than the others. I never had a problem with either amp but others have.

I hooked up the clone Ashley Protea 4.8 into my system today and I like it much better than the DCX2496. It's much quieter, and way easier to program. I have it feeding my home built bi-amp'd 2 way electrostatic main speakers and my bi-amp'd center channel. The remaining two outputs will go to the FP9000 to drive my two subs which are now being built.

Jesus Christ! It costs 4x as much... I sure as hell hope it's "better".

To answer your question, 100v won't affect the clone. I have one clone I bought in the early days FP14000 @ 115v type (went with the real clones for my setup) and they work well on 100v mains. I believe they have a pretty wide range in regards to voltage.

Got any pics??

??? DCX2496 typically can be found for $280 to $300. The Sanway Ashley 4.8 clone was $397.

Oh? Oh! I looked up the actual Ashly. Totally slipped my mind that this was a .... Sanway. Go figure.

At my old house most of the time it held at 119v, even on a bad day it might be 116v which is still within spec.
My new house I have no idea yet... the breaker panel is just being installed as we speak.

I don't know if this was mentioned yet, but Sanway can be found on Alibaba.com and Aliexpress.com. Aliexpress provides some transaction security, and you might be able to pay via credit card.

Hello forum, i been a lurker and a proud user of 2 Samway 10000Q. I use this in my sound business on a monitor duty. But something that i can't figure it out is this.

I bought them maybe 6 months apart but on one occasion i was checking after a weekend in summer, and when i connect 4 mons one on each ch at 8 ohms, the channel 3 it was going in to a protection mode, the weir part was if i only use number 3, 4 and 1 no problem.

Of course i change cables, speakers and even the other identical amp, but still was doing the same thing. Note that all my speakers cables have Speakon NL4 and they're wires for a Bi-Amp systems.

I contact Johnson and he email-me immediately and ask me to take a video but i got a very important gig next day so i couldn't send it. Anyways after thinking and talking to my mentor and my cousin we decide to try the 3rd channel with a single Speakon NL4 but nothing connected
to (2+ 2-) and it work like a champion.

So what exactly is happening? noted that the amp is in stereo mode.

Thanks,

Ibooktop

they take paypal directly now, cheaper then prices on aliexpress or alibaba as well.
fyi aliexpress doesn't really offer too much protection. paypal offers pretty good protection for buyers usually.

Only on purchases made via ebay. For purchases made outside of ebay as long as the seller can show that they shipped you something and that it was delivered they'll win any attempted action.

FWIW I paid them through paypal and received my products in only a few days.

In the past I've also filed claims via paypal against sellers (non-ebay related) and had money returned to me successfully. These occasions were a few years back so not sure how much of their policies have changed since then though.

you can link your paypal directly to a credit card, and if you have one that has good CS/ buyer protection it works just like using your CC in the store. Mine is tied to my Amex and they have gotten me my money back on the few times ive gotten boned

I'm seriously considering FP13000.

Have pretty much read the entire thread, over the last few months, just need quick summary regarding any improvements on the units since August 2012.

Find it a little strange, people using high powered amps like these on home cinema systems.

IMHO, doesn't really qualify as a test of functionality.

Testing the amps in 4/2.66 ohm stereo, with 800W-1000W drivers, and bass heavy material, HPF=35hz, would be more relevant scenario for me, as
this is how I intend to use them.

on the AVS forums, it is mostly about home related audio/video stuff, thats why most people in this thread is using them at home.

there are quite a few people that use them for proaudio stuff and i don't think there has been too much negative with the amps yet.
People use these for their home cinema systems because they have the need for the power, lots of guys here have multiple big subwoofers, and the need for the house to shake a bit.

Even if you assume the amps will only deliver 66% of the quoted specs due to being lightweight & Chinese, still don't see the need for many killowatts in a living room.

Maybe some could try MC2 1250 on subwoofers in their house, and tell me if it lacks sound quality or power driving 2x 2x15s per channel in a house.

i think its probably the power these deliver for the price, you can't get anything close to the watts per dollar that these offer.

I came here with a lot of experience in the pro audio world.

Perhaps you're underestimating what it takes for reference level playback of the LFE spec (3hz-120hz), including all redirected bass management. Not too many fully grasp what a system is facing to achieve ref levels and cover the spec.

Hit 120dB plus peaks at the LP. Be mindful of the EL curves and audibility threshold of LF/ULF. Our hearing just does not stop at a certain point, it just requires much greater SPL to achieve audibility. Remember, loudness, and sound pressure are entirely different and frequency and level dependent.

About 20hz, 75dB is needed for audibility. At about 16Hz, 85dB is needed. At 10Hz, about 100dB SPL, and an octave lower at 5hz, audibility threshold is about 110dBSPL.

Consider a sub system with a given performance SPL level at a given frequency. Now, every octave lower requires a quadrupling of like powered drivers to maintain a certain dBSPL. This elevates system requirements incredibly, when merely attempting to cover the LFE spec at reference level. Thus, you see the high power 8 driver (on up) sub systems. Myself, I've got four 18s, four 15s. Add in LT EQ'ing, to properly shape the response of a small sealed box, the power requirement climb significantly.

High performance HT is another world from performance pro audio.

Thanks

Uh. Look around a bit. Plenty of people putting these amps through their paces in home use. It's crazy. Yes. But this is AVS. We are not your run of the mill consumers.