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post #2611 of 3108
3/12/13 at 1:02pm
MK, I don't think you will have fun powering the RE's in a pair with the FP14k, if you are doing 4, you'll want two...
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post #2612 of 3108
3/12/13 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

4 of Ricci's updated GH's?

Tell me I'm wrong...lol

Sorry for getting off topic. New thread with the updates coming MK?
Speaking of new threads....... WHERE'S YOURS MAN??!!!
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post #2613 of 3108
3/12/13 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

4 of Ricci's updated GH's?

Tell me I'm wrong...lol

Sorry for getting off topic. New thread with the updates coming MK?

No, I like 10hz stuff so a GH would not do it.
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post #2614 of 3108
3/12/13 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

No, I like 10hz stuff so a GH would not do it.

Oh man, of course! What was I thinking...
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post #2615 of 3108
3/12/13 at 4:09pm
So are the 14k's still OK to buy or too much trouble nowadays?
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post #2616 of 3108
3/12/13 at 4:16pm
Didn't you just sell yours, James? smile.gif

I'd also like an answer to that question.
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post #2617 of 3108
3/12/13 at 5:38pm
Yeah but now I am amp less for my subs. I am sending two drivers to lilmike to see if they would work in a low tuned tapped horn. I am also going to build a couple LLT's with them and compare the dual sealed against the LLT with measurements. I will tune it to 11 hz! They will be sonosubs. My DTS10's were flat to 9hz without any EQ at all(not counting Midbass, just extension). A 11hz tuned sub would get me very close to a sealed sub as extension is concerned and gain huge SPL's at 8-18hz.
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post #2618 of 3108
3/12/13 at 10:36pm
The more I have read the more I am thinking of just getting two amps instead of the clone. Until we get something worked out with a builder I can't afford to waste money. Others can but I am always counting nickels and pennies.
Edited by chrapladm - 3/13/13 at 3:13am
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post #2619 of 3108
3/12/13 at 10:48pm
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The more I have read the more I am thinking of just getting two amps instead of the clone. Until we get something worked out with a builder I can afford to waste money. Others can but I am always counting nickels and pennies.

Same. As shocking as it will be to say, I'm looking at getting dual iNuke 6000's. They have the power I need (measured), easy as hell to replace fans, lightweight and priced accordingly. I can get them on Amazon and get free two day shipping. Win mutha-f**king-win!
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post #2620 of 3108
3/13/13 at 1:02am
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Originally Posted by Gorilla83 View Post

One tip - Be VERY careful about letting the caps discharge before you change the fuses. I waited about 10-15 minutes which apparently was not enough. It was a stupid mistake not to check voltage first but I (incorrectly) assumed they wouldn't hold a charge that long. I wound up replacing the power supply board which was not a simple job.
if the power supply board are not design with a bleeder resistor in them, then no matter how long you let the amp sit, the large reservoir caps will never discharge.

some poorly design amps don't include any and depend on the power amps themselves to discharge the caps by letting the amplification run until all current from the caps are drained. not a good design when you have fuses in between the power caps and the power amp. when the fuse blow, the caps won't discharge.

check all power caps before touching anything. drain any leftover charge by a bleeder resistor to ground. a 1-2 kohm 5w resistor will work well.
touch a 240V AC and you'll get a nasty shock but most people will survive. touch a 400V AC and you'd still probably survive. but touch a 200V DC wrongly and you'll stop your heart in an instant.

DC are a lot more dangerous than AC.
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post #2621 of 3108
3/14/13 at 9:06am
I am ordering another clone. I can't think of a better solution to have 9600 watts that I will need.
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post #2622 of 3108
3/14/13 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Same. As shocking as it will be to say, I'm looking at getting dual iNuke 6000's. They have the power I need (measured), easy as hell to replace fans, lightweight and priced accordingly. I can get them on Amazon and get free two day shipping. Win mutha-f**king-win!

Dammit Scott... mad.giftongue.gifwink.gif I had a sense of comfort knowing you were using the same amp as me to power the 8 SI drivers - or are you using the inukes for something else?
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post #2623 of 3108
3/14/13 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Dammit Scott... mad.giftongue.gifwink.gif I had a sense of comfort knowing you were using the same amp as me to power the 8 SI drivers - or are you using the inukes for something else?

Yeah, sorry about that. I still might get the CV5000. It's the next choice and probably the better choice over the iNukes really so you're doing fine. Trust me.

The reason I was thinking of switching was because I like that they are lightweight. I'm a small guy and I'll probably need someone else just to help me move the CV. redface.gif Also, the fan mod looks WAY simple. I like that. smile.gif Then there is the fact that I can get four channels instead of two and that makes it easy for me to do the hookup. While that very well could have helped you out too. I really wasn't even considering any iNuke at all when you were in the planning stages. One thing though is that six subs paired up with my active mains uber build, I need some simplicity during the hookup stage and I'll do what I can to not makes things worse. You're lucky you have the Noe's. A simple wire to the AVR and you're done. Each LCR will have four channels of power and then two more for subs... each. Times three. Oye!

It's not definite and the CV is my next choice so we will see what happens. Even I don't know for sure but one thing I do know is good was your choice to use the CV amp. You're solid and getting another one in the future will only makes things better. smile.gif

And yes, I may use the iNukes "for something else". Right now I have a single ep4000 powering the four 15" JBL 2226's per LCR. While that's fine and all it doesn't give each 15" as much power as they could take. I could use an iNuke 6k, which is almost like two ep4k's in one case for each bass section of each LCR. This will save overall case weight and rack space.

I also make WAY LESS money than all of you guys....so I don't feel sorry for y'alls. tongue.gif
Edited by Scott Simonian - 3/14/13 at 11:38am
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post #2624 of 3108
3/14/13 at 12:36pm
What is the power and how much for those CV amps?
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post #2625 of 3108
3/14/13 at 12:59pm
mk,

here is the amp and specs.

Rated Power:
Stereo @ 8 ohms 1100 W
Stereo @ 4 ohms 1800 W
Stereo @ 2 ohms 2500 W
Bridge @ 8 ohms 3600 W
Bridge @ 4 ohms 5000 W

http://www.cerwinvega.com/pro-audio/high-performance-amplifiers/cv-5000.html

i have not seen any bench test, but the pictures of the guts suggest that the amp is reasonably capable and should at least be in the ballpark of the claims.

one guy also confirmed that they do weigh 83 pounds.

they seem to run around $800, with the occasional hundred or so bucks discount.

iirc, it is a poor man's version of the crest ca18.
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post #2626 of 3108
3/14/13 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

mk,

here is the amp and specs.

Rated Power:
Stereo @ 8 ohms 1100 W
Stereo @ 4 ohms 1800 W
Stereo @ 2 ohms 2500 W
Bridge @ 8 ohms 3600 W
Bridge @ 4 ohms 5000 W

http://www.cerwinvega.com/pro-audio/high-performance-amplifiers/cv-5000.html

i have not seen any bench test, but the pictures of the guts suggest that the amp is reasonably capable and should at least be in the ballpark of the claims.

one guy also confirmed that they do weigh 83 pounds.

they seem to run around $800, with the occasional hundred or so bucks discount.

iirc, it is a poor man's version of the crest ca18.

Thanks, I just ordered a FP14K, I can't resist the results I was getting with them. Massive power and no rolloff, after some researching my rolloff is due to my soundcard. It is down 10 dBs at 5hz. So even though my graphs drop off at 5hz they really don't, I just can't measure them right. If I add 10 dBs to 5hz I am flat to at least 4hz.
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post #2627 of 3108
3/14/13 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I am ordering another clone. I can't think of a better solution to have 9600 watts that I will need.

+1

If you lived closer I'd say lets split the shipping to save a few bucks because I'm ready to pickup another one as well. Can you referesh our memory again as to why you sold your other Clone to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

Yeah, sorry about that. I still might get the CV5000. It's the next choice and probably the better choice over the iNukes really so you're doing fine. Trust me.

The reason I was thinking of switching was because I like that they are lightweight. I'm a small guy and I'll probably need someone else just to help me move the CV. redface.gif Also, the fan mod looks WAY simple. I like that. smile.gif Then there is the fact that I can get four channels instead of two and that makes it easy for me to do the hookup. While that very well could have helped you out too. I really wasn't even considering any iNuke at all when you were in the planning stages. One thing though is that six subs paired up with my active mains uber build, I need some simplicity during the hookup stage and I'll do what I can to not makes things worse. You're lucky you have the Noe's. A simple wire to the AVR and you're done. Each LCR will have four channels of power and then two more for subs... each. Times three. Oye!

It's not definite and the CV is my next choice so we will see what happens. Even I don't know for sure but one thing I do know is good was your choice to use the CV amp. You're solid and getting another one in the future will only makes things better. smile.gif

And yes, I may use the iNukes "for something else". Right now I have a single ep4000 powering the four 15" JBL 2226's per LCR. While that's fine and all it doesn't give each 15" as much power as they could take. I could use an iNuke 6k, which is almost like two ep4k's in one case for each bass section of each LCR. This will save overall case weight and rack space.

I also make WAY LESS money than all of you guys....so I don't feel sorry for y'alls. tongue.gif

At this point I've owned all three. I can confidently saw that I subjectively thought the CV did a better job powering my LMS-U's for the short time I owned it before I got my Clone repaired. Loved the DSP, light weight and fan mod-ability of the iNuke though.
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post #2628 of 3108
3/14/13 at 1:48pm
Forgot to mention that the iNuke starts to roll @ 10Hz. I've yet to see the bench on the CV, but I'm confident that it's not...that.
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post #2629 of 3108
3/14/13 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

my rolloff is due to my soundcard. It is down 10 dBs at 5hz. So even though my graphs drop off at 5hz they really don't, I just can't measure them right.

I thought that in REW you can create a soundcard/DSP calibration file via a loop-back wiring sweep?
That should help alleviate/counter most of that electronic variance.
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post #2630 of 3108
3/14/13 at 1:58pm
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Originally Posted by BassThatHz View Post

I thought that in REW you can create a soundcard/DSP calibration file via a loop-back wiring sweep?
That should help alleviate/counter most of that electronic variance.

I did and use the file. The funny thing is when I run a graph with it and then delete the file and then run another sweep they are the same. Maybe I need to rerun the soundcard calibration again.
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post #2631 of 3108
3/14/13 at 2:09pm
Amp is back to normal today although i havent run any audio thru it yet.. Blown fuse on channel and small discoloration of two of the big transistors but it still reads within normal range.. Temp and mute light is off ill run some audio thru it later on this week without speakers connected to ensure signal works then move from there..
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post #2632 of 3108
3/14/13 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Forgot to mention that the iNuke starts to roll @ 10Hz. I've yet to see the bench on the CV, but I'm confident that it's not...that.

No, it shouldn't be as bad with the CV. It should be pretty decent down to 5hz at least.

Yeah I don't know. I would prefer to get TWO 14k clones and at this point that is expensive and if they do have or develop problems then I'll be screwed out of having subwoofers in use completely. I am certain that new/better amps will be part of the upgrade path for my uber build. If I try now, I'll never finish these things. redface.gif
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post #2633 of 3108
3/14/13 at 4:19pm
I looked at buying a CC5000 also as an alternative. I can find them for not to expensive and seem to love all my crest amplifiers. The only other option for me is a pair of Crest Pro 9200's. And at about 1800 each that wont be happening. I have a dealer who was suggesting he will send me a PKN XE6000 to play with on my subs to see how I like it. SO that week with that amp will be fun. And after hearing my subs have enough power finally I may have to figure out a way to still try a clone 14K.

Scott I probably am in the same boat when it comes to money. Or lack there of. When I ordered my 21's I worried about the cost. But then 15months later I had the money for them . LOL

I still like the fact that these clones put out 8800 watts for 8ohm. I need that amount of power and it cant be found almost anywhere. Marathon 5050 per sub maybe. Wish there was someone with know how and capital that could purchase 10 or so of these clones make sure they work, beat on them like Ricci does with speakers and then give them their blessing. Add a premium on the amp of 1-200 dollars would be fine with me if it meant there was more of a guarantee of them working. I admire all that have taken the risk and posted here about their experiences. I have learned a lot.

I am still thinking about the clone purchase but will have to wait for now. MK I look forward to seeing your results also. It seemed in the beginning the 14K's were doing fine. But as of lately it seems like the 14K are starting to have just as many problems as the 10K.
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post #2634 of 3108
3/14/13 at 6:49pm
For anyone who has received an FP14000 clone recently, has Sanway gone back to double boxing them for shipping. For those of you who have just ordered, please report back when they arrive.
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post #2635 of 3108
3/14/13 at 8:20pm
I will let you guys know.
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post #2636 of 3108
3/15/13 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by fperra View Post

For anyone who has received an FP14000 clone recently, has Sanway gone back to double boxing them for shipping. For those of you who have just ordered, please report back when they arrive.

All three of mine came in double boxed i really think you got a weird one...
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post #2637 of 3108
3/15/13 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by Jason kiDD View Post

All three of mine came in double boxed i really think you got a weird one...

I suspect you are right. I bought an FP9000 from them before my 14000 and it came double boxed. In any case, I was able to straighten all the bent panels and it works fine.
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post #2638 of 3108
3/15/13 at 8:15am
My amp I received last week (FP14000) was double boxed as well as the FP I received in December of last year.
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post #2639 of 3108
3/15/13 at 8:34am
What is the exact URL you guys are purchasing these from? Or do you need to contact their guy first.
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post #2640 of 3108
3/15/13 at 11:02am
Either Johnson or Robert via email at sales2@china-sanway.com. Their web page is http://www.china-sanway.com/
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