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post #301 of 2990
I would try running off a single channel since that way the amp will distort less and heat up less, its not like you really need more than the 8kw bursts those amps can output in stereo mode.
post #302 of 2990
I don't see how the LMS 5400 can take 4kW without over excursion. Modeling in WinISD even at 3ft^3 per driver passes 38mm excursion at 3-4Hz even with as little as 2500W.
post #303 of 2990
Thread Starter 
It will pass xmax. I've had mine tap the bottom plate during the crazy scene in HTTYD. Either turn down the gain, don't push it that hard, or run a HPF.

Personally, I'm in the process of assembling a minidsp 2x8 box to handle this. Fortunately, I have 10db of gain from 10hz to 7hz alone, so I have plenty of area to trim out that will help flatten my response while keeping the drivers safe.
post #304 of 2990
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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post

For example, the RS meter is known to not be accurate for measuring peak dBSPL of a snapshot of a scene, or a single frequency sine wave tone, but it will be very accurate when comparing the reading of one subwoofer vs another in the same room and under the same conditions.

Bosso


If you use the correct RS SPL meter and the correct meter settings, the measured peak SPL levels of a RS SPL meter are right in the ball park of the theoretical calculations!







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Originally Posted by bossobass View Post


When fairly accurately configured, SpecLab will show the relative intensity of each frequency in the spread of frequencies in any given encoded effect. Because digital formats have a brick wall ceiling at 0dBFS (decibels below full scale), above which there is clipping and the resultant terribly distorted sound, any single frequency is always encoded at minus 'x' dB below 0dBFS, so that the sum of all of the frequencies in the effect do not exceed 0dBFS.

So, looking at the scene of the giant dragon hitting the ground in HTTYD, the highlighted ULF frequencies are shown to be encoded at approximately -5 to -10dBFS. Ultimately, when played through a properly calibrated system that's flat to 3 Hz, the total dBSPL of any given effect snapshot will be a maximum of around 121dB, but actually closer to 118dB in most cases.

Bosso



Your numbers are way off. When you measure more than one channel (AKA BM in use) with any software then you can easily get close to +10 to +15 dB FS (AKA theoretical FS) total output levels due to signal addition.

The nominal peak output level for any single frequency bin in Spectrum Lab will be in the -20 dB FS area for each channel with typical audio content. The ballpark level of the entire composite signal can be estimated with the amplitude bar graph that most people either do not use or do not calibrate. In any case, the Spectrum Lab FS calibration is only accurate for evaluating one single channel at a time. If your source material is DD, then the DD Dialnorm value that was used also has to be compensated for.
post #305 of 2990
"The nominal peak output level for any single frequency bin in Spectrum Lab will be in the -20 dB FS area for each channel with typical audio content."

what? modern audio content is jammed as hard up against 0db as possible.
post #306 of 2990
'not, i just reread all 11 pages of this thread. good stuff and folks who are looking for high power amps for a song should definitely give the whole thing a read.

as you have been hitting those amps pretty hard for a little while now, how are they holding up? in another thread, ricci mentioned that he selected a k10 clone. did you consider other clones or just the lab gruppen designs?
post #307 of 2990
John. Not a clone. A rebranded k10 under the Sennheiser umbrella. It is a k10.
post #308 of 2990
roger that ricci. thanks for the clarification.
post #309 of 2990
I think I am sold on the LG clone myself. But I dont want to be too ignorant either. Is there any other clone that comes close to the value of money per watt as this clone?

PLUS I have always wondered what amp Bossa was coming up with but this Fp14000 seems like I would never want anything more other than the real Fp14000.
post #310 of 2990
Just curious,
While Lab.gruppen is a Swedish company & at this time owned by TC Group of Denmark
does any one know if there products are actually assembled at the factory in Faktorvägen Sweden ?, or designed in Sweden & manfactured elsewhere such as China..
post #311 of 2990
They discuss Swedish manufacturing a few times in the brochure, and this rear-panel shot shows Made in Sweden.
LL
post #312 of 2990
My FP14000 showed up today. one of the metal tabs on the back for mounting was slightly bent and a little paint scratched off it and there was a rattle when I moved the amp around. I took off the top cover and out fell a phillips head screw. Good thing I nnoticed that before trying to turn it on. It powers up fine and I think I'll try leaving the existing fans in since it is in a cabinet. One question for those who have one of these clones. Did they send you the labels for the front? I got two, one that just says FP14000 and one that actually says Lab Gruppen. Didn't remember anybody saying they got a Lab Gruppen label.
post #313 of 2990
Thread Starter 
I got the labels, "lab gruppen" and "fp+ series"

I just threw them out.
post #314 of 2990
i only got labels that say fp series, i got ripped off =p
post #315 of 2990
I am going to contact Mr. Tang. One of the stock fans doesn't work and the blades are loose in the fan housing. The amp does seem to operate well. Very surprised at the output with a shared 15A circuit.
post #316 of 2990
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

i only got labels that say fp series, i got ripped off =p

I found mine in the boxes after I threw them out. The "fp+ series" tags were in the bags, and the "lab gruppen" were not.
post #317 of 2990
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post

I found mine in the boxes after I threw them out. The "fp+ series" tags were in the bags, and the "lab gruppen" were not.

Thanks will look around

i keep all my boxes for my ht stuff, so its still around somewhere.

thanks for the info on installing everything. i ended up using zip ties for the bottom fan holes. my bent screwdriver is not exactly soft, but i must have messed it up, it digs into screws taking them out, but cant put them back in.
post #318 of 2990
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

They discuss Swedish manufacturing a few times in the brochure, and this rear-panel shot shows Made in Sweden.

Thanks Roger,
After Visiting Labs site & reading company profile it seems I should of
checked out pictures of the rear of the amps



Jase..
post #319 of 2990
I email Johnson Tang about the bent rear mounting tab and the 60mm fan not functioning and loose blades. He replied that it was "unpolite transportation". The box was in perfect shape and they put a layer of styrofoam around the box and taped it. Oh well, I'm going to replace the fans anyway. Just thought I would test out the world renowned customer service of Sanway.lol.
post #320 of 2990
Hope everything works out. I am still waiting to buy my Fp14000 so hopefully everything will still be a go when I am ready.
post #321 of 2990
Any one know how these lab FP+14000 clones compare to my Class-D MC2 Audio E90's? I believe the E series is -3dB @2Hz
LL
LL
post #322 of 2990
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Originally Posted by keager View Post
I email Johnson Tang about the bent rear mounting tab and the 60mm fan not functioning and loose blades. He replied that it was "unpolite transportation". The box was in perfect shape and they put a layer of styrofoam around the box and taped it. Oh well, I'm going to replace the fans anyway. Just thought I would test out the world renowned customer service of Sanway.lol.
should check the solder joints!
the 60mm fans are copys of nmb fans, atleast they are labeled nmb, but their model has no info available.
post #323 of 2990
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cinema mad View Post

Any one know how these lab FP+14000 clones compare to my Class-D MC2 Audio E90's? I believe the E series is -3dB @2Hz

Looks very similar with the edge going to the E90. I'm not sure about the ULF filters on either, but the E90 is rated for more power.
post #324 of 2990
Power Consumption for the E90
Nominal @ 240v into 4 ohms 7.0A
Nominal @ 120v into 4 ohms 14.0A
post #325 of 2990
those e90's look expensive
post #326 of 2990
what do you guys with the fp14000 clones run gain and vcl at? soft or hard?
post #327 of 2990
for subwoofer duty vcl should be set to hard. glad to hear the zip tie trick worked for you too.
post #328 of 2990
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

those e90's look expensive

8K a piece for the E90's
E series power amps were the work horse for Sturgis Concert
like Aerosmith & the like..
post #329 of 2990
Thought some might like pics for interest in internals old school, clones, new.

http://forum.speakerplans.com/the-am...787_page1.html
http://forum.speakerplans.com/amp-in...opic44897.html
post #330 of 2990
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Originally Posted by hypez604 View Post

for subwoofer duty vcl should be set to hard. glad to hear the zip tie trick worked for you too.

what do you have the gain set at
and what voltage do you have vcl? Thanks
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