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post #3541 of 4375
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post

RMX is 1600wpc at 4ohm, clone is 4400. Yes, it's noticeable. It's not even friggen close. A clone will do 5k bridged at 4ohms, fp14000 will be full power, 14kw. I don't know where your numbers came from.

They were comparing the RMX bridged at 4ohms vs. a single channel of the FP14K at 4ohms.

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post #3542 of 4375
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

They were comparing the RMX bridged at 4ohms vs. a single channel of the FP14K at 4ohms.

Ding* Ding* Ding* Ding* that's right!
post #3543 of 4375
Ya the clone is much more powerful. My RMX is sitting on a shelf in a storage unit as we speak. I've not found an amp that will replace my clones and doubt I ever will unless I went to insane high end stuff.
post #3544 of 4375
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post

RMX is 1600wpc at 4ohm, clone is 4400. Yes, it's noticeable. It's not even friggen close. An RMX will do 5k bridged at 4ohms, fp14000 will be full power, 14kw. I don't know where your numbers came from.
corrected.

is the RMX stable into 2 ohm?
post #3545 of 4375
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Originally Posted by paskal9 View Post

corrected.

is the RMX stable into 2 ohm?

2000 WPC At 2 ohm stereo
post #3546 of 4375
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Originally Posted by paskal9 View Post

corrected.

is the RMX stable into 2 ohm?

It will do 2ohm stereo, but not bridged.
post #3547 of 4375
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Ya the clone is much more powerful. My RMX is sitting on a shelf in a storage unit as we speak. I've not found an amp that will replace my clones and doubt I ever will unless I went to insane high end stuff.

Maybe Johnson can arrange an inexpensive clone of PKN 40K. With the clone price savings you could afford to put in the three phase power required for max output. It does run on single phase though too.

http://www.pknc.com/3phase_eng.html
post #3548 of 4375
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Maybe Johnson can arrange an inexpensive clone of PKN 40K. With the clone price savings you could afford to put in the three phase power required for max output. It does run on single phase though too.

http://www.pknc.com/3phase_eng.html
depending how you look at it, that might not be such a good idea.
post #3549 of 4375
I'm sure if you're PKN or one of their dealers it certainly wouldn't be a good thing, considering the last MSRP I saw was ~$18k USD for the 40K model.
post #3550 of 4375
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Originally Posted by SeekingNirvana View Post

2000 WPC At 2 ohm stereo
Where do you get those numbers on an RMX1400?

It is no where near that much output.
post #3551 of 4375
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Originally Posted by Ivan Beaver View Post

Where do you get those numbers on an RMX1400?

It is no where near that much output.

We were discussing the RMX-5050 not the 1400.
post #3552 of 4375
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

We were discussing the RMX-5050 not the 1400.

That is correct.....all people have to do is read a few posts back to find out I was asking about a RMX-5050 bridged at 4 ohm, compared to one channel on the clone at 4 ohm. The numbers are correct.
post #3553 of 4375
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

Maybe Johnson can arrange an inexpensive clone of PKN 40K. With the clone price savings you could afford to put in the three phase power required for max output. It does run on single phase though too.

http://www.pknc.com/3phase_eng.html

LOL, that thing is insane! I run the clones off 20A lines for 2 and 30A for the other 2 and have no need for anything more. For the most part, the 20A lines are enough for 99.99% of people!
post #3554 of 4375
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

LOL, that thing is insane! I run the clones off 20A lines for 2 and 30A for the other 2 and have no need for anything more. For the most part, the 20A lines are enough for 99.99% of people!

And the remaining 0.01% are in this forum. tongue.gif
post #3555 of 4375
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Originally Posted by Trepidati0n View Post

And the remaining 0.01% are in this forum. tongue.gif

LOL we sure are..... I dunno about you guys but I'm the only person I know out of all my personal friends that has any sort of setup like we see on here. All my friends think I've lost it! tongue.gif
post #3556 of 4375
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

LOL we sure are..... I dunno about you guys but I'm the only person I know out of all my personal friends that has any sort of setup like we see on here. All my friends thinkknow I've lost it! tongue.gif

FTFY
post #3557 of 4375
I posted this on the JTR Thread.. but thought it might benefit those thinking of getting the LG Clones from Johnson (Sanway)... well here goes:

Ok, I have had my LG Clone for about a week now, but as usual procrastinating on setting it up... (haha)... but after reading Gooddoc's review of the amp, i decided to get off my a** and figure it all out.. I managed to make it work... it was a tough road... when i set up the amp, my receiver kept clipping... even at low volumes.. i couldn't figure out why... until finally i found the problem.. .i left the speaker wires still in their banana plugs on the receiver and unplugged from the speakers... apparently you can't do that.. so, after i unplugged the speaker wires from my receiver and only left the 'line out' to my LG clone, the clipping stopped...

Ok, here's my impression:

Myth 1: A Watt is a Watt (BUSTED)

A Watt is NOT a watt... I know previously a lot of discussion on whether you can tell a difference between using a more powerful amp compared to your regular receiver considering the Noesis are 101dB sensitive... Just from a mathematical standpoint, you would think 64 watts is enough to bring the Noesis to Reference.. but in real life, that's not how it work... As soon as I plugged in the LG Clone, like gooddoc said, it's not light and day difference.. it's subtle... suddenly, the Noesis, already perfection in my mind, became MORE perfect.. I can't explain it well.. so, I am going to use some analogies:

a) Imagine the frequency range as a discrete signal like the second hand on the clock.. well, that's how it would sound like on the receiver... basically, not as silky smooth as a continuous line... but the LG turns that into continuous line... Suddenly the music seems more blended together..
b) On my receiver, listening at the level i want to, will sort of tire me out... for some reason, fatique... a little, not by much.. but i felt like i want to go higher, but it's already too loud... remember me complaining about not enough mid bass? Well, suddenly, i can turn the volume up further, like 6dB before it becomes too loud.. and then suddenly because there's more wattage going into the Noesis, the MID BASS came out of hiding.. suddenly i can play loud enough to get 'enough mid bass' out of my noesis... and yet doesn't sound too loud... now, i am not sure i need to build anymore mid bass modules.. but knowing me, greedy and all, i would still most likely build one just out of curiosity... right not, the Noesis is giving me a pretty nice 'pounding' all by itself....
c) Harshness.. the Noesis is one of the least harsh speakers i have ever heard.... yet, just when you don't think it can get smoother, it does with the LG Clone.. Now, I think it's smooth perfection... i don't believe it can get smoother... just like i don't believe bass can get louder than the OS...
d) With very dynamic materials like DTS concert music, my receiver constantly blinks the 'peak' light.. basically, i think there are peaks or materials that it can't output enough wattage... so, it cuts it off... with the LG, it plays every note... basically you get more dynamics out of your speakers...

So, to summarize.. the LG clone is a MUST have to complement your Noesis... You can listen to materials above reference without fatique at all... they sound incredibly smooth... I think i can play 6dB louder than with just my receiver... and feel like it's just as loud, but with more dynamics, like better mid bass, sweeter vocals, smoother response, and more effortless.. like i can keep turning it up and still be able to be in the same room...
post #3558 of 4375
Yup, more power is always a good thing, though in my case, there is no sonic difference between my D-sonic and my clones but I've already got plenty of power to start with.
post #3559 of 4375
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

LOL we sure are..... I dunno about you guys but I'm the only person I know out of all my personal friends that has any sort of setup like we see on here. All my friends think I've lost it! tongue.gif

Exactly. Recently I had a bunch of my friends over to watch football and at halftime I did a demo for them including scenes from a lot of the 5 star bass movies. When it was done the vibe in the room was, "this guy is crazy" instead of the usual reaction of laughter and people loving it when my avs friends come over. One of my buddies at the half time demo said he had heard it before so he wasn't surprised. Hmmm the last time he heard the system I had eD mains and dual Submersives, nothing even close to what I have now. It all seems the same to guys that don't give a s*it so I think I'm done with demo's for non avs people.
post #3560 of 4375
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Exactly. Recently I had a bunch of my friends over to watch football and at halftime I did a demo for them including scenes from a lot of the 5 star bass movies. When it was done the vibe in the room was, "this guy is crazy" instead of the usual reaction of laughter and people loving it when my avs friends come over. One of my buddies at the half time demo said he had heard it before so he wasn't surprised. Hmmm the last time he heard the system I had eD mains and dual Submersives, nothing even close to what I have now. It all seems the same to guys that don't give a s*it so I think I'm done with demo's for non avs people.

I have had completely the opposite reactions from non av buddies. Their jaws literally drop especially when I turn the os on.
post #3561 of 4375
I'm definitely the only crazy one out of all my friends as none of them are into the madness but they all appreciate the final result. I hosted UFC last night and after played a clip from Pacific Rim. After the comments about the sound it seemed everyone wanted to watch the whole movie. A complete A/V experience will always reel me in to a movie more than if certain elements are missing. My non AVS friends seem to be on the same page.
post #3562 of 4375
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Exactly. Recently I had a bunch of my friends over to watch football and at halftime I did a demo for them including scenes from a lot of the 5 star bass movies. When it was done the vibe in the room was, "this guy is crazy" instead of the usual reaction of laughter and people loving it when my avs friends come over. One of my buddies at the half time demo said he had heard it before so he wasn't surprised. Hmmm the last time he heard the system I had eD mains and dual Submersives, nothing even close to what I have now. It all seems the same to guys that don't give a s*it so I think I'm done with demo's for non avs people.

People who get their music through earbuds and their movie sound through TV speakers or HTIB's will never "get it". I have had really good response from AV neophytes but I tend to keep it well below reference levels. That I reserve for AV crazies like anyone reading this ... tongue.gifwink.gif
post #3563 of 4375
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

People who get their music through earbuds and their movie sound through TV speakers or HTIB's will never "get it".

No doubt!
post #3564 of 4375
Can someone explain to me what or how the dip switchea work on the fp10000?
post #3565 of 4375
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Can someone explain to me what or how the dip switchea work on the fp10000?
do take a picture of the default, factory settings before you start messing with them.
easier to remember and revert back if there's something amiss.
post #3566 of 4375
CG,

Does the back of your amp look like this?

post #3567 of 4375
Slightly different... here's how it looks like:

post #3568 of 4375
Thread Starter 
... They're all labeled well, where is the confusion?
post #3569 of 4375
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Originally Posted by notnyt View Post

... They're all labeled well, where is the confusion?

No confusion.. I just don't understand the labels...

Can you tell me how it all works?
post #3570 of 4375
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

No confusion.. I just don't understand the labels...

Can you tell me how it all works?

RTFM... seriously..

Anyway, left 3 are gain, this is how much amplification is provided to the incoming signal. If you don't know how to setup a signal chain properly, there are many threads documenting it.

next two are bridging, if you're not bridging channels, these stay off.

The rest are the voltage clip limiters, there are four sets of four. This is the voltage level when the amp will begin cutting power, a protection circuit.

The first 3 of each set control the voltage level, the last the clipping type. If you're using it for subs, you want hard clip, if you're using it for HF, you want soft clip. This is all in the manual and has been discussed to death frown.gif
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