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post #241 of 482
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Originally Posted by MarcSparks View Post

This last episode's "reveal" was that Ray is really Tommy's brother. Could be the least confusing, uncomplicated plot point on the show.

This last episode's reveal was that Rebecca's grandfather's brother is actually her uncle, which would make him her father's brother.

Do you even watch the show?
post #242 of 482
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

This last episode's reveal was that Rebecca's grandfather's brother is actually her uncle, which would make him her father's brother.

Do you even watch the show?

Here we go with the "I'm my own Grandpa" scenario again.
post #243 of 482
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Originally Posted by I WANT MORE View Post

Here we go with the "I'm my own Grandpa" scenario again.

What? You've lost me there. There are no time-travel paradoxes at play here. What is possible is Ray is actually Becca's grandfather. What's probable is that Tommy is not Becca's grandfather.
post #244 of 482
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

The confusion resulted from the writers not knowing the difference between uncle and great-uncle. And before you say it doesn't make a difference, it kinda does.

As far as the viewers know, Rebecca didn't think Ray was actually related to her until this episode when she found out he was Tommy's brother. She had been calling him her uncle simply as a term of endearment because he become her guardian and raised her after her parents died. He had become like family to her so she referred to him affectionately as her uncle. It was never meant to be a literal, formal use of the term. Even if further revelations shed different light on the actual relationships, it won't change that.


ron
post #245 of 482
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

As far as the viewers know, Rebecca didn't think Ray was actually related to her until this episode when she found out he was Tommy's brother. She had been calling him her uncle simply as a term of endearment because he become her guardian and raised her after her parents died. He had become like family to her so she referred to him affectionately as her uncle. It was never meant to be a literal, formal use of the term. Even if further revelations shed different light on the actual relationships, it won't change that.


ron

Of course...I'm finding it amusing that so many are obsessing about the family tree.

Fact: Tommy is or isn't Becca's grandfather, but he is related. He's special. He gave alot of blood. He may or may not be a murderer, but he is loose and may have been the first prisoner sent back...he's at least loose. He killed Becca's partner. He's been in contact with Ray.

Fact: Ray is Tommy's brother and is also related to Becca. He's somewhat in the know regarding Houser's operations and is very protective of Becca. Whatever he's finally revealed to be, "Uncle", Granduncle (he can't be a great uncle) or Grandad, he's Becca's surrogate father.

That's all we need to know about the family tree unless they change things up again.
post #246 of 482
"Great uncle" and "grand uncle" are the same thing.

One more time. I understand the affectionate use of "uncle" on Becca's part. But when she discovered that Tommy and Ray were, in fact, brothers, her words to Soto were, "Ray is actually my uncle." When the storyline revolves as much as this one around who's who and who's related to whom, words matter. I took them as offered and as they are (normally) defined. And it confused me since that reveal would make Tommy her (potential) father, not grandfather as it had been put forth.

That's all.
post #247 of 482
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

"Great uncle" and "grand uncle" are the same thing.

One more time. I understand the affectionate use of "uncle" on Becca's part. But when she discovered that Tommy and Ray were, in fact, brothers, her words to Soto were, "Ray is actually my uncle." When the storyline revolves as much as this one around who's who and who's related to whom, words matter. I took them as offered and as they are (normally) defined. And it confused me since that reveal would make Tommy her (potential) father, not grandfather as it had been put forth.

That's all.

That's what threw me off originally as well, in my original post I had them as "father" and "uncle", not grandfather and greatuncle. I also agree that the familial relationships in this story do have more than just a passing significance, especially when it was revealed that Ray was the first of the family to try and be recruited for the job. I'm guessing that there's something special about this family that makes them important to the overall plotline.
post #248 of 482
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How might seismic activity figure in to "jumping"?

ron

I seem to remember reading or maybe it was some sci-fi movie where there is some kind of radiation released during an earthquake. Could be how the 63s got transported to the future.
post #249 of 482
There are lots of possible seismic-reacting time-travel technobabble reasons. The machine "they" use could generate a powerful collapsing EM bubble, directed universe-wrapping energy beam hitting the ground, popping new matter into existence could create a minor shockwave, the rocket sled crashing into the ground ...

one for Van Damme fans there.
post #250 of 482
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

"Great uncle" and "grand uncle" are the same thing.

One more time. I understand the affectionate use of "uncle" on Becca's part. But when she discovered that Tommy and Ray were, in fact, brothers, her words to Soto were, "Ray is actually my uncle." When the storyline revolves as much as this one around who's who and who's related to whom, words matter. I took them as offered and as they are (normally) defined. And it confused me since that reveal would make Tommy her (potential) father, not grandfather as it had been put forth.

That's all.

No question the various family ties are significant in the story. But it seemed they had already established pretty well the geneology as they wanted the viewer to understand it by that point. And it seemed pretty natural to me for her to say it that way since she had been calling him her Uncle for a long time already.

Becca: He really is my Uncle!

Soto: Uh, you mean Great Uncle..

Becca: Oh, you know what I meant Lumpy


ron
post #251 of 482
See? A little re-write. Was that so hard??

Or, maybe ala "Chinatown":

Becca: Ray's my uncle --
(slap)
Becca: ... my great-uncle --
(slap)
Becca: ... my uncle --
(slap)
Becca: ... he's my uncle AND my great-uncle, dammit ...
(sobs)
post #252 of 482
^^
lol

good one!
post #253 of 482
... unless he's actually Rebecca's father ...
post #254 of 482
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

... unless he's actually Rebecca's father ...

Que up the Deliverance movie's banjo music!
post #255 of 482
Fleshing out Hauser's back story and the shrink was fairly interesting, but as usual the present was the weak point. Just when you think the show is on the right path it does the predictable and stupid.

Did they really need to go to an expert to identify a silver star? Really? It was a star shape and they couldn't identify it based on that or at least come up with a good guess? Soto has an iPad, he could have just gone to wikipedia to match a photo.

And am I correct in thinking that the convict this week was using M15 anti-tank mines? Wouldn't they create far more damage in a single area and the detonator be less sensitive to humans?

The worst part for me this episode was as soon as the bomb squad guy said "hello" I knew he was going to be dead by the end of the hour. Instead of an insignia saying "bomb squad" it should have read "I'm a character you haven't seen before. I have a friendship with the main character. I'm going to be in the firing line with the latest psycho. I'm dead."

I guess, that must have been too long.

At least Hauser shot the latest plot device of the week for the hell of it. Pity he didn't do that before stepping on a land mine. Adding more techniques from the Jack Bauer handbook would make the present day events a lot more interesting.
post #256 of 482
Okay....I was about ready to call it quits....until tonight's episode surprised me with enough *revelations* to keep me in the game. I really enjoyed this one!

I just have to add that the PQ was also VERY GOOD from beginning to end. I've been complaining about weak blacks levels...tonight they were inky deep with excellent shadow details to boot. The colors, contrast, flesh tones, and details were also very impressive. I have no idea why the PQ was so much better, but I'm one happy camper now!
post #257 of 482
Moral of the story: Don't hold up the detonator and brag how you just defused the bomb.
post #258 of 482
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

Moral of the story: Don't hold up the detonator and brag how you just defused the bomb.


It was rather predictable wasn't it? Typical writing to let you know that character is about to die. I swear a 9 year old writes on this show. The villian this week is supposed to be an expert on explosive devices specifically land mines and was living in "1963", and is now suddenly smarter than someone trained on current explosives devices in 2011-12? I guess all of the knowledge gained in Bosnia and other related countries with land mines doesn't factor in current protocol and training for a bomb squad? The fact that the Bomb squad crewman would not think of a secondary device and disarm it alone is just plain crazy.I know it has to appear dramatic somehow! It's standard training now for all Fire and Police personnel to look for secondary devices before approaching the target area.
post #259 of 482
All I know of bomb disarmament comes from a Robert Crais novel I read years ago whose name escapes me...but I know they don't act like the "bomb expert" in this show VisionOn called it just right in his excellent review of this episode. For everything they do right they do 2 or 3 things wrong.
So we have an island, time travel, and apparently reviving the soon to be dead? Where have we seen this before? Until proven otherwise I'm sticking to my original opinion: Lost, dumbed down..
post #260 of 482
LOL. I swear some of you people should seriously just consider limiting yourselves to watching documentaries...


ron
post #261 of 482
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

LOL. I swear some of you people should seriously just consider limiting yourselves to watching documentaries...


ron

I would agree with you EXCEPT, that the bomb squad guy clearly should have been shown wearing a red shirt. As VisionOn pointed out, he was dead, and I knew he was dead from the moment he appeared on screen. That bit was cliche. What they SHOULD have done was have him drop it in a container, have it go off, and then he should have said, I KNEW it would do that! But no, they played down to my expectations.

Aside from that, I thought it was a very good episode. He didn't seem constrained to accomplish any alternative mission though, just to pick up bombing where he had left off.
post #262 of 482
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

I would agree with you EXCEPT, that the bomb squad guy clearly should have been shown wearing a red shirt. As VisionOn pointed out, he was dead, and I knew he was dead from the moment he appeared on screen. That bit was cliche. What they SHOULD have done was have him drop it in a container, have it go off, and then he should have said, I KNEW it would do that! But no, they played down to my expectations.

The least they could have done was to make him grumpy or arrogant but they had to make him pleasant and cheerful to make his death seem like a greater loss than it was. If it hadn't been so transparent to begin with it might have had an actual impact.

At least when they shot the shrink she had been in a few episodes to build up to the shock factor. That worked very well.
post #263 of 482
If there's any thought of preposterous how about the odds of Hauser's approach on the beach have him landing on the land mine.
post #264 of 482
Why didn't he have the convict stand next to him while he disarmed the mine?
post #265 of 482
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Originally Posted by Garrett Adams View Post

If there's any thought of preposterous how about the odds of Hauser's approach on the beach have him landing on the land mine.

What was funnier is that the area he stood on was completely undisturbed!
post #266 of 482
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

I would agree with you EXCEPT, that the bomb squad guy clearly should have been shown wearing a red shirt. As VisionOn pointed out, he was dead, and I knew he was dead from the moment he appeared on screen. That bit was cliche. What they SHOULD have done was have him drop it in a container, have it go off, and then he should have said, I KNEW it would do that! But no, they played down to my expectations.

Aside from that, I thought it was a very good episode. He didn't seem constrained to accomplish any alternative mission though, just to pick up bombing where he had left off.

VisionOn made my ignore list during the last season of LOST. When you notice that the large majority of a person's posts in every thread just seem to be complaining about this or that, you get to the point where you realize there's no real use in having to constantly weed through all the negativity. TV watching and following shows should be fun . As far as the redshirts go I can only say no big deal. Was it pretty likely the dude was destined to come to a bad end? Yes it was, but the red shirts never bothered me in Star Trek and it doesn't bother me here either. At least this guy actually got some lines, showed some personality and had a little interaction before he bit the dust . Ultimately it makes no difference to the story though... Luckily for me I'm just not that particular about that kind of thing or all the nit picky, inconsequential stuff that seems to bother some people...


ron
post #267 of 482
Thought it was interesting from the perspective of peeling back the onion on Dr Gupta...and her relationship with Hauser. Add to it the fact that we're learning more about Rebecca's Grandfather...and I was ok with it.

What I THOUGHT WAS DOPEY--and cheesy was the fact that Hauser had enough time to run off the mine, go behind the sandbagged wall and have a 4 course meal while the bomb expert (who, as others said, was created to die....) played with the wires, plunger and had a Chai Latte before he went Spinal Tap. I also felt the same way when Rebecca had the land mine rolled at her in the beginning...and didn't shoot Petty as the mine slowly rolled to her. Cheesy....

Thumbs down for that part...thumbs up for the additional info I felt was presented in the episode.

Another shooting to a 63's limb as well....the blood taking of Rebecca's grandfather brought up again
post #268 of 482
Ratings down 17% to a series low this week.

Alcatraz 1.9/18-49 4/HH 6.24 million viewers

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...ted-up/119824/

What are the odds it will finish out it's half season?
post #269 of 482
Fox has nothing else in the can, they will let it run it's course.
post #270 of 482
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

Moral of the story: Don't hold up the detonator and brag how you just defused the bomb.

Heck with that...

Don't they usually have a little robot or a big container they roll up with on a trailer for these things?

I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually diffuse a bomb. They always just clear the area, isolate it with something protective and blow it up.

If all else fails, though it might not be environmentally conscious and all that, just dig around the thing to expose it, have Howser step off, then grab it and toss it in the lake.

At the very least, if you're going to do the whole "defusing" thing, at least put some sand bags around it (except where Howser needed space to get is leg out of there). If nothing else, it might prevent other potential surround mines you might have missed from being set off should you fail to disarm it.

These must also be the "watch your back" series of mines. They take so long to go off, you're well down the road out of range of it when it does.

"Sir, a mine just went off back there. What are your orders?"
"We move...forward...and feel fortunate the way is clear in case we need to retreat."
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