The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 348

1. In addition to what JD mentioned, try connect to a different HDMI input on your receiver or/and a different HDMI cable.

continuing along with my problem of the GUI no longer displaying until the system is unplugged and plugged back in... I tried the suggested work around of re-selecting the source and also tried it through Quick select button. No luck. When my GUI stops displaying it seems to be for good until I reset the system via unplug.

I'm sure it has something to do with using the web interface. Is there actual Denon support that I could report this to for possible fix in a future firmware upgrade? Any other suggestions are welcome.

someone has gotta keep you busy...

Got it. That makes perfect sense. Thanks.

I am getting occasional digital pops from my 2312 has anyone else noticed this.
Happens with Media player and DTV sources.
It will give a quick low level pop/glitch a couple of times from one of the speakers (not always the same speaker), not a huge issue but I
still have a few days to exchange if it is faulty unit.

I just got the 2112 and hooked up the L, R and C speakers. Don't have a sub yet and haven't hooked up the surround.

Is it possible to do the Audessy setup for just this configuration?

The Quick Setup wizard only offers 5.1 or 7.1 or Other. Should I still connect the mike and run the auto calibration?

I exited out of the setup program and turned up the volume and there's no output in the C speaker.

OK, the setup wants to measure the output from the surrounds so I canceled it. And the center channel had no output because the DVR was set to output only stereo, not DD.

Now, next question is, I didn't see the D* DVR in the remote setup (no Direct TV under "D") so I can't turn off the DVR.

But if I turned off the DVR, which cuts the HDMI signal, will the 2112 just go into standby mode after awhile or do I need to put it in Standby manually?

Yes. Please refer to post #3 (linked in my sig), item 1(b) - Auto Setup.


The remote defaults to DirecTV from the factory for the SAT/CBL source. Refer to p. 106 in your Owner's manual.

Yup, normally I use Airplay, or an optical cable I have from my computer to the 2312, which is a holdover from my 2310 days. I also have a dock, which is another holdover.

I was just playing around and never used the front USB connector before.

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Yea it's there. You gotta see how it works.

If you only have a few days to return there is not really enough time to test with a micro reset to see if it reoccurs I would take it back.

What is a micro reset ??

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Microprocessor reset ... see p. 144 in your Owner's manual or post #5 in this thread.

Posted once, never appeared after multiple refreshes. Hope this doesn't double-post.

Another newbie, sorry - hopefully the others have softened y'all up.

I bought a 3312ci a couple of weeks ago, thanks in large part to the amazing help of Batpig/jdsmoothie on this forum. I can't say I've read all of this thread, but have waded through most of it and have everything working as I'd like.

My question relates to music sound recommendations, since I've got the video/HT working fine. My 3312 is hooked up to a Polk Blackstone TL1600 system in my TV area - I've gotta say, amazing speakers for the size, Audyssey is incredible, no complaints there. However, that's not my main listening area - I've got a pair of circa1990 CW D-7's in the dining room in Zone 2 (waiting for a foam kit and a new tweeter). For Zone 3 (bedroom), I've got an Audiosource 200W amp driving an old Bose satellite/subwoofer system (never been all that impressed with them, but they do the job for now and they were a gift 25-ish years ago and sound ok). Both zones are wired with 16-gauge wire, about 50-70 feet of wire in each case.

Audyssey worked great in the HT (main zone), but it doesn't do anything for Zones 2 and 3, as far as I can tell. Since my main music area is in other zones, I'm trying to figure out how to maximize the music quality there, and one option is to get new speakers for Zone 2 and move the CW's to Zone 3.

My other receiver is a Pioneer VSX-9700S, c. 1990, 125 watts/channel I believe - it's been a great workhorse with outstanding sound and video capabilities but Dolby Digital and HDMI finally convinced me to upgrade. I don't want to use it for any of the zones, though, because I'm addicted now to running a 12,000-song iTunes collection via iTunes remote and Airplay to any of the zones I want and control it off my iPad or Android.

So my questions end up being:

1) Am I correct that Audyssey does nothing for anything other than the main zone?
2) Are there any sound adjustments available for Zones 2/3 other than basic bass/treble? I've never found any.
3) Is it feasible to run a pair of something like Polk LSi25's in Zone 2 off of a 3312? They're 4 ohm floor speakers with powered subwoofers. Currently they'd be on 60-ish feet of 16-gauge wire. Even with a wire upgrade, will the 3312 drive them?

My goal is excellent sound, but I wouldn't consider myself an audiophile that would find that bi-amping or playing lossless music files makes any difference I can hear. In that respect, if the 3312 can get the LSi25's (or similar) loud with no clipping, but not brain-damage LOUD, and produce clear music, that'd be good enough for me for now.

Thanks for any tips -

- Clay

Looking to pick up a 2112CI.

Replacing my aging HK AVR154.

Anyone know of a good place to get one in Canada. I've seen that there can be good prices had from a couple places in the States (EE and J&R) but neither will ship to Canada.

Anyone from the north have any tips? Can be by PM since I know pricetalk is frowned upon.

1. Correct.
2. Nope.
3. Yes, at average volume only though (ie. <-20db).

Also note that you can use Airplay in the 3312CI to pass audio to the other zones as well (an AppleTV would allow it to pass independently to any zone overcoming the AVR's restriction to play Airplay audio in all zones at the same time) which would free up the Pioneer to power the LSi25's. You may also want to consider adding a Denon 1712 (or older MultEQ AVR) in each of the other Zones if you want the benefit of Audyssey in those zones.

I did a quick search and Best Buy has them on sale $120 below list. That was the best deal out there that I found. Local is always better where you can swap out if you have any issues with no shipping and if you buy anything else you usually get a little better deal.

BB's where I got mine July last year, although it was $200 off list at the time.

I am trying to understand if I can connect a second TV to my AVR-3312CI, and have it have access to all the AV sources that are connected for my primary TV. I was told that I would not have sound on the second TV or that I would have to watch the same source on both TVs. I am trying to see if I can use the second HDMI out for a different source than the primary HDMI for video. I don't know if that means an HDMI pass through or what. Any help would be appreciated. All the components are being managed through a C4 system. Any help would be appreciated.

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An AVR can only play the same source to each HDMI output. If you want separate sources to different outputs, you'll need to use an HDMI switch similar to the one below to route the 2nd source signal before it gets to the AVR.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

denon 1712 and bic f-12 sub here.

i understand if i want more bass from the sub i should raise the level on the receiver and leave the gain on the sub alone so audyssey isnt affected. my f-12 sub gain is slightly below 1 (thats extremely low), audyssey set sub level to -2.5
i wanted more bass so i raised the level on the receiver to 0, left the gain on the sub alone. im satisfied


but this is where my confusion lies. the amplifier is inside the sub. the receiver can control the amp in the sub? is the receiver doing exactly that when i raise the sub level? or is there a subwoofer amp inside the receiver? i read a lot and i see tons of people raising the level on both the receiver and the gain on the sub. im novice just trying to understand how things work.

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keeping it simple...

when you adjust the trim in the avr, you are adjusting the voltage of the line level signal being sent to the amp in the sub... in effect making the signal "louder" or "softer"...

when you adjust the gain on the sub amp, you are adjusting the, well, gain... i.e. how much should it amplify the signal it is receiving...

two different things... so no, the avr isn't controlling the gain on the sub amp...

Sony KDL 52V-5100 still will not work with my Denon 2312 receiver properly. The new Monoprice cables actually fared worse than the Bluerigger HDMI cables. HDMI negotiations are now more frequent with the PS3. Sony blames Denon, Denon Blames Sony, neither with a single hitch of proof to support their claim. Denon support just ignores my support ticket.

Rant over - I've decided to try one more thing. A HDMI switch between the TV and Denon. Lets see how it goes...

Understood. So i am just curious as of what is the point of buying a powerful sub with 400W RMS or more where the sub gain is very slightly used? If I remember correctly, you have two Submersive subs, what are the sub gains set on them? 5-10% of their max? Thanks.

I know this is a Denon thread but would many of you recommend the 1612 over the Onkyo's 509 & 609 in terms of overall sound quality?

I plan on purchasing the Energy Take Classic 5.0 set along with the Bic F-12 subwoofer.

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Yup ... neither the 509 nor the 609 can EQ the subwoofer as they both use only the most basic version of Audyssey 2EQ.

You can't get a new TV? Sounds to me like it's a HDMI issue with the tv more then a Denon or PS3.

The power rating applies to the output side of the amplifier. It doesn't matter whether the sub's amp is taking a 4W signal and amplifying it 100x, or getting a 40W signal and amplifying it 10x; either way, the output power is still 400W. (example numbers made up for simplicity)

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this...

tvuong, the key point here to remember is that a "gain control" isn't a "volume control" (although it appears that way on the surface)... as noted in my first post, and further clarified by dcheesi, gain is "how much should the amplifier 'amplify' (multiply) the input signal"... whereas a "volume control" is "how much should the signal be attenuated (lowered from maximum)"...

so to restate...

"gain control" = how much should the amplifier multiply the input signal...
"volume control" = changes the level of the input signal...

keeping it simple again, what you are really doing when you are adjusting the gain on your sub amplifier is making it roughly match the gain of the speaker amplifiers so that the spl produced by both is the "same" when fed the same input signal...

hth, post back if it isn't clear...

and yup, i have a pair of subm hp's... necessary? no, i would have had to really work to clip the "regular" ones... but they made my manhood grow an inch or two...

Are you using a Hdmi wall jack? How long is your cable to the Tv. Did you change the cable to the Tv? Have you tried different ports on the avr and tv? Maybe try a different resolution. If you have a different Tv or a computer/laptop to test to rule out your Panel. You could try a Hdmi reset.