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post #10711 of 17928
4/6/12 at 12:20pm
Audyssey setup competed and was curious if sub channel is (-11.5) am I still good I have my system setup in small living room. There's plenty of base and Dynamic Eq (evening) is used.
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post #10712 of 17928
4/6/12 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by airborn007 View Post

Audyssey setup competed and was curious if sub channel is (-11.5) am I still good I have my system setup in small living room. There's plenty of base and Dynamic Eq (evening) is used.

It's calibrated but most like it to be under 10 so you have some wiggle room to have the ability to turn down the base a few db if desired. I would turn down the sub base a couple of notches and rerun Audyssey.
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post #10713 of 17928
4/6/12 at 1:57pm
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Audyssey setup competed and was curious if sub channel is (-11.5) am I still good I have my system setup in small living room. There's plenty of base and Dynamic Eq (evening) is used.


I've read that it's ok to adjust volume levels of individual channels if you want to after running audyssey but you just don't want to make any tonal adjustments or eqaulizer adjustments to anything. I also read you should try to get your audyssey level on the bass above -10 if you can. All you would need to do is decrease the gain on the sub and rerun audyssey and repeat until you get a number above -10. I turned my gain down to 25% and still got a -12 on mine. I just haven't gotten around to messing with it yet.

I like my LFE to be really loud anyway. I turned the gain back up to 50% and the level to -3 when watching movies anyway so it's not a big deal in my setup.
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post #10714 of 17928
4/6/12 at 2:01pm
May be an odd question.. But..

How does Onkyo NR-809 compare to either 1712 or 2112ci.
With new Onkyo's announced, NR-809 is popping up with clearance deals.. The feature set is tempting..
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post #10715 of 17928
4/6/12 at 2:41pm
Have a PS3 slim and a new 1912, old receiver was a Onkyo 607. I can't seem to get "True HD" sound. Have all HDMI 1.4 cables. I am using Dark night as a test movie. Have flipped and flopped the setting so many times I am not sure were to start again, And yes it worked on the 607. Has anybody had a similar issue. Any help would be great. Thanks.. Maybe a clear head.
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post #10716 of 17928
4/6/12 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by budda109 View Post

Have a PS3 slim and a new 1912, old receiver was a Onkyo 607. I can't seem to get "True HD" sound. Have all HDMI 1.4 cables. I am using Dark night as a test movie. Have flipped and flopped the setting so many times I am not sure were to start again, And yes it worked on the 607. Has anybody had a similar issue. Any help would be great. Thanks.. Maybe a clear head.

Try setting your ps3 to bitstream the codecs will show up on the avr. If you use pcm the ps3 will do the decoding and the avr will show Multi Ch Stereo on your avr. Both ways are the correct codecs being used and the same sound quality. Most prefer to use bitstream so they can see the codecs on the avr.
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post #10717 of 17928
4/6/12 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

May be an odd question.. But..

How does Onkyo NR-809 compare to either 1712 or 2112ci.
With new Onkyo's announced, NR-809 is popping up with clearance deals.. The feature set is tempting..

The 809 is on the same level as the 3312 which is discounted by many online resellers as well. Go to pg. 1 of this forum and check out the difference in features on the 12 series Denons,

They both use the advanced Audyssey so the SQ will be on par with each other. Choose the one that has the features you are looking for.
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post #10718 of 17928
4/6/12 at 4:13pm
Guys, I just bought a Squeezebox Touch that I've been using with my Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I listen to a ton of internet radio (some subscription-based) and other internet-based sources of music. I like that the Touch can stream literally anything that I can send to it, and with the iPeng app to control it, I can send it random streams and MP3 links to podcasts from my iPhone (mostly from Soundcloud.com and blog sources) and it will play them instantly with no issues.

Have any of you been able to stream clips from Soundcloud.com on any of the Denon network-enabled receivers discussed here? I'm considering taking the Touch back and exchanging it for a Denon AVR-1912 or AVR-2112ci to get AirPlay (which the touch does not support), a cooler-running receiver with slightly better sound (the Onkyo gets very hot and I run it all the time when I'm home), as well as the ability to turn on/off and control the receiver from anywhere in the house with that Denon iPhone app.

The Squeezebox costs just under $300, and the 1912 and 2112ci are $400 and up online. What are your thoughts? Is the better sound, plus AirPlay support and full control of the receiver worth the extra money I'd spend to get one of the Denons?
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post #10719 of 17928
4/6/12 at 4:31pm
What can I do with the pre-out connection on my 3312? What is the most typical use for the the pre-out?

I have 5.1 set up with front/heights, therefore I have all channels being used. Can I connect "something" to create 2 or 4 more channels? I would like bi-amp my front L/R but do not have the connections left. I apologize in advance for the dumb question!!
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post #10720 of 17928
4/6/12 at 4:33pm
Any thoughts on why my subwoofer works on some modes with my 1612, but not others?

For example, my Wii and iPod modes inputs utilize the sub fine, but the cable box and blu-ray player do not and the sub doesn't even come on. I've reset the unit twice and each time it's been the same result.
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post #10721 of 17928
4/6/12 at 4:51pm
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As long as you have ALL speakers set to SMALL with minimum of 80hz crossovers, and are not use DIRECT or PURE DIRECT modes, the sub should play every time. What does the front panel display read when the sub is not playing? Is the sub set to ON or AUTO? What volume did the sub get set to after running AUTO SETUP?
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post #10722 of 17928
4/6/12 at 4:56pm
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What can I do with the pre-out connection on my 3312? What is the most typical use for the the pre-out?

I have 5.1 set up with front/heights, therefore I have all channels being used. Can I connect "something" to create 2 or 4 more channels? I would like bi-amp my front L/R but do not have the connections left. I apologize in advance for the dumb question!!

Which preouts? There are preouts for the main zone, Zone 2, and Zone 3. The main zone preouts are used when you want to use an external amp to provide more power to some or all of the main zone speakers than the Denon is capable of supplying (eg. most often with 4Ω speakers), while the Zone 2 and Zone 3 preouts are used when you want to send audio to 1 or 2 other "rooms" or zones (eg. back patio, bedroom, kitchen, etc.) when you have a full 7.1 setup in the main zone.
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post #10723 of 17928
4/6/12 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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As long as you have ALL speakers set to SMALL with minimum of 80hz crossovers, and are not use DIRECT or PURE DIRECT modes, the sub should play every time. What does the front panel display read when the sub is not playing? Is the sub set to ON or AUTO? What volume did the sub get set to after running AUTO SETUP?

Well, this is the second 1612 I've used and this one seems to have a newer interface/OS installed. The first time I set the newer one up I did the audesssey setup right out of the gate and it did detect the sub, it just didn't work on certain inputs. So I reset the processor and skipped audessey the second time and I got the exact same result.

Sub is set to ON and works great on a few modes. But switch over to the rest and I get nothing so I'm sure it's just a setting somewhere. But seeing as I reset it and it was still happening I'm a little confused.
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post #10724 of 17928
4/6/12 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

May be an odd question.. But..

How does Onkyo NR-809 compare to either 1712 or 2112ci.
With new Onkyo's announced, NR-809 is popping up with clearance deals.. The feature set is tempting..

For $499 at Frys today, i buy this in a heart beat if i need a receiver. Like Spager mentioned, it is comparable to the 3312.
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post #10725 of 17928
4/6/12 at 5:01pm
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

May be an odd question.. But..

How does Onkyo NR-809 compare to either 1712 or 2112ci.
With new Onkyo's announced, NR-809 is popping up with clearance deals.. The feature set is tempting..

As noted, the 809 is a higher level model than the Denon models; however, they all three use the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT.
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post #10726 of 17928
4/6/12 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by budda109 View Post

Have a PS3 slim and a new 1912, old receiver was a Onkyo 607. I can't seem to get "True HD" sound. Have all HDMI 1.4 cables. I am using Dark night as a test movie. Have flipped and flopped the setting so many times I am not sure were to start again, And yes it worked on the 607. Has anybody had a similar issue. Any help would be great. Thanks.. Maybe a clear head.

Make sure to select the Dolby TrueHD audio track on the BD.
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post #10727 of 17928
4/6/12 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

For $499 at Frys today, i buy this in a heart beat if i need a receiver. Like Spager mentioned, it is comparable to the 3312.

I know. I would have jumped at Fry's deal. But I can not drive 1000+ miles...
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post #10728 of 17928
4/6/12 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by deecee20 View Post

Guys, I just bought a Squeezebox Touch that I've been using with my Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver. I listen to a ton of internet radio (some subscription-based) and other internet-based sources of music. I like that the Touch can stream literally anything that I can send to it, and with the iPeng app to control it, I can send it random streams and MP3 links to podcasts from my iPhone (mostly from Soundcloud.com and blog sources) and it will play them instantly with no issues.

Have any of you been able to stream clips from Soundcloud.com on any of the Denon network-enabled receivers discussed here? I'm considering taking the Touch back and exchanging it for a Denon AVR-1912 or AVR-2112ci to get AirPlay (which the touch does not support), a cooler-running receiver with slightly better sound (the Onkyo gets very hot and I run it all the time when I'm home), as well as the ability to turn on/off and control the receiver from anywhere in the house with that Denon iPhone app.

The Squeezebox costs just under $300, and the 1912 and 2112ci are $400 and up online. What are your thoughts? Is the better sound, plus AirPlay support and full control of the receiver worth the extra money I'd spend to get one of the Denons?

I have not used Squeeze touch or Soundcloud but if Airplay is the primary reason for a new purchase you could just buy an Apple TV2 which will play nice with your iPhone.
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post #10729 of 17928
4/6/12 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The issue is likely a result of the router. Try resetting it. If still no joy, a network reset (see post #5) would be your next course of action.

Thanks yet again, jdsmoothie. Rebooting the router did in fact fix the problem. Is this a common and/or recurring problem with Denons or network AVRs in general? Seems odd that it would connect without issue initially and then require a router reset the next time, but hopefully it's a one-time deal.

Cheers!
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post #10730 of 17928
4/6/12 at 11:49pm
Thanks,, once I set it to HD on the Blueray menu it works. Had to put all settings back to original of course,, but it sweet! Thanks to both of you.
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post #10731 of 17928
4/7/12 at 1:06am
well i finally pulled the plug on a 2112ci and am very happy so far i am still setting up (tweaking and poking at it). done really well so far. Got it updated, audyssey mic done set up for 5.1 untill i get real speakers for my 7.1 setup but that a other thread.

but i have one question i need help setting up Registering preset codes for my cable box. i have xfinity (comcast) its a cisco (rng150n). i have tried and tried and i can seem to get to change channels.


well any help will be appreciated thanks and thanks to everyone for helping me picking. the 2112ci

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post #10732 of 17928
4/7/12 at 4:26am
Maybe someone has a suggestion. I got the 1312 to use with the Panasonic plasma I bought about six months ago. My problem is that a lot of times, especially watching movies, that its hard to hear conversation. My room is only 10X16. I have a decent advent center speaker, 2 front, 2 rear speakers and the sub. Its my understanding that most of the dialog comes from the center speaker. I watch a lot of movies from a media player. Almost all the time I have to turn the Volume up to 80 to hear people talk. When it switches to action scenes is then way to loud. I have my center channel turned up all the way, (in setup) and my other speakers down about 2/3 of that. I told the salesman at Bestbuy that I wanted a basic receiver with no frills. I just want to be able to hear what is going on. He suggested the 1312. On HD channels its not bad. Anyone else run into this problem and /or have any tips? Thank you for your time!
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post #10733 of 17928
4/7/12 at 4:48am
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The minimum level Denon model you should have considered is the 1612 which uses Audyssey which would have properly EQ'd your speakers. If you can return or otherwise repurpose the 1312, do so. Otherwise, if you have the center channel "CH Level" turned up to +12db and you're still having issues with the other speakers either having a negative trim (eg. -3db) or at least nothing higher than 0db, try to maximize the center speaker positioning (ie. if inside a cabinet, pull it out to the edge and angle it up towards the ear height of the main listening position). You may also want to consider using the "Multi CH Stereo" mode which will bring the dialog back to the "side" surround speakers (ie. closer to your ears) as well as the front main speakers.
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post #10734 of 17928
4/7/12 at 4:55am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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The minimum level Denon model you want to consider is the 1612 which uses Audyssey. If you can return or otherwise repurpose the 1312, do so. Otherwise, if you have the center channel turned up to +12db and you're still having issues with the other speakers either having a negative trim (eg. -3db) or at least nothing higher than 0db, try to maximize the center speaker positioning (ie. if inside a cabinet, pull it out to the edge and angle it up towards the ear height of the main listening position).

Hey JD, I have the rest of my speakers set at about +6dbd. Should I set them to 0dbd? Also my center speaker is a foot off the ground. Will try to angle up like you suggest! Thanks!
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post #10735 of 17928
4/7/12 at 4:58am
Is it possible to listen to internet radio stations that aren't listed on the receiver? I have a couple of Iheartradio stations that I'd like to listen to and don't know how. Or is it possible to go right to their stream from the individual stations? This is on a AVR 3312.
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post #10736 of 17928
4/7/12 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by bogart219 View Post

Hey JD, I have the rest of my speakers set at about +6dbd. Should I set them to 0dbd? Also my center speaker is a foot off the ground. Will try to angle up like you suggest! Thanks!

The 1312 doesn't come with an Audyssey mic, so you'll want to pick up an SPL meter (eg. Radio Shack) to ensure that all speakers are calibrated properly to the 75db test tone (you can also use a smart phone app for this as well). Also ensure the distances to each speaker from the main listening position are properly entered into the setup menu. If your speakers are rated at least 85db sensitivity/efficiency, they should likely have no higher than a 0db setting.
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post #10737 of 17928
4/7/12 at 5:31am
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Is it possible to listen to internet radio stations that aren't listed on the receiver? I have a couple of Iheartradio stations that I'd like to listen to and don't know how. Or is it possible to go right to their stream from the individual stations? This is on a AVR 3312.

AFAIK, you're limited to the stations accessible by the vTuner application.

http://vtuner.com/setupapp/guide/asp.../startpage.asp

You can use 3rd party devices to access other stations (smart phone, game box, laptop, smart TV, etc.).
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post #10738 of 17928
4/7/12 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Exfowlr View Post

Is it possible to listen to internet radio stations that aren't listed on the receiver? I have a couple of Iheartradio stations that I'd like to listen to and don't know how. Or is it possible to go right to their stream from the individual stations? This is on a AVR 3312.

I listen primarily to internet radio stations on my AVR-3311. For stations not available through the vTuner service offered on the Denon, I use Rogue Amoeba's Airfoil. It's available in versions for Windows or Mac for $25 at the Rogue Amoeba website.
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post #10739 of 17928
4/7/12 at 7:34am
Thx, Spager and ovrrdirve....I lowered volume gain on sub and now it makes sense. I'm getting closer to the -3/+3 recommended after some more researching. This will allow me to make adjustments since my last reading had bass too boomy or too much of it. But now I can manually adjust sub db after running auto audyssey (more wiggle room like you say) for fine tuning
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4/7/12 at 8:49am
Will I be able to play WMA Lossless files via the usb input? I'm pretty sure most receivers won't and last year I only found one CD tuner for my truck that would. My wife's new Lexus with the Mark Levinson stereo won't even play them.
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