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post #11311 of 17933
4/26/12 at 3:33pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Nielson View Post

I purchased an AVR1612 refurb last year for my travel trailer. After using it for a while, I noticed that I had lost the right channel. I boxed it up thinking I might take it to the Denon repair center sometime. This winter we visited Phoenix where by sister and husband live. I had a conversation with my bro-in-law who does 'electronics stuff' and he said he could probably fix it. Figured that it couldn't hurt too much and if he couldn't find the answer, it probably wouldn't cost any more to fix than it was already going to cost.

Well, he found that if you were playing straight stereo (no 'enhancements') the right channel worked fine. (I didn't find this - I thought the problem had to do with temperature.) But when you pressed an 'enhancement' on the remote, like Movie or Music, etc, the right channel was lost.

He downloaded a manual online and found that the enhancement was produced by sending the signal thru an IC. Figured the IC was 'bad'. Found that he couldn't get the IC anywhere but Denon and it was $84+. Well, $84 would be cheaper than the full repair by Denon, so I told him to go ahead, buy the part and fix it.

It bugged him that nothing was coming out of the IC and took the unit to his workplace where he hooked it up to an ocilloscope. He could 'see' the signal going to the IC, but no output. Then he looked at all the soldering on the pins and found that 1 pin was unsoldered. A little solder and some heat and the problem was solved!! What a deal!

Just goes to show that some knowledge, some persistence, and a questioning mind can repair a receiver - you don't always have to 'take it to the shop'.

I don't have an ocilloscope handy but I do have the repair manual for my AVR-889 which just started acting up. I'm going to open the case and make sure all the cards are tight before totally giving up on it. It really isn't anything but another computer and I've been working on those for years. The thing is that the parts are less main-stream and cost a lot of money.
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post #11312 of 17933
4/26/12 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by Seeker2 View Post

It is difficult to say whether or not the issue is widespread. In my case I found quick fixes which were no big deal for me. So, it was no problem to unplug for a few seconds and it would be fine for a while. Same with streaming Pandora. Also, I can stream my iTunes from my computer as I have an optical cable running from it to the 2312. And, my BD player has Pandora, so there was always an alternative for me.

Actually, the Airstream issue being annoying has only been recent, because it is happening more often. First, it would just stop streaming once in a while, then more frequently. Lately I would not even be able to select the 2312 as playable speakers in iTunes as it was always grayed out, yet when looking at my network the 2312 was always listed as active.

However, since the update this afternoon it has been playing via Airstream just fine. But, the jury is still out on that without any confirmation what the update was designed to do, as well as it not having been long enough.

Considering I have read every page of this thread and have only read very few issues with NET/USB, I would have no problem ordering an XX12 now. Hell, I ordered a 3311 at the time they were having all sorts of network issues and everything turned out fine. However, the 3311 had just had an update at the time that was supposed to fix the issues, but I was sweating while updating it.

How's it sound? Any issues there? Are you still able to remote in to make setting changes from your pc on your network? I don't really care so much if the other stuff works well or not because I'm not going to use it, I think.
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post #11313 of 17933
4/26/12 at 4:27pm
An easy owner's question... regarding the 1712. If you set Audio to Music - Virtual via the remote and then switch to an unused HDMI input do you hear some what loud static (easy to hear within a few feet). The moment you play a source via that input the static goes away. As well as when you switch from Virtual to any of the other Movie choices. If it matter I'm running 2.0 (in the den).

Thanks.
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post #11314 of 17933
4/26/12 at 4:53pm
What exactly am I looking for on my iPhone 4s when trying to listen to tunes through Airplay? I figured out how to do it on my computer by clicking on that icon on the bottom of iTunes, but I can't figure it out on my actual iPhone.

Edit- trying to do this on my 1912
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post #11315 of 17933
4/26/12 at 5:12pm
I am on my second 1912 - I too am am having issues with the amp freezing after entering the net/USB mode. When it finally does respond I still cannot stream music - it will connect/authorize to pandora/rhapsody (I can see my playlists and library, etc), but when I choose a song to play it will return to the Internet radio screen and say "connecting". If I unplug the unit for a couple of seconds, everything works perfectly... For a few days.

The replacement receiver is experiencing similar issues - amp becomes unresponsive. So... It appears my new Netgear router is now the culprit - the common denominator. My previous wireless n router had to be replaced to resolve the AirPlay issues. this is a non issue now.

Does anyone know what router settings I can possibly modify in an attempt to troubleshoot this issue? I will try almost anything at this point. Thanks again.
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post #11316 of 17933
4/26/12 at 5:18pm
How about ditching the wireless router. The FCC rules for the frequency they use allows interference.. like the neighbor's garage door opener or your microwave.

This is why I us gigabit LAN.
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post #11317 of 17933
4/26/12 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by nuttybardude View Post

What exactly am I looking for on my iPhone 4s when trying to listen to tunes through Airplay? I figured out how to do it on my computer by clicking on that icon on the bottom of iTunes, but I can't figure it out on my actual iPhone.

Edit- trying to do this on my 1912

Double click your home button while you are playing something. Swipe the quick launch left to right until you get to the volume controls. You should see a similar airplay symbol.
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post #11318 of 17933
4/26/12 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post


How's it sound? Any issues there? Are you still able to remote in to make setting changes from your pc on your network? I don't really care so much if the other stuff works well or not because I'm not going to use it, I think.

The sound is great, but the AVR is only part of the sound equation. I am running a 7.2 speaker system made up of mostly Def Tech speakers on my 2312 and I can't say enough about how good the sound is. I love it!

Yes, I can do whatever I need to via the PC. You may want to look at the owners manual before buying to make sure the PC capabilities fill your needs.
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post #11319 of 17933
4/26/12 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by scirica View Post


Double click your home button while you are playing something. Swipe the quick launch left to right until you get to the volume controls. You should see a similar airplay symbol.

Your phone must be connected to the same network (via wifi) as your receiver for the symbol to show up, FYI.
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post #11320 of 17933
4/26/12 at 8:22pm
Hey guys,

I have a 2112 and I'm currently trying to figure out how to pass the sound to TV instead of having it play through my 2.1 system. Is there a simple switch on the remote that would allow me to do this?

Not sure if this matter, but it's my cable box which is plugged into hdmi port 3.
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post #11321 of 17933
4/26/12 at 9:50pm
Thread Starter 
there is no button on the remote, the HDMI AUDIO OUT setting is buried in the menus (see pg 89 of your manual).

however if you want to simply use the TV speakers occasionally for the cable box instead of powering up the receiver, it's easiest to just use the HDMI passthrough feature, so when the receiver is in standby you can just turn on the TV. read here: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#hdmi
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post #11322 of 17933
4/27/12 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by akamic View Post

I am on my second 1912 - I too am am having issues with the amp freezing after entering the net/USB mode. When it finally does respond I still cannot stream music - it will connect/authorize to pandora/rhapsody (I can see my playlists and library, etc), but when I choose a song to play it will return to the Internet radio screen and say "connecting". If I unplug the unit for a couple of seconds, everything works perfectly... For a few days.

The replacement receiver is experiencing similar issues - amp becomes unresponsive. So... It appears my new Netgear router is now the culprit - the common denominator. My previous wireless n router had to be replaced to resolve the AirPlay issues. this is a non issue now.

Does anyone know what router settings I can possibly modify in an attempt to troubleshoot this issue? I will try almost anything at this point. Thanks again.

What model is the router?
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post #11323 of 17933
4/27/12 at 7:33am
Is the AVR connected via ethernet or wirelessly?

If wireless, connect it to ethernet to see if that works.
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post #11324 of 17933
4/27/12 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

How about ditching the wireless router. The FCC rules for the frequency they use allows interference.. like the neighbor's garage door opener or your microwave.

This is why I us gigabit LAN.

gonna be hard to communicate wirelessly that way...

interference is really unlikely to be an issue... not only do i use a wireless router, i also use wireless access points (i.e. airport expresses) to stream music... works for me, and i am in a very wireless unfriendly house...
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post #11325 of 17933
4/27/12 at 7:54am
I understand that the iPhone needs to connect wirelessly but I think the AVR should be wired with gigabit lan.
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post #11326 of 17933
4/27/12 at 8:32am
^^^

while i don't disagree wired is "better" (i personally have a hardwired switch in my rack), gigabit is well into the land of overkill for the task at hand... the op is streaming music, not serving video... there's zero reason to hook your avr into a gigabit lan, heck, it would never even stress an old school 10m lan...

regardless, there will still be some wireless access necessary...
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post #11327 of 17933
4/27/12 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I understand that the iPhone needs to connect wirelessly but I think the AVR should be wired with gigabit lan.

Quick related question. I will soon be running network cables in some walls and then dry walling. And so before losing easy access to the walls, should I be using some other cable besides the usual Cat 5E? Will that work fine if I upgrade to gigabit capable equipment in the future? Just looking for some reasonable future proofing of the inside wall cabling, since it will be more difficult to change later. (Edit - I will be streaming video over the network from my HTPC and internet.)
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post #11328 of 17933
4/27/12 at 8:42am
hey guys

my speaker wire fiiiiinally came in the mail (stupid monoprice) so i get to set up my 2112 and monitor40s tonight!

however, i was reading a little about setting up the audyssey (sp) and i have a little concern. i have weird room and furniture (see image)

the 'yogibo' in the middle of the room is a beanbag chair (awesome!) that is about a foot and a half off the ground. the couch and chair are normal height. and as you can see the tv is in a weird corner.

i guess im confused as to the speaker height, and where the best place to put the audyssey mic during setup...

any ideas?
LL
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post #11329 of 17933
4/27/12 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by indio22 View Post

Quick related question. I will soon be running network cables in some walls and then dry walling. And so before losing easy access to the walls, should I be using some other cable besides the usual Cat 5E? Will that work fine if I upgrade to gigabit capable equipment in the future? Just looking for some reasonable future proofing of the inside wall cabling, since it will be more difficult to change later. (Edit - I will be streaming video over the network from my HTPC and internet.)

I use Cat5e for gigabit lan because I put it in many years ago before Cat6 was available. If you're doing it fresh now, order 1000' from monoprice unless you already have the cable. That said the Cat5e works just fine.
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post #11330 of 17933
4/27/12 at 8:48am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

while i don't disagree wired is "better" (i personally have a hardwired switch in my rack), gigabit is well into the land of overkill for the task at hand... the op is streaming music, not serving video... there's zero reason to hook your avr into a gigabit lan, heck, it would never even stress an old school 10m lan...

regardless, there will still be some wireless access necessary...

.. except when you add in an HTPC later and want to feed a 40mps blu-ray rip while other activities are happening on your network.
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post #11331 of 17933
4/27/12 at 9:15am
^^^

yes, we know you like your htpc... you've made that clear...

however, the part you took care to bold only emphasizes that my answer was (and is) correct...

one must be careful when giving advice to not let one's own specialized situation color it...
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post #11332 of 17933
4/27/12 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

yes, we know you like your htpc... you've made that clear...

however, the part you took care to bold only emphasizes that my answer was (and is) correct...

one must be careful when giving advice to not let one's own specialized situation color it...

You are correct but if there's an opportunity to hard wire it (open walls for speaker wires, etcetera) then do it because you never know what you may need down the road.
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post #11333 of 17933
4/27/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by doctorwizz View Post


What model is the router?

It is a Netgear N600 3400 (dual band). Working with pretty much the default settings. No other issues - iPad, laptop, and printer all connect fine, and stay connected.

I am in the process of purchasing an HDTV, so I am using composite video out. I did however have an HDMI cable connected to the amp - used it to connect a 20 inch flat screen to perform the initial receiver setup routine. I disconnected the cable from the receiver, just in case that was causing issues. I will try anything at this point.
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post #11334 of 17933
4/27/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by MB Cosworth View Post

Does any one know where my sound went? I just ran the calibration again on my 1712 after reading some more stuff here and the sound went bye bye. The calibration went fine since I heard all the tones. Also noticed that the ch level does not display.

I am thinking I screwed up a setting somewhere due to the fact that if I turn the tuner on I get sound out of the system but not when in dvd/bd/sat mode.

Thanks

Looks like it was not me after all. Determined that the Viera link on the Panasonic TV was having a conflict with the sound on the 1712. Turned that off and voila, sound.
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post #11335 of 17933
4/27/12 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by akamic View Post


It is a Netgear N600 3400 (dual band). Working with pretty much the default settings. No other issues - iPad, laptop, and printer all connect fine, and stay connected.

I am in the process of purchasing an HDTV, so I am using composite video out. I did however have an HDMI cable connected to the amp - used it to connect a 20 inch flat screen to perform the initial receiver setup routine. I disconnected the cable from the receiver, just in case that was causing issues. I will try anything at this point.

If you're trying to wirelessly connect the AVR to your network you need a wireless bridge as explained in the first few posts. Are you using a bridge?
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post #11336 of 17933
4/27/12 at 10:23am
Okay, I need a little help.

I've temporarily set my 3312ci up, via HDMI, to my Sony Bravia TV. The only inputs to the 3312ci are my STB, via HDMI, and a bluray player, via HDMI.

I just read, upstream, the instructions to allow HDMI passthrough. I did that. It works. With the CBL/SAT selected, I can either listen to programming through the 3312ci or the TV's speakers, depending on whether or not I've turned the 3312ci on. That's a nice feature.

Just now, I was using the 3312ci to listen/watch TV. Done with that, I selected TUNER, to listen to the radio. That works fine. However, I noticed the TV was still on... as it should be, since I never turned it off. It was showing the GUI for the radio station. As soon as I turned the TV OFF, the 3312ci went to standby. HUH???

Turning the TV on caused the 3312ci to turn on, to CBL/SAT. (Remember, it HAD just been on TUNER.)

So... What is going on?!?!?

Obviously, I could just turn off HDMI pass through and handle everything manually. That seems, um, not what I should have to do with something like the 3312ci.

Is it possible to let the TV speakers work when the 3312ci is in standby and NOT have the TV shut off the 3312ci?

Thanks,
Ken
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post #11337 of 17933
4/27/12 at 10:40am
Turn CEC off on the TV. IDK what Sony calls it but with Samsung it is Anynet+
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post #11338 of 17933
4/27/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by akamic View Post

It is a Netgear N600 3400 (dual band). Working with pretty much the default settings. No other issues - iPad, laptop, and printer all connect fine, and stay connected.

I am in the process of purchasing an HDTV, so I am using composite video out. I did however have an HDMI cable connected to the amp - used it to connect a 20 inch flat screen to perform the initial receiver setup routine. I disconnected the cable from the receiver, just in case that was causing issues. I will try anything at this point.

I had issues with a Netgear 3500 and a AVR-1912 until I put DD-WRT on it.
Every other device worked fine except the 1912. It would buffer with internet radio. Also the android app kept losing connection.
I'm a PC tech and could not get the stock firmware to work properly. I had a netgear WNDR-2000 just befor the 3500. That worked fine on stock with the 1912.
This was all on wired.

You may want to consider DD-WRT firmware.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database
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post #11339 of 17933
4/27/12 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by doctorwizz View Post

I had issues with a Netgear 3500 and a AVR-1912 until I put DD-WRT on it.
Every other device worked fine except the 1912. It would buffer with internet radio. Also the android app kept losing connection.
I'm a PC tech and could not get the stock firmware to work properly. I had a netgear WNDR-2000 just befor the 3500. That worked fine on stock with the 1912.
This was all on wired.

You may want to consider DD-WRT firmware.

http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database

^^^ This. Buffalo Routers gave up and have it out of the box.
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post #11340 of 17933
4/27/12 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Turn CEC off on the TV. IDK what Sony calls it but with Samsung it is Anynet+

FTW.

The Sony HDMI menu included a setting to turn HDMI units off. Changing that setting to off (it had been on) worked. Of course, it took a bunch of power cycling of the 3312ci, TV, and STB before all the HDMI syncing worked right, but now all is good.

Thanks.

Ken
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