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post #11491 of 17927
5/2/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by montyburns1 View Post

hey guys,

i got my setup all set for now, however my panasonic blu ray is not working...

ive got it plugged into hdmi1 on my 2112, but i get no signal. i know the blu ray works because i plugged it straight into my tv and its fine.

my dvr works fine through hdmi, and my old 5 dvd changer works fine through component+coax...

any ideas?

after switching around a few hdmi cables, and ports, and putting them back, i got this to work! huzzah! thanks jd!
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post #11492 of 17927
5/2/12 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

What I don't understand is ATV. AFAIK, it doesn't do 1080p mkv or HD Audio so what's the point?

I don't hate apple, per se, but when I can have better quality that's not enclosed in a walled garden I'm going to go that route.

As far as Denon goes what's with not supporting NTFS format?

It plays all your iTunes content on your TV/home theater system. That's the reason for its existence. It's a cheap and extremely easy way to get all your iTunes music, TV shows, and movies from your computer over to your big screen TV.
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post #11493 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:10am
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It plays all your iTunes content on your TV/home theater system. That's the reason for its existence. It's a cheap and extremely easy way to get all your iTunes music, TV shows, and movies from your computer over to your big screen TV.

Okay.. understood but does it decode mkv, the worlds most popular file container for storing dvd and brd backups to your server? Or do you have to fork over licensing fees to obtain another copy of what you have on the shelf backed up on your server? Can you use it with an HD tuner and bypass the CACo's monthly fee for a PVR saving $10 to $50 per month depending on how many STB's you have? That right here will cover the $300 to $400 cost of building an HTPC in a mater of months and then keep paying dividends after it pays for itself.

And what does iTunes offer that I don't already have with things such as Mediabrowser or even JRiver media center? It may be cheap. I'm pretty impressed by the $100 pricetag. But what it does seems rather limited and contained.

I'm not bagging on apple here. I'm just trying to educate that here may be abetter solution to look into.
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post #11494 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:10am
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It plays all your iTunes content on your TV/home theater system. That's the reason for its existence. It's a cheap and extremely easy way to get all your iTunes music, TV shows, and movies from your computer over to your big screen TV.

Okay.. understood but does it decode mkv, the worlds most popular file container for storing dvd and brd backups to your server? Or do you have to fork over licensing fees to obtain another copy of what you have on the shelf backed up on your server? Can you use it with an HD tuner and bypass the CACo's monthly fee for a PVR saving $10 to $50 per month depending on how many STB's you have? That right here will cover the $300 to $400 cost of building an HTPC in a matter of months and then keep paying dividends after it pays for itself.

And what does iTunes offer that I don't already have with things such as Mediabrowser or even JRiver media center? It may be cheap. I'm pretty impressed by the $100 pricetag. But what it does seems rather limited and contained.

I'm not bagging on apple here. I'm just trying to educate that here may be abetter solution to look into.
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post #11495 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:14am
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And what does iTunes offer that I don't already have with things such as Mediabrowser or even JRiver media center? It may be cheap. I'm pretty impressed by the $100 pricetag. But what it does seems rather limited and contained.

I'm not bagging on apple here. I'm just trying to educate that here may be abetter solution to look into.

Ease of use and economy. Mediabrowser and JRiver require a PC, not a $99 box.

It is highly contained. If it's not for you, it's not for you. It's definitely not for me - I built an HTPC with a tuner and use that to record live TV and stream media from my file server. But AppleTV is very simple and very easy.

People have iTunes and iPhones and iPads. They buy content from the iTunes Store. They buy a lot of it. Apple sells a lot of music, movies, and TV shows through the iTunes store. AppleTV provides an easy, cheap, coherent way to get all that content to your home theater system. That's why it exists.

Generally people who buy movies and TV shows from the iTunes Store aren't downloading MKVs, ripping their Blu-ray discs, or building HTPCs. AppleTV is a product for my dad, who has an iPhone and wants to play his iTunes music downstairs. It's simple as hell - you just plug it in and go. That's pretty much it. It grabs your iTunes library and away you go. Imagining my dad dealing with an HTPC or something is laughable.
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post #11496 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:24am
No, the new Apple TV will not play MKV files, it needs a Jailbreak for that and there isn't one yet.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1335289
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5/2/12 at 7:28am
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Ease of use and economy. Mediabrowser and JRiver require a PC, not a $99 box.

It is highly contained. If it's not for you, it's not for you. It's definitely not for me - I built an HTPC with a tuner and use that to record live TV and stream media from my file server. But AppleTV is very simple and very easy.

People have iTunes and iPhones and iPads. They buy content from the iTunes Store. They buy a lot of it. Apple sells a lot of music, movies, and TV shows through the iTunes store. AppleTV provides an easy, cheap, coherent way to get all that content to your home theater system. That's why it exists.

Generally people who buy movies and TV shows from the iTunes Store aren't downloading MKVs, ripping their Blu-ray discs, or building HTPCs. AppleTV is a product for my dad, who has an iPhone and wants to play his iTunes music downstairs. It's simple as hell - you just plug it in and go. That's pretty much it. It grabs your iTunes library and away you go. Imagining my dad dealing with an HTPC or something is laughable.

Guess I'm just an abnormal 50 something! I'm just saying there are other things besides Apple to consider for those who may be tech savy but just don't know other solutions exist. Apple is an awesome company for what they've accomplished since Bill Gates bailed them out but there are options. I'm just educating here.

Back to our regularly scheduled program..
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post #11498 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:31am
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Guess I'm just an abnormal 50 something! I'm just saying there are other things besides Apple to consider for those who may be tech savy but just don't know other solutions exist. Apple is an awesome company for what they've accomplished since Bill Gates bailed them out but there are options. I'm just educating here.

Back to our regularly scheduled program..

Well there's really no good alternative to get iTunes content to your TV. Even an HTPC with iTunes on it is a far inferior solution to getting iTunes content to your TV compared with AppleTV in terms of ease of use and ease of control.

So even if you have an HTPC, if you have a lot of iTunes content you might want to think about tossing an AppleTV in your system as well.
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post #11499 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post


Well there's really no good alternative to get iTunes content to your TV. Even an HTPC with iTunes on it is a far inferior solution to getting iTunes content to your TV compared with AppleTV in terms of ease of use and ease of control.

So even if you have an HTPC, if you have a lot of iTunes content you might want to think about tossing an AppleTV in your system as well.

Don't have iTunes because it takes control of content I've paid for out of my hands.
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post #11500 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:44am
Moving on to a different subject.

When switiching my 1912 from watching television to playing a Blu-Ray disc the volume noticably drops. Of course this is easily rectified yet I am curious as to why it occurs. The only reason I can think of is that I have my 1912's "Source Level - Digital Input" set at +10db. BTW, this did not occur with my Denon AVR 987.

Your thoughts please.
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post #11501 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:49am
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Don't have iTunes because it takes control of content I've paid for out of my hands.

I already agreed that you and I are not the target market for AppleTV
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post #11502 of 17927
5/2/12 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

Moving on to a different subject.

When switiching my 1912 from watching television to playing a Blu-Ray disc the volume noticably drops. Of course this is easily rectified yet I am curious as to why it occurs. The only reason I can think of is that I have my 1912's volume beginning at -10db. BTW, this did not occur with my Denon AVR 987.

Your thoughts please.

What audio codec? Sometimes dts-HD/MA tracts are -10dB over dts or LPCM. That may be what's happening here.
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post #11503 of 17927
5/2/12 at 8:14am
I know the Denon 1912 is capable of upconverting component video signals to HDMI video transfer. But has anyone had any luck getting theirs to upconvert a composite video source?

My just-purchased 1912 is trying it's best to transfer the video signal from my Sony VCR (which only has composite outputs) to my HDTV, but with alot of flickering and blackouts. (The audio is fine.)

I am using what would appear to be an RCA video input labelled "DVD" in the video input section and the RCA audio inputs labelled "DVD" for the sound. [I am not using the HDMI "DVD" input (#2).] I am assuming these are just generic RCA composite connections that Denon has simply labelled DVD but could be used for any RCA type source, but perhaps I am wrong.

Maybe I am asking too much of this AVR re the handling of older input sources.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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post #11504 of 17927
5/2/12 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

What audio codec? Sometimes dts-HD/MA tracts are -10dB over dts or LPCM. That may be what's happening here.

What is audio codec?
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post #11505 of 17927
5/2/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

What is audio codec?

Take a look here. Scroll down the page a bit and there's a bunch of links to explain codecs.

Hope that helps.
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post #11506 of 17927
5/2/12 at 8:54am
After running Audessey set up, does Audessey set sub level to achieve 75db reference level as well as all other speakers (I believe so, just want to confirm)? Per the link Sammy provided above (Thanks Sammy-good stuff), the author likes sub tuned in for 80db. Do y'all leave sub level as is after set up or bump up a few dbs? I know it is just personal preference but I like to see what folks do here. Thanks.
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5/2/12 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

What audio codec? Sometimes dts-HD/MA tracts are -10dB over dts or LPCM. That may be what's happening here.

Sammy2, please note the correction I made to my original information. I've put the text in bold.

"When switiching my 1912 from watching television to playing a Blu-Ray disc the volume noticably drops. Of course this is easily rectified yet I am curious as to why it occurs. The only reason I can think of is that I have my 1912's "Source Level - Digital Input" set at +10db. BTW, this did not occur with my Denon AVR 987."

Hopefully, this will make more sense. Thanks.
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post #11508 of 17927
5/2/12 at 9:15am
It seems that would raise the output by 10dB, no?
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post #11509 of 17927
5/2/12 at 9:39am
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I have a 1712. I've noticed that when audio goes away and comes back (unpausing, fast forwarding and then hitting play, etc) the volume takes a few seconds to ramp back up to where it was.

I did a search but couldn't turn anything up because of lack of good search terms.

Is this a known thing, and is there any way to disable it?

Is this happening strictly when watching blu-rays or dvds via a blu-ray/dvd player?

I seem to notice a half-second to a second long delay in some blu-ray/dvd playing circumstances w/ my Denon 1712 compared to the behavior of my previous (Pioneer) receiver, which seemed a little more immediate with audio returning. But certainly not anywhere close to a few seconds long delay.
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post #11510 of 17927
5/2/12 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

Too bad.

At least it makes my decision easier. 2312ci is it.

I'm now waiting for the price drop once 2313 is announced.

price has dropped $350 on amazon.com
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post #11511 of 17927
5/2/12 at 9:50am
Of course the phone call prices of other retailers may have dropped too.
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post #11512 of 17927
5/2/12 at 9:51am
Just waiting on the 3312ci to do the same and then I'm pulling the trigger..
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post #11513 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

It seems that would raise the output by 10dB, no?

Right at this moment I cannot adequately answer your question. I have found the answer to my original question.

Thanks
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post #11514 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:28am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

Moving on to a different subject.

When switiching my 1912 from watching television to playing a Blu-Ray disc the volume noticably drops. Of course this is easily rectified yet I am curious as to why it occurs. The only reason I can think of is that I have my 1912's "Source Level - Digital Input" set at +10db.

I'm a bit confused -- you have the source trimmed up by 10dB and you are surprised that it is louder than your other source (which presumably isn't)? The "only reason" you cite seems to be the specific explanation....
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post #11515 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

After running Audessey set up, does Audessey set sub level to achieve 75db reference level as well as all other speakers (I believe so, just want to confirm)? Per the link Sammy provided above (Thanks Sammy-good stuff), the author likes sub tuned in for 80db. Do y'all leave sub level as is after set up or bump up a few dbs? I know it is just personal preference but I like to see what folks do here. Thanks.

correct, Audyssey balances all speakers at the same volume level. You are free to run your sub a few dB "hot" if that is your preference.
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post #11516 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by Rex57 View Post

I know the Denon 1912 is capable of upconverting component video signals to HDMI video transfer. But has anyone had any luck getting theirs to upconvert a composite video source?

My just-purchased 1912 is trying it's best to transfer the video signal from my Sony VCR (which only has composite outputs) to my HDTV, but with alot of flickering and blackouts. (The audio is fine.)

I am using what would appear to be an RCA video input labelled "DVD" in the video input section and the RCA audio inputs labelled "DVD" for the sound. [I am not using the HDMI "DVD" input (#2).] I am assuming these are just generic RCA composite connections that Denon has simply labelled DVD but could be used for any RCA type source, but perhaps I am wrong.

Maybe I am asking too much of this AVR re the handling of older input sources.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

this has been known to happen with the "weak" analog signal of older components like VCR's. Test it with a "good" composite source (like a Wii or the output from your HD cable box) and I bet it works fine.
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post #11517 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

I have a 1712. I've noticed that when audio goes away and comes back (unpausing, fast forwarding and then hitting play, etc) the volume takes a few seconds to ramp back up to where it was.

I did a search but couldn't turn anything up because of lack of good search terms.

Is this a known thing, and is there any way to disable it?

Are you using Dynamic Volume? If so, turn it off and see if it still happens.
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post #11518 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by CitznFish View Post


price has dropped $350 on amazon.com

I'm still seeing a drop of $250 (for $599) on amazon.
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post #11519 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

I'm still seeing a drop of $250 (for $599) on amazon.

I think it was a typo before.
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post #11520 of 17927
5/2/12 at 10:42am
Thread Starter 
typo.... or bad arithmetic?
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