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post #11911 of 17909
5/11/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I just hooked up my 2312ci last night and that was one of the first things I did. IDK why that isn't default.

Network Standby is only required if you plan on accessing the AVR via a smartphone, iPad, or other wireless device. In some instances, having it ON also causes issues when saving the config.dat file to a PC.
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post #11912 of 17909
5/11/12 at 9:46am
So I have been a fly on the wall in this forum for a long time now. Just reading all of the informative posts. I now have a reason to post something. I received my AVR-1712 yesterday. I chose the 1712 because I didn't need all the bells and whistles available on the other models. I just wanted the multeq-xt. The 1712 was the last piece of my home theater system. I have been slowly building my system for about two years now. My system consists of Boston Acoustics Reflection series speakers RS334 fronts, RS244C center and RS230 rears with a Velodyne Sub (not sure which model). I hooked it all up last night using information from this forum and the Audyssey website. All 8 microphone measurements were done per Audyssey's recommendation and speaker sizes were set back to small per Audyssey website. I found that hooking everything up and setup was very straight forward. I'm using a PS3 as blueray player via HDMI. I tossed in the Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds Live from Radio City Music Hall blueray with audio set to Dolby True HD. HOLY F****ING S**T!!! It sounded amazing! I mean the speakers sounded good before with my crappy temporary Sony receiver but wow did this Denon with Multeq-xt wake everything up. It just sounded so beautiful. The soundstage was bliss. I then threw in the animated movie Despicable Me and was blown away by the sound effects I couldnt hear before. I love my system now. I know it's not the best or most expensive but it gives me a nice taste of audio heaven. Thanks to everyone in this thread for all of your information that led me to my decision of purchasing this receiver. JDSmoothie you rock! and Denon is okay in my book. HA!
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post #11913 of 17909
5/11/12 at 9:47am
Hi guys. I elected to trade in my Denon 1612 for a Denon 1712. To me the 1712 sounds a little fuller and crisper. HOWEVER---I hooked up a BT music adaptor so I can play my IPOD touch and thought it sounded terrible. The 1712 doesn't have a direct digital connection like the 1612 either. What would be the best way to get good sound from my Ipod touch to my receiver ? Apple TV ?
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post #11914 of 17909
5/11/12 at 9:55am
So I bought a 2312 refurb a couple weeks ago. I'm finally settled in with it and am very happy and it works great. I noticed Denon offers a 1 and 2 year extended warranty on the refurb units. If I buy the 2 year extended warranty from Denon it will still end up cheaper than the best price I found new. My question is whether Denon's warranty is any good or if I should look elsewhere (squaretrade etc) or just take my chances with the shorter refurb warranty. This is my first Denon product and it's flawless so far. My last receiver was a 2001 Sony ES which is still alive and kicking in my bedroom.
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post #11915 of 17909
5/11/12 at 9:57am
I ordered the 2312ci after much deliberations.
Send me a private msg if you want the details on cost etc.
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post #11916 of 17909
5/11/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by niualaals94 View Post

Just got the 2112 from the EE deal. Would it be ok to run 1.3a HDMI cables until I get 1.4a? What can/can't I run? Running DVR/PS3/WD TV for now.

Yes, however, as long as your HDMI 1.3 cables are "High Speed" (ie. 1080p) there's no reason to replace them. Cables should have never been rated with an HDMI spec, rather the device itself is rated HDMI 1.3 or 1.4.
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post #11917 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

Hi guys. I elected to trade in my Denon 1612 for a Denon 1712. To me the 1712 sounds a little fuller and crisper. HOWEVER---I hooked up a BT music adaptor so I can play my IPOD touch and thought it sounded terrible. The 1712 doesn't have a direct digital connection like the 1612 either. What would be the best way to get good sound from my Ipod touch to my receiver ? Apple TV ?

Give a 3.5mm to RCA cable a try.
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post #11918 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

So I bought a 2312 refurb a couple weeks ago. I'm finally settled in with it and am very happy and it works great. I noticed Denon offers a 1 and 2 year extended warranty on the refurb units. If I buy the 2 year extended warranty from Denon it will still end up cheaper than the best price I found new. My question is whether Denon's warranty is any good or if I should look elsewhere (squaretrade etc) or just take my chances with the shorter refurb warranty. This is my first Denon product and it's flawless so far. My last receiver was a 2001 Sony ES which is still alive and kicking in my bedroom.

Denon refurbs have a 1 year warranty and if you purchased with a credit card, your credit card provider may add an additional year (Amex will do this for sure) making it 2 years which should be more than sufficient. I have no experience with the Denon warranty, but if you still feel you want a longer warranty, I would go with whichever one is the least expensive (SquareTrade vs. Denon) for the time frame you want to extend the warranty.
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post #11919 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:13am
Denon 1712 is controling the sound on my pc through hdmi. Problem is when I want just headphones and not my stereo the sound turns down on the pc so my headphones are muted as well as the speakers.
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post #11920 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:14am
will do. Do you think that will be superior to using ATV ? Or the dedicated digital line on the 1612 ? ( I still have the 1612 if needed)
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post #11921 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

What would be the best way to get good sound from my Ipod touch to my receiver ? Apple TV ?

For $99, the ability to stream wireless PCM from Apple devices to the receiver nearly justifies the entire cost of Apple TV; all the video capability you get is ironically gravy. You can also go with Airport Express, which doesn't require a TV to operate, and has an analog audio output, which AE does not. The analog output his handy for Zone 2 if you use that.
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post #11922 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by niualaals94 View Post

Just got the 2112 from the EE deal. Would it be ok to run 1.3a HDMI cables until I get 1.4a? What can/can't I run? Running DVR/PS3/WD TV for now.

No such thing. There's standard speed cables and high speed cables. That's it.
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post #11923 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Network Standby is only required if you plan on accessing the AVR via a smartphone, iPad, or other wireless device. In some instances, having it ON also causes issues when saving the config.dat file to a PC.

Good to know.

I am accessing it via the AVR android app. Also, doesn't it need to be on to stream music from a PC when you are pushing the content from the pc?
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post #11924 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

On my phone using the avs app right now and post #3 is pretty difficult to navigate so I'll just ask this.

I have a Denon ASD-3N that is set up to stream internet radio from the RadioDenon / vTuner service. How do I migrate my account for internet radio streaming into my newly installed 2213ci?

Also, I just got the 2312ci hooked up last night and programmed basic funtionality to operate things with the Harmony 900. It looks like I need to use the Denon remote for a while to get the hang of the advanced funtionality of this unit so I can migrate that over to the H900 later. I think this will work better than just charging right into programming the H900 so I can use it for the best control of the AVR. Thoughts? Comments?

I did seach post #3 now that I am at a computer and didn't find this addressed.
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post #11925 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

So I bought a 2312 refurb a couple weeks ago. I'm finally settled in with it and am very happy and it works great. I noticed Denon offers a 1 and 2 year extended warranty on the refurb units. If I buy the 2 year extended warranty from Denon it will still end up cheaper than the best price I found new. My question is whether Denon's warranty is any good or if I should look elsewhere (squaretrade etc) or just take my chances with the shorter refurb warranty. This is my first Denon product and it's flawless so far. My last receiver was a 2001 Sony ES which is still alive and kicking in my bedroom.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Denon refurbs have a 1 year warranty and if you purchased with a credit card, your credit card provider may add an additional year (Amex will do this for sure) making it 2 years which should be more than sufficient. I have no experience with the Denon warranty, but if you still feel you want a longer warranty, I would go with whichever one is the least expensive (SquareTrade vs. Denon) for the time frame you want to extend the warranty.

I've never been a fan of extended warranties. By the time you need it the product is obsolete anyhow (well not totally as in the case of my 889, but I like the network functionality of the 2312ci so it is) and they are profit centers for the sellers of them as the limitations placed on using them almost makes them worthless.

I think A4L has one year through Denon and the others are 90 days return or something like that. You didn't say where you got the refurb but if it was from A4L I'd say just go with the one year, otherwise maybe get a one year extended but check out all the terms and conditions before popping down $$ for it, no matter where you get it.
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post #11926 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by giabyul View Post

So I have been a fly on the wall in this forum for a long time now. Just reading all of the informative posts. I now have a reason to post something. I received my AVR-1712 yesterday. I chose the 1712 because I didn't need all the bells and whistles available on the other models. I just wanted the multeq-xt. The 1712 was the last piece of my home theater system. I have been slowly building my system for about two years now. My system consists of Boston Acoustics Reflection series speakers RS334 fronts, RS244C center and RS230 rears with a Velodyne Sub (not sure which model). I hooked it all up last night using information from this forum and the Audyssey website. All 8 microphone measurements were done per Audyssey's recommendation and speaker sizes were set back to small per Audyssey website. I found that hooking everything up and setup was very straight forward. I'm using a PS3 as blueray player via HDMI. I tossed in the Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds Live from Radio City Music Hall blueray with audio set to Dolby True HD. HOLY F****ING S**T!!! It sounded amazing! I mean the speakers sounded good before with my crappy temporary Sony receiver but wow did this Denon with Multeq-xt wake everything up. It just sounded so beautiful. The soundstage was bliss. I then threw in the animated movie Despicable Me and was blown away by the sound effects I couldnt hear before. I love my system now. I know it's not the best or most expensive but it gives me a nice taste of audio heaven. Thanks to everyone in this thread for all of your information that led me to my decision of purchasing this receiver. JDSmoothie you rock! and Denon is okay in my book. HA!

You express exactly how I felt 3+ years ago when I first used my AVR-889. Hoping to replicate that with the 2312ci but it does feel to be a few pounds lighter.
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post #11927 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Good to know.

I am accessing it via the AVR android app. Also, doesn't it need to be on to stream music from a PC when you are pushing the content from the pc?

That would be a "wireless device", no?

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I did seach post #3 now that I am at a computer and didn't find this addressed.

It's not ... IIRC, it's never been asked before and I don't know.
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post #11928 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

will do. Do you think that will be superior to using ATV ? Or the dedicated digital line on the 1612 ? ( I still have the 1612 if needed)

Doubt you would notice a difference either way. The ATV; however, obviously offers a wireless connection, can pass video, and allows you to play Airplay to Zone 2 with another source in the main zone. You would however, need an optical --> analog converter to play ATV to Zone 2.
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post #11929 of 17909
5/11/12 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Doubt you would notice a difference either way. The ATV; however, obviously offers a wireless connection, can pass video, and allows you to play Airplay to Zone 2 with another source in the main zone. You would however, need an optical --> analog converter to play ATV to Zone 2.

Can't you just use optical out of an AppleTV to play audio in Zone 2? As long as it is PCM audio, there should be no trouble. Or is that feature (PCM digital audio to Z2) only available on certain models?
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post #11930 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:04am
^^
Feature only available on the 33XX series and higher.
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post #11931 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Feature only available on the 33XX series and higher.

Ah, makes sense.
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post #11932 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

2. How do I connect and set up two subwoofers?

This depends on which version of MultEQ you use. If you are fortunate enough to use XT32, then you have an AVR or prepro designed specifically to be able to EQ two subs. XT32 measures the delays and levels of each sub independently and then EQs them together in the room as a pair. In this case, connect one sub to each sub outlet on your unit, tell your unit you have two subs connected (in the menus not by whispering into its grilles) and then run XT32, following the onscreen instructions. It is recommended to run identical subs or subs with very similar critical performance specifications because XT32 will EQ to the capabilities of the LEAST capable sub if the two subs are very different in performance.

If you have the MultEQ or MultEQ XT version of Audyssey, things are more complicated. Using either version, you will get best results by connecting both subs to ONE outlet on your AVR with a Y-cord. This applies even if your unit has two sub outlets - simply use Sub Outlet A or 1. This is because MultEQ and MultEQ XT cannot EQ two subs as two subs. When you run MultEQ or MultEQ XT, you will find that Audyssey now pings both your subs as if they are one and sets the level and distance as if they are one and then goes on to EQ them as if they are one. This also means that it is highly recommended to use identical subs, if possible, and place them equidistant from the Main Listening Position or very close together (collocated). Because Audyssey MultEQ XT cannot set the levels and the delays individually, you can see why it is a good idea for the subs to be equidistant from the Main Listening Position and identical to each other, or have very similar critical performance specifications. It is also important to set the levels on both subs so that they are the same, before you do the Audyssey calibration. One way to do this is to run a test tone from your AVR or a calibration disc with one sub switched off. Set the active sub so that it reads about 72dB using a Sound Pressure Level meter located at the Main Listening Position. Then switch that sub off and repeat the procedure for the second sub. It is vital that you do this step or your subs will be unbalanced'. If you aim for 72dB on each sub then you will allow for the greater output from the pair. MultEQ and MultEQ XT will adjust the sub trim to the appropriate level when doing the calibration.

I am planning to add another sub to my 2312. Per Batpig, I should use a Y cable even my 2312 has two subs out??? Is there a reason why I should not connect each sub to each sub out of my 2312? I understand that my 2312 will not EQ two subs individually and only EQ two subs as one, can I not utilize the two subs out still? Is it that bad to have two different brands of subs? I am trying to sell my Klipsch SW310 and replace it with the SVS SB12, but if I cannot sell it, should I just use the SB12 alone or can I make use of both the SB12 and Klipsch SW310 to yield better over all bass? Thanks.
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post #11933 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:18am
^^
Using a single sub preout ensures the sub signal is sent to both subs at the same time. You can use 2 different subs, but you'll want to level match them as indicated in that post you quoted. Also refer to the Audyssey FAQ linked in my sig for info on using dual subs.
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post #11934 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by giabyul View Post

I tossed in the Dave Mathews and Tim Reynolds Live from Radio City Music Hall blueray with audio set to Dolby True HD. HOLY F****ING S**T!!! It sounded amazing! I mean the speakers sounded good before with my crappy temporary Sony receiver but wow did this Denon with Multeq-xt wake everything up. It just sounded so beautiful. The soundstage was bliss. I then threw in the animated movie Despicable Me and was blown away by the sound effects I couldnt hear before.

+1 MultiXT makes my so so speakers sound open up with detail like hi-end speakers. It even makes my cheapy in-ceiling Polk Audio sound like those nice book shelf speakers
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post #11935 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:22am
I have a quick question. I did all my Audyssey measurements last night and everything sounded good, real good but I just realized that the sub phase switch was depressed to 180 degrees. Should I redo the measurements with the sub phase switch in the proper position or can I just switch it and be okay?
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post #11936 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Using a single sub preout ensures the sub signal is sent to both subs at the same time. You can use 2 different subs, but you'll want to level match them as indicated in that post you quoted. Also refer to the Audyssey FAQ linked in my sig for info on using dual subs.

Understood. So what is the point of Denon having two subs out then for MultiXT?
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post #11937 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:25am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Network Standby is only required if you plan on accessing the AVR via a smartphone, iPad, or other wireless device. In some instances, having it ON also causes issues when saving the config.dat file to a PC.

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Good to know.

I am accessing it via the AVR android app. Also, doesn't it need to be on to stream music from a PC when you are pushing the content from the pc?

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

That would be a "wireless device", no?

No I'm thinking of pushing music via the WindowsMediaPlayer service or maybe another software posted in post #3 to the AVR via my wired network, if that is posible. (Page 76 of the manual)


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On my phone using the avs app right now and post #3 is pretty difficult to navigate so I'll just ask this.

I have a Denon ASD-3N that is set up to stream internet radio from the RadioDenon / vTuner service. How do I migrate my account for internet radio streaming into my newly installed 2213ci?

Also, I just got the 2312ci hooked up last night and programmed basic funtionality to operate things with the Harmony 900. It looks like I need to use the Denon remote for a while to get the hang of the advanced funtionality of this unit so I can migrate that over to the H900 later. I think this will work better than just charging right into programming the H900 so I can use it for the best control of the AVR. Thoughts? Comments?

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I did seach post #3 now that I am at a computer and didn't find this addressed.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It's not ... IIRC, it's never been asked before and I don't know.

I guess I'll be the one to figure it out and post back. Hopefully it will be as simple as using my log-in credentials that I have for RadioDenon but if it is locked down to a MAC address for each device it may be a bit more difficult.

BTW, I think using the Denon remote for a while to get a feel for it before fully programing the H900 is the right approach.
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post #11938 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by giabyul View Post

I have a quick question. I did all my Audyssey measurements last night and everything sounded good, real good but I just realized that the sub phase switch was depressed to 180 degrees. Should I redo the measurements with the sub phase switch in the proper position or can I just switch it and be okay?

You could listen to it for a while then run Audyssey again with it in phase and listen to that for a while then go with whichever sounds better to you.
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post #11939 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by giabyul View Post

I have a quick question. I did all my Audyssey measurements last night and everything sounded good, real good but I just realized that the sub phase switch was depressed to 180 degrees. Should I redo the measurements with the sub phase switch in the proper position or can I just switch it and be okay?

I'd reset it to 0 and rerun AUTO SETUP again. More practice for you.
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post #11940 of 17909
5/11/12 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

Understood. So what is the point of Denon having two subs out then for MultiXT?

Has nothing to do with Audyssey, rather simply a marketing tool to make folks with 2 subwoofers think they have to upgrade to a dual sub preout AVR when all they really need is a $3 RCA "Y" splitter cable.
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