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post #12001 of 18955
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Originally Posted by nwlondoner View Post

I'm using the denon remote iPhone app and tbh it is a pain in the a**.

It can take a lifetime to connect and sometimes it won't even detect my 1912.

Anybody else have the same issue??

Yes.

For me, Android app is better (just as Android OS is better).

To each their own though.

FWIW, I own an iPad, iPhone, and an Android phone.
post #12002 of 18955
Thinking upgrading Denon AVR-591 to Denon AVR 2312CI. My Speakers are polk monitor 70's, cs2 center, monitor 30's surround and klipsch sw-450 sub. Will I notice any difference in sound?

Here the specs on each receiver

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR2312C.../dp/B004Z0S7JW

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-591-...6921740&sr=1-1

Thanks everyone
post #12003 of 18955
Thread Starter 
The 2312 has superior MultEQ XT version of Audyssey and a little more power so the answer is.... maybe.
post #12004 of 18955
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

I'm curious about opinions on Audyssey's Dynamic Volume.

I'm currently listening with it Off, but I would like to hear opinions from people who have used it for a while. Do you switch it to the different settings - Day, Evening, Midnight, depending on what or when you are watching? Which of the settings is your favorite?

Dynamic volume lets you tame the high and lows when you want to keep it quieter for eg. during late night when you don't want to disturbed the kids at bed time or annoy the neighbors. Use anytime at your preference with Day having the least affect and Midnight having the most affect.
post #12005 of 18955
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

I'm curious about opinions on Audyssey's Dynamic Volume.

I'm currently listening with it Off, but I would like to hear opinions from people who have used it for a while. Do you switch it to the different settings - Day, Evening, Midnight, depending on what or when you are watching? Which of the settings is your favorite?

Dyn Vol is purely an "as needed" technology. Someone else's preferences won't really mean much to you.

The reason to use Dyn Vol is because you are constantly having to fiddle with the volume (eg turn it up for dialogue, turn it back down for explosions). The correct setting is the one that allows you to enjoy the content without having to adjust the volume. The "correct" setting will depend upon the source, the time of day, your speakers + room acoustics, your preference, etc.
post #12006 of 18955
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

I just wanted to post my experiences with my Harmony and the AVR-2312. From reading the older thread posts (and I admit I haven't made it through all 400 pages yet ), I learned the trick of adding other devices to my bedroom system Harmony 550 and then using that to teach commands to my Harmony One for the Denon. I added an AVR-2311 to learn the dyn/eq vol button (very useful IMHO since I don't always use dynamic volume) and also a tuner mode button that's kinda useful if a station is almost coming in (although I use net radion most of the time anyway). The direct/stereo and standard surround buttons are also kind of useful as you don't have to scroll through so many sound modes with Music/Movie, etc buttons.

I also added an AVR-1610 to get the status and dimmer buttons that are on the front panel, but not on the remote.

All the commands work great, and then you can delete those devices from the other remote. I think it's crazy that the Denons support all the commands but they aren't on all the remotes. I know space becomes an issue, but it seems like every Denon remote is completely different.

Thanks for the tips everyone!

This is a great post. Buying an el cheapo second universal remote (or using one you already have) as the "teacher" is the easiest and most effective way to flesh out the command set on your main harmony remote. There are lots of neat commands on older models like front panel dimmer, status display, a/b speaker switching, input mode toggles, etc.
post #12007 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The 2312 has superior MultEQ XT version of Audyssey and a little more power so the answer is.... maybe.


hmm..was looking for something a little more positive! May be able to get the 2312 for about $400. Has the banding issue though. Maybe I will wait fr something else to come along.
post #12008 of 18955
Thread Starter 
Let's put it this way: the 2312 is superior to the 591 in every conceivable way. That doesn't mean however that you will notice a big difference in basic SQ. But the 2312 is unquestionably better.
post #12009 of 18955
Batpig/JDSmoothie/any other experts,

I'm a newbie here and first of all thanks to the wonderful help you have been providing to people in this forum. Your posts helped me decide which AVR to buy as I'm not an expert in this area - I just purchased and setup Denon 2112ci receiver and Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers. My living room is a bit large(you know those apt living rooms with kitchen and dining combined), so my surround speakers are placed on the sides about 10'+ horizontally and 5' vertically from the ear position . I completed the audyssey auto calibration. I have connected my PS3, TV (both via HDMI), IPOD(USB) and router(ethernet cable) to the Denon.
The issue is that when I play something from PS3(tried blu ray and Netflix), the sound is very low and dull. But at the same time when I play internet radio(128 kbps) on the Denon it gives me a very good sound. I have set the volume almost above mid level. I setup the PS3 video and audio settings as mentioned in Batpig's faq but still the sound does not seem to get better. In fact its even lower than when the PS3 is connected directly to the TV. I would really appreciate some help from you guys on how I can correct this and how to get the full potential of these puppies.

Thanks,
Tom
post #12010 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


This is a great post. Buying an el cheapo second universal remote (or using one you already have) as the "teacher" is the easiest and most effective way to flesh out the command set on your main harmony remote. There are lots of neat commands on older models like front panel dimmer, status display, a/b speaker switching, input mode toggles, etc.

Not just cheapo second remote but has to be one similar to Harmony with ability to add other manufacture remotes. With other cheapo remote, you can only learn/teach/program a function with the original remote. Unfortunately, I do not have older Denon remotes to be able to program those specific function such as dimmer, dyn/eq vol, status display, etc...to my H650. I might just pick up a H 200/300 for this. Thanks.
post #12011 of 18955
Actually, now i think about it, I can add the older Denon to my H650 (i still have one device I can add), then teach those specific functions to my old Marantz rc2000 remote and then teach it back to my H650 Denon 3312 device. Problem solved
post #12012 of 18955
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

If you can and it's not already try to angle the center to ear level. You could also try to bumping it up a few db to see if that makes a difference.

If it is still hollow sounding check the polarity (+ to +, - to - ). If still no luck try switching out speakers (I believe the LRC are all the same) and if the replacement does not sound hollow you probably have a defective speaker in which you should get repaired or replaced.

I will try swapping speakers. I haven't done that yet. Thanks
post #12013 of 18955
Yep the center channel speaker sounds different when I swap it for either the left or right. You were right. Thanks
post #12014 of 18955
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

I'm curious about opinions on Audyssey's Dynamic Volume.

I'm currently listening with it Off, but I would like to hear opinions from people who have used it for a while. Do you switch it to the different settings - Day, Evening, Midnight, depending on what or when you are watching? Which of the settings is your favorite?

I agree with the other posters, it's as needed. Personally, I either need it or I don't so I find "Off" and "Midnight" to be only options I use with Midnight only on when I'm watching a movie after the kids go to bed. As I posted before, the "Dyn Eq/Vol" button from older Denon models is handy for this. I don't use Dynamic Volume at all for music as most (especially Rock/Pop/etc) music is compressed enough and I don't listen to much classical music after the kids are in bed although this is an entirely different topic of conversation.
post #12015 of 18955
I would like to invite you to participate in the "Denon Audyssey Users Poll" located at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1410370 .
post #12016 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Frank L01 View Post

Yep the center channel speaker sounds different when I swap it for either the left or right. You were right. Thanks

Should have a 5yr. warranty.
post #12017 of 18955
I'm having trouble with the spongebob in LR and AirPlay on the deck (aka AirPlay to apple tv optical to DAC RCA to CD input work around for zone 2) on my 1912. I cant get any sound to zone 2. Can ATV2 have both a HDMI and optical going at same time or is it one or he other?
post #12018 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Headhunter1994 View Post

I'm having trouble with the spongebob in LR and AirPlay on the deck (aka AirPlay to apple tv optical to DAC RCA to CD input work around for zone 2) on my 1912. I cant get any sound to zone 2. Can ATV2 have both a HDMI and optical going at same time or is it one or he other?

Yes it will play both at the same time (I do it). To get the optical to output with analog converter in Input Mode select Analog. Have not done it but I think it will work. Leave Digital in Input Assign to None and the analog should default to the red and white inputs.
post #12019 of 18955
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Originally Posted by 49Merc View Post

I would like to invite you to participate in the "Denon Audyssey Users Poll" located at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1410370 .

Why are you collecting data for.

Personal
Audyssey
Group

Please check one and leave comment.
post #12020 of 18955
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Originally Posted by spager View Post


Yes it will play both at the same time (I do it). To get the optical to output with analog converter in Input Mode select Analog. Have not done it but I think it will work. Leave Digital in Input Assign to None and the analog should default to the red and white inputs.

Input mode is analog, and in Input Assign all are none. I tried another set if wires too, Still no sound.

What is easiest test to just to confirm zone 2 is function properly?
post #12021 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Headhunter1994 View Post


Input mode is analog, and in Input Assign all are none. I tried another set if wires too, Still no sound.

What is easiest test to just to confirm zone 2 is function properly?

Also, when I change Input mode to Analog my directv (via HDMI) sound goes off in main zone Only works when on Auto
post #12022 of 18955
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Originally Posted by Headhunter1994 View Post


Input mode is analog, and in Input Assign all are none. I tried another set if wires too, Still no sound.

What is easiest test to just to confirm zone 2 is function properly?

Update. Zone 2 is working. I can AirPlay to Denon directly and play is both zones. Just can't get AirPlay to atv in zone 2 working while main zone in using another source.
post #12023 of 18955
Thread Starter 
Your next step is to confirm that the optical>analog converter is working correctly and that you are even getting a "hot" audio feed. So forget about zone 2, that's obviously working, try plugging it in with JUST the analog feed and seeing if you can play music in main zone.
post #12024 of 18955
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

In anticipation of receiving my 2312ci next week, I'm reading the owners manual PDF...Where do you connect the subwoofer(s)?Ah! Just saw that the SW connections are from the pre-amp stage. The SW has to be self powered.

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Originally Posted by OldSchoolMETAL View Post

...If you have passive subwoofers, simply send your front main channel receiver outputs to them, and then send the output from that passive subwoofer with the high crossed over frequencies to your main front channel speakers. Set your main speakers as large so that the LFE and bass from small speakers get rerouted to them.

Definitely not ideal...

Yes, a passive sub is far from ideal. A powered sub is an exremely worthwhile investment in your HT for several reasons:
Audyssey is designed to work best utilizing the sub ch preout on your AVR. That way the bass management is properly handled for all channels. <<Mult EQ and MultEQXT versions of Audyssey have added filter power on the dedicated sub channel. Of course 2EQ has no EQ on the sub ch at all-NEVER buy that! And with XT32 all channels get added power equal to the sub ch. Sub ch EQ is vital to deal with the problematic room interactions that occur at bass freqs.>> OK, well bottom line is you lose all that added EQ power if you don't use the sub ch preout. In addition, a powered sub takes a considerable load off your AVR's amps/power transformer. The work-around if you already have a passive sub and don't want to replace it is to run the sub ch preout signal to an ext amp and then to the passive sub.
post #12025 of 18955
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

AND all versions of Audyssey except XT32 have added filter power on the dedicated sub channel to deal with the problematic room interactions that occur at bass freqs.

I believe you made a typo there. 2EQ is the version without sub equalization. XT32 provides the best equalization (unless you get the Pro version), including the sub.
post #12026 of 18955
^Thnx, edited for clarity
post #12027 of 18955
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

Why are you collecting data for.

Personal X
Audyssey
Group

Please check one and leave comment.

The Audyssey users poll was created out of mere personal curiosity.

With so much discussion regarding Audyssey this and that I would like to discover the final Audyssey settings made by other Denon AVR owners. Of course I do realize there are countless variables, guidelines and opinions so take this poll at face value. I do not believe anyone should depend on the poll answers to make hard and fast decisions.

I hope you enjoy this poll.
post #12028 of 18955
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Let's put it this way: the 2312 is superior to the 591 in every conceivable way. That doesn't mean however that you will notice a big difference in basic SQ. But the 2312 is unquestionably better.


Ended up getting the 2312ci for $350 so it won't be a huge mistake if I do not notice a difference.
post #12029 of 18955
Where did you get that price? Is it new? Was it an authorized seller?
post #12030 of 18955
Used. The y person I bought fro. Said it has the banding issue with the video scaled which I will never use.
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