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post #12181 of 17940
So I've been trying to a couple of weeks to download updated firmware for my 2112ci, and I get the Connection failed:25 message. Have tried:
- Microprocessor Reset
- Firmware Reset
- Going directly to the modem (no router)
- Taken to a different ISP (I am on Comcast, tried In Laws AT&T DSL)

According to the firmware log, the update is supposed to fix the "Connection Failed: 25" issue, which basically means if I have this issue, no way to get it fixed other than sending it into the service center. I know if I call Denon, the message will be "don't bother, unless there is a problem". So far, this is the only problem I have (Pandora and Airplay seem to work fine, which is my primary usage).

So should I just disable the update notification and forget about it? Anything else to try, or look for. The update is supposed to fix other network connectivity issues -- although I haven't seen any to date, may just be that I am new to the device...

Thoughts appreciated...
post #12182 of 17940
^^
If you are located near a repair facility and don't mind being without your unit for a week, then drop it off and have the facililty update it for you while it's still under warranty. It might even be possible for you to drop it off and pick it up the same day depending on their workload so talk to them and see what you can schedule.
post #12183 of 17940
Looking to purchase the Apple Airport Express to play music through Airplay to my 2112ci. From what I've been reading, you plug the Airport into the wall, which receives your computers wireless signal from somewhere else in the house, and then run an ethernet cable from the Airport into the Denon receiver.

Is this correct, and are any other cables necessary? I noticed the Airport has and USB and audio jack as well, so I'm a little confused what these are for.

Thanks in advance.
post #12184 of 17940
That's awesome! Same day service possibilities even if it does depend on workload. I'll keep this in mind if I ever need it as there's a service center about 30 miles from me. Could be nearly 2 hours at the wrong time of day, though!
post #12185 of 17940
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Originally Posted by Beeron View Post

Looking to purchase the Apple Airport Express to play music through Airplay to my 2112ci. From what I've been reading, you plug the Airport into the wall, which receives your computers wireless signal from somewhere else in the house, and then run an ethernet cable from the Airport into the Denon receiver.

Is this correct, and are any other cables necessary? I noticed the Airport has and USB and audio jack as well, so I'm a little confused what these are for.

Thanks in advance.

You do need to have a wireless router to get the signal from your PC. As far as hooking it up to the Denon goes, IDK as I have not researched this product.
post #12186 of 17940
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

You do need to have a wireless router to get the signal from your PC. As far as hooking it up to the Denon goes, IDK as I have not researched this product.

Yeah, got the wireless already going in the house. I just need to know if any other connections/cables are required from the Airport to the Denon in order to play music.
post #12187 of 17940
The product page (footnote #4) says the ethernet jack on it is for conncting to your router or switch (wired). The 3.5mm mini jack is for connecting to a compatible stereo.. in this case your Denon. I think you also need to have a 3.5mm to L/R RCA adaptor to do that. Monoprice is the place for all your cabling needs. To do what you're wanting to do you need a wireless bridge.
post #12188 of 17940
^^^

nope... doesn't need a bridge... the ax will join his existing wireless network...

he would then either use a mini-toslink to toslink cable, or a 3.5mm stereo to rca pair cable... the jack on the ax is "magic", it will either do digital or analog...
post #12189 of 17940
Well he does need a wireless bridge. The Airport Express has a bridge mode, though.

The audio port on the AX is for AirPlay/AirTunes. It will allow you to stream music out the audio port from a computer running iTunes (or an iPhone/iPad) through the Airport Express.
post #12190 of 17940
^^^

nope... he doesn't... the ax will join as a client on his existing wireless network, it does not have to be set up in bridge mode... i have 4 of them hooked up that way...
post #12191 of 17940
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

nope... he doesn't... the ax will join as a client on his existing wireless network, it does not have to be set up in bridge mode... i have 4 of them hooked up that way...

That's what bridge mode is. Instead of being a wireless access point and creating a wireless network, bridge mode means it will act as a wireless client and create a wired network.
post #12192 of 17940
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

The audio port on the AX is for AirPlay/AirTunes. It will allow you to stream music out the audio port from a computer running iTunes (or an iPhone/iPad) through the Airport Express.

which, had you read his post, is exactly what he wants to do
post #12193 of 17940
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

nope... doesn't need a bridge... the ax will join his existing wireless network...

he would then either use a mini-toslink to toslink cable, or a 3.5mm stereo to rca pair cable... the jack on the ax is "magic", it will either do digital or analog...

That is what I said (less the toslink part). I was not clear but it appears to me from what the specs say is that ethernet jack is for connecting to your network and not to go from the AX to the NIC on the Denon. I could be wrong but I'm just reading what the specs say. When I said that he needed a wireless bridge I was thinking the AX didn't act as a bridge and that to do what he wants to do he'd need one and wouldn't need the AX.

BTW, what's an AX cost?
post #12194 of 17940
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

which, had you read his post, is exactly what he wants to do

Is it? I don't see anywhere he specifies that. He just says "play music."
post #12195 of 17940
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

That's what bridge mode is. Instead of being a wireless access point and creating a wireless network, bridge mode means it will act as a wireless client and create a wired network.

no... if you read his post, that is not what he wants to do...

he should not be running the ax in bridge mode to do this...
post #12196 of 17940
He has an existing wireless network, but doesn't want to run ethernet to his Denon. He wants to use a WiFi bridge to connect the ethernet port of his Denon to the existing wireless network.

Am I misreading something?
post #12197 of 17940
Thread Starter 
ok, it's time for the OP to clear this up...

BEERON - what are you trying to do?

1. use the Airport Express to provide internet access to the AVR? (i.e. as a wireless bridge) and then stream Airplay to the AVR directly?

2. the AVR already has internet access some other way, and you want to use the AX to stream Airplay music?
post #12198 of 17940
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

He has an existing wireless network, but doesn't want to run ethernet to his Denon. He wants to use a WiFi bridge to connect the ethernet port of his Denon to the existing wireless network.

Am I misreading something?

That's what I read.
post #12199 of 17940
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeron View Post

Looking to purchase the Apple Airport Express to play music through Airplay to my 2112ci. From what I've been reading, you plug the Airport into the wall, which receives your computers wireless signal from somewhere else in the house, and then run an ethernet cable from the Airport into the Denon receiver.

Is this correct, and are any other cables necessary? I noticed the Airport has and USB and audio jack as well, so I'm a little confused what these are for.

Thanks in advance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

He has an existing wireless network, but doesn't want to run ethernet to his Denon. He wants to use a WiFi bridge to connect the ethernet port of his Denon to the existing wireless network.

Am I misreading something?

yes... you are missing reading what he asked...
post #12200 of 17940
ccotenj, we are reading two different things in Beeron's post. Let's wait for him to clear up his intentions.
post #12201 of 17940
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeron View Post

Looking to purchase the Apple Airport Express to play music through Airplay to my 2112ci. From what I've been reading, you plug the Airport into the wall, which receives your computers wireless signal from somewhere else in the house, and then run an ethernet cable from the Airport into the Denon receiver.

Is this correct, and are any other cables necessary? I noticed the Airport has and USB and audio jack as well, so I'm a little confused what these are for.

Thanks in advance.

That says "wireless bridge" to me.

So a bridge can be had for under $50 and the AX is $100. I know what I'd get to accomplish this task.
post #12202 of 17940
using an ax, he would "airplay" to the ax, not the avr...

he doesn't need a wireless bridge...

geez... this isn't that hard guys...

READ his first post... he wants to use airplay... using an ax, the simplest/best way is the way i described...

of course, what would i know, i've only been doing it this way for years....
post #12203 of 17940
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

ok, it's time for the OP to clear this up...

BEERON - what are you trying to do?

1. use the Airport Express to provide internet access to the AVR? (i.e. as a wireless bridge) and then stream Airplay to the AVR directly?

2. the AVR already has internet access some other way, and you want to use the AX to stream Airplay music?

Thanks everyone for all the replies and assistance. The confusion is exactly why I'm confused too...Apples description isn't very clear of how to set up.

Here's what I'm looking to do in some more detail:

I have a computer upstairs in my office running Itunes. My home theater area is in my basement with the Denon 2112. I would like to be able to play my office pc Itunes library in my basement, and be able to use the Denon app (whether it be on a droid or iphone) to control this music.
post #12204 of 17940
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Originally Posted by Beeron View Post

I have a computer upstairs in my office running Itunes. My home theater area is in my basement with the Denon 2112. I would like to be able to play my office pc Itunes library in my basement, and be able to use the Denon app (whether it be on a droid or iphone) to control this music.

Random idea... wouldn't a $99 Apple TV via HDMI to the Denon be the best thing for this? It would do Airplay music and video from the PC, right?

EDIT: of course it wouldn't use the app, and the TV would have to be on. On second thought, it's probably not what he wants. Nevermind.
post #12205 of 17940
Ahhh.

Ultimately I think you can use either the Denon (if hooked up to the home wireless network via a wireless bridge) or the Airport Express (hooked up to the Denon via an audio cable) to play the music.

I'm not sure which is preferable. I do know that if you get the Airport Express you can use it in bridge/client mode and do both. Your Denon will have network access if you hook it up to the ethernet port on the AX, allowing you to use the Denon app, and you can also hook up the AX via an optical connection.

Someone else will correct me if I'm wrong about any of that. I'm not overly familiar with the Denon network options or with AirPlay.
post #12206 of 17940
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

Random idea... wouldn't a $99 Apple TV via HDMI to the Denon be the best thing for this? It would do Airplay music and video from the PC, right?

EDIT: of course it wouldn't use the app, and the TV would have to be on. On second thought, it's probably not what he wants. Nevermind.

lol
post #12207 of 17940
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeron View Post


Thanks everyone for all the replies and assistance. The confusion is exactly why I'm confused too...Apples description isn't very clear of how to set up.

Here's what I'm looking to do in some more detail:

I have a computer upstairs in my office running Itunes. My home theater area is in my basement with the Denon 2112. I would like to be able to play my office pc Itunes library in my basement, and be able to use the Denon app (whether it be on a droid or iphone) to control this music.

But is your receiver already networked or not?

If it is you don't need airport express because the receive has AirPlay built in.

It it isn't, and you are trying to se the AX to provide Internet to the AVR, then you need to use the AX in bridge mode as discussed above.

The AX is a little confusing because it can be set up different ways. The question is whether you will using it as an audio portal or as an Internet
portal?
post #12208 of 17940
Oh, and yes - if you just want to get your Denon networked and use the Denon app, you can use any Wifi bridge. There are many that are cheaper than the Airport Express. You can get a TP-Link model from NewEgg for $30.
post #12209 of 17940
IEEE 802.11b/g/n Up to 150Mbps wireless access point ~ $30 with code EMCNEJB92 at newegg. Save yourself $70.

The AX says 802.11n but doesn't indicate the speed. This one is 150Mbs which will be fine for music but may not be enough to stream HD Movies if you ever go with a streamer or HTPC to do that.
post #12210 of 17940
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

IEEE 802.11b/g/n Up to 150Mbps wireless access point ~ $30 with code EMCNEJB92 at newegg. Save yourself $70.

The AX says 802.11n but doesn't indicate the speed. This one is 150Mbs which will be fine for music but may not be enough to stream HD Movies if you ever go with a streamer or HTPC to do that.

That's a great price. I use that exact unit as an AP in my apartment. Works great.
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