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post #12331 of 17933
5/19/12 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

All you need to do is to connect the HK IR to the back of your 2312 and tape the eye emitters to other devices. The eye emitter is for device that does not have the remote in input. Your 2312 has this which allows a cleaner look connection. If your HK IR still works, use it, why buy the Harmony extender? The Next Generation product from Amazon is an excellent product and cheaper than the Harmony if you should need one.

Thanks! Right now I have an eye taped to front of AVR 635 (don't know what happened to cable to connect to IR in on back of unit). Question - the Logitech unit does not have eyes that can be taped to the front of components, but 'blasters' that sit in front of components. Will the blasters work as well as the eyes that are stuck to the front of units?
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post #12332 of 17933
5/19/12 at 3:44pm
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you can use any 3.5mm audio cable other wise eye emitter is ok. The Next Gen does the same thing for less than Logitec
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post #12333 of 17933
5/19/12 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not unless the firmware update wipes out the Audyssey settings, which it generally does not.

How do I find out if the update process has wiped out (or not) the settings?
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post #12334 of 17933
5/19/12 at 4:33pm
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If you can select Audssey, the settings are still there.
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post #12335 of 17933
5/19/12 at 4:38pm
Select it where? Sorry for being dense.
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post #12336 of 17933
5/19/12 at 4:47pm
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See p. 98 in your Owner's manual.
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post #12337 of 17933
5/19/12 at 5:01pm
Thanks. I hate the Owner's manual layout. Items are all laid out all over the place .. not in the logical sequence as one would use it. IMO.

Any way to turn the dynamic volume off (and on) easily without going deep into the menu's?
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post #12338 of 17933
5/19/12 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

This is a common misconception. The surrounds need to be able to deliver just as high a sound level with just as good sound quality as any of the other speakers. While most movies don't use the surround channels much, some use them extensively. Similarly, while most multichannel music is presented as if the listener were in the audience, with only ambient sounds coming from the surround channels, some (especially titles oriented toward musicians) are designed so that the instrumentalists surround the listener on all sides.

I don't think it is a common misconception or misconception at all. I think most people are just saying what you are saying, more or less, that "most.........don't use the surround channels much.....". So for the most part, most people probably don't see the need to have the same power output for the surround speakers except for situations where money is no object, i.e. no compromise needed. In that case, sure, have equal power and top quality speakers for all 7 channels.
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post #12339 of 17933
5/19/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by tvuong View Post

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you can use any 3.5mm audio cable other wise eye emitter is ok. The Next Gen does the same thing for less than Logitec

Thanks. Next Gen is $41. Logitech is $50. $9 doesn't justify one over the other and looking at the two, the Logitech just looks to be better quality. Correct me if I am wrong.
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post #12340 of 17933
5/19/12 at 6:00pm
Monoprice 'high speed' HDMI cables 3' for $2.50 each as good or better than $30 in store cables?
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post #12341 of 17933
5/19/12 at 6:00pm
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Monoprice 'high speed' HDMI cables 3' for $2.50 each as good or better than $30 in store cables?

Yes.
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post #12342 of 17933
5/19/12 at 6:05pm
Hey guys i just jumped in with the new 1312 avr, and i admit i am totally lost. How do i know which decibels to choose for my speaker set up.....plz help. There is so much to this set up i could use some direction. I purchased this receiver with boston acoustic speakers. If it helps i am in a room about 16x30........thank you.
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post #12343 of 17933
5/19/12 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

Thanks. I hate the Owner's manual layout. Items are all laid out all over the place .. not in the logical sequence as one would use it. IMO.

Any way to turn the dynamic volume off (and on) easily without going deep into the menu's?

If you have a Harmony remote, older models (like the AVR-2311) had a dyn eq/vol button that can be programmed in. If you have access to a 2nd remote, you can download the older device and then teach your Harmony the code. Otherwise, you need to add a 2nd "dummy" device to have the code.

With the standard XX12 remote, I don't think there is a way.
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post #12344 of 17933
5/19/12 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by larkowski1 View Post

If you have a Harmony remote, older models (like the AVR-2311) had a dyn eq/vol button that can be programmed in. If you have access to a 2nd remote, you can download the older device and then teach your Harmony the code. Otherwise, you need to add a 2nd "dummy" device to have the code.

With the standard XX12 remote, I don't think there is a way.

That's too bad. I think this is something one would turn on and off, depending on the time of day that one is using the system ...

I have a Harmony 300 that is very basic and controls only 4 devices .. my BD player, Dish DVR, PS3 and the 2312ci. No room for a dummy device.

Oh well ...
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post #12345 of 17933
5/20/12 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by game boy View Post

Hey guys i just jumped in with the new 1312 avr, and i admit i am totally lost. How do i know which decibels to choose for my speaker set up.....plz help. There is so much to this set up i could use some direction. I purchased this receiver with boston acoustic speakers. If it helps i am in a room about 16x30........thank you.

As the 1312 does not come with a mic, you would be better served if you purchase a SPL meter (eg. Radio Shack) which you would place on a camera tripod at the main listening position (ear height). Then using the AVR, play the 75 db test tones for each speaker and adjust each speaker db setting up/down as required so they all read close to 75db (noting there's a +/-2db error rate in the mic). Without a SPL meter you would have to do this by ear sitting at the main listening position.
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post #12346 of 17933
5/20/12 at 1:13am
Phantom center channel?

I don't have a center and on my old yamaha I would just set it to phantom. I want to run 5.1 minus the center so I guess that would be 4.1, is there any way to do this on the denon 1712?

edit: I do have a center but it's low quality compared to my klipsch towers.
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post #12347 of 17933
5/20/12 at 1:22am
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Either set the center channel to NONE or simply run AUTO SETUP which will set it for you. Ideally the center channel should be as good as or better quality then the front main speakers if TV/movies make up the majority of your listening.
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post #12348 of 17933
5/20/12 at 2:11am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

That's too bad. I think this is something one would turn on and off, depending on the time of day that one is using the system ...

I have a Harmony 300 that is very basic and controls only 4 devices .. my BD player, Dish DVR, PS3 and the 2312ci. No room for a dummy device.

Oh well ...

Perhaps you can use another Harmony in another room? Or you can also use the AVR's Quick Select buttons, using one with Dyn Vol ON for a device and one with Dyn Vol OFF for the same device (as it it input source specific).
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post #12349 of 17933
5/20/12 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by Afroteddy View Post

I have and use the SiruisXM app but it doesn't stream to the receiver by itself does it?? I thought I needed a secondary app running too.

What about using EyeC with the SiriusXM app?

Another option would be using one of the bluetooth adapters suggested in item 5(f) in post #3 linked in my sig.
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post #12350 of 17933
5/20/12 at 3:50am
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Well, evertything was honky dory with my 1912, until today. I tried the airplay feature, and it worked great. Sometimes it would hang up, the connection, but i know that happens.

But no i can't play my music from my andorid like i used to.

I have the Imedia lite app, it was working great, now my AVR recognizes my phone, but my phone doesn't recognize the AVR, it won't see it, any ideas?

I installed the Imedia lite app on my wife's phone, suppose that has nothing to do with it?

No my phne sees the 1912 but when i try to play a file it says "an error has ocurred". anyone?
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post #12351 of 17933
5/20/12 at 3:58am
It should be, IMO.
If I have the volume cranked up, regardless of the "time of day", it implies that I am not concerned about disturbing others. Maybe it is a party, or I'm watching a movie with my family or I'm alone or whatever.
However, if the volume is set low, then the softer passages need some boosting to be audible ...
I am thinking of turning this feature off. Not worth the hassle, with it being set for each source separately, not easy to adjust or turn off/on.
In general, it is better to avoid anything that tampers with the original intent of the movie and music makers, IMO.
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post #12352 of 17933
5/20/12 at 4:21am
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Dynamic Volume attempts to even out the volume based on the master volume you set, boosting the softer dialog and compressing the louder explosions, which is why it's great for TV commercials and late night viewing. If volume is not an issue, then sure, set it to OFF. Also, Dyn EQ boosts the bass/surround audio at volume levels below 0db to more closely match what the mixer heard at 0db which is why you'll want to leave it ON at all times.
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post #12353 of 17933
5/20/12 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by jon777 View Post

So I've been trying to a couple of weeks to download updated firmware for my 2112ci, and I get the Connection failed:25 message. Have tried:
- Microprocessor Reset
- Firmware Reset
- Going directly to the modem (no router)
- Taken to a different ISP (I am on Comcast, tried In Laws AT&T DSL)

According to the firmware log, the update is supposed to fix the "Connection Failed: 25" issue, which basically means if I have this issue, no way to get it fixed other than sending it into the service center. I know if I call Denon, the message will be "don't bother, unless there is a problem". So far, this is the only problem I have (Pandora and Airplay seem to work fine, which is my primary usage).

So should I just disable the update notification and forget about it? Anything else to try, or look for. The update is supposed to fix other network connectivity issues -- although I haven't seen any to date, may just be that I am new to the device...

Thoughts appreciated...

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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If you are located near a repair facility and don't mind being without your unit for a week, then drop it off and have the facililty update it for you while it's still under warranty. It might even be possible for you to drop it off and pick it up the same day depending on their workload so talk to them and see what you can schedule.

Unfortunately I believe am nowhere hear a facility (am in South Florida). So should I just disable the update notification and forget about it? Anything else to try, or look for. The update is supposed to fix other network connectivity issues -- although I haven't seen any to date, may just be that I am new to the device...
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post #12354 of 17933
5/20/12 at 5:56am
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Your choice if you choose to just ignore it. Although, how far south? Checking Denon's website of authorized repair facilities, there are several in central/south Florida ... the closest being ..


Electronic Laboratory, Inc.
1301 West Copans Road
Suite A4
Pompano Beach, FL 33064 United States
Tel.: (954) 969-2855
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post #12355 of 17933
5/20/12 at 6:08am
I have a Denon 2112CI and have been doing alot of reading of the forum. I had an idea and tried it this morning.
When I first ran Audyssey,I had the mic on the tripod pointed towrds the ceiling. This morning I ran it with the mic pointed forward. WOW what a difference. The settings are alot closer than before. The distances and levels are more accurate. It actually sounded muffled before but now everything sounds more balanced.

Here is my setup:

Panasonic ST50
Panasonic BDT110 Bluray player
XBox 360
Wii
Denon 2112ci
Emp E55TI's for mains
Emp E56CI for center
Emp E5TI as surrounds
AND NOW A HSU VTF15H
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post #12356 of 17933
5/20/12 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by avman09 View Post

I don't think it is a common misconception or misconception at all. I think most people are just saying what you are saying, more or less, that "most.........don't use the surround channels much.....". So for the most part, most people probably don't see the need to have the same power output for the surround speakers except for situations where money is no object, i.e. no compromise needed. In that case, sure, have equal power and top quality speakers for all 7 channels.

Some very popular movies put a lot of power into the surround channels. If you've explicitly chosen low power amps for those channels, clipping could potentially damage the speakers. The cannonades in Master and Commander are an example.

On the speaker quality front, I was watching/listening to the BD of Peter Gabriel's New Blood concert last night. About half of the time, the women doing the backup vocals were only in the surround channels. (The applause was quite loud, too, and that has a lot of high-frequency content. See my previous comment.) Most of the time the orchestra was in the front, though, except for the occasional "special effect". (What is that little box called, anyhow?)
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post #12357 of 17933
5/20/12 at 6:16am
hey guys, just had to trip a breaker and it happened to be one that my subwoofer is on. I flipped it back on and now my powered subwoofer will not turn on. any suggestions. thx
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post #12358 of 17933
5/20/12 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Osamede View Post

The differences can be marginal or nothing depending on your situation.

Basically the scenario where the 2x price of 4311 pays off is that you:
- play a lot of 2 channel music
- AND in a large room
- AND you have significant room issues.

Otherwise you'll struggle to find a difference, as the amplification quality (ie number of clean undistorted watts available) in both is pretty close if operating 5 channels and is exactly the same if operating 7 channels.

And at that I'm is taking it on faith that there is a noticeable difference in XT32 vs XT. But frankly even themselves do not provide a single shred of data that says "we blind tested -- number of people and x% perceived XT32 to deliver significantly better sound". Such tests would be fairly simple to rig up. So that absence is for me personally a major red flag, as it suggests no statistically significant benefit was found, since you KNOW they did test. You wouldn't develop such a product, have such findings existing in your favour and.....sit on the info. .

So if you have the money to blow, sure why not get the 4311 - it may nit be better, but probably it can't be worse. But personally I'd take the saving and invest toward better speakers or a better subwoofer, which will likely outlast both of these receivers anyway.

a) i have a small room...
b) i don't have "significant room issues"... at least not ones that EVERYONE does not have (i.e. room modes)*...
c) many of us have posted hard evidence (i.e. measurements/graphs) that show the efficacy of xt32...
d) although i do listen to a lot of 2 channel music, my room does not care that it is being fed music or a movie...

sorry, but you are "assuming"... which isn't a good idea...

hint: it doesn't matter "how good" your subwoofer is... as soon as you put it in a room, it needs eq... that is a given, not a guess...

second hint: i think my distaste for pure subjective "reports" is well known. i would not proselytize a product based on subjectivity... i don't take anything "on faith"...

* damn few have perfect rooms, especially when it comes to modes...
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post #12359 of 17933
5/20/12 at 6:27am
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Originally Posted by rwe416 View Post

When I first ran Audyssey,I had the mic on the tripod pointed towrds the ceiling. This morning I ran it with the mic pointed forward.

It has often been reiterated in the Audyssey thread that the software and microphone are designed to work with the microphone pointed vertically, with no tilt. There was a long argument recently when someone reported that tilting it toward the front produced results that he liked better. It came down to the vertical orientation producing more accurate results, but personal preference can desire other results.

Bear in mind that subwoofers, for example, which include any processing should be measured as being farther away than their physical distances due to the time delay needed for the audio signal to get through their circuitry. If that delay isn't compensated for, low frequencies from the sub may be significantly out of phase with the same sound coming from the main speakers. That can cause undesirable audio effects.
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post #12360 of 17933
5/20/12 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by game boy View Post

hey guys, just had to trip a breaker and it happened to be one that my subwoofer is on. I flipped it back on and now my powered subwoofer will not turn on. any suggestions. thx

Do you mean that its power switch does nothing or that it doesn't power on automatically when it receives an audio signal?

My paranoia suggests that whatever caused the breaker to trip may have put spikes on the power line that could have damaged your sub. Or that the sub failing was what caused the trip.

My optimism suggests that unplugging the sub for a while (ETA: at least 30 seconds) might fix its problem or that it might be something as simple as a blown fuse in the sub.
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