The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 413

The sub distance was set farther than it actually is. When I ran it before the center channel was really quiet. This time everything sounds more even across the front and I did not have to adjust any of the volume levels. I may run it again vertically and compare the settings. There has been some small changes to the furniture arrangement that has probably affected the results.

Ran the auto setup again and the results were a little different. It set the speaker distance from 9.1 to 9.4 and the channel levels changes by +1 db.
Sound just as good. The furniture issue,from before,seems to have been the problem. We had a huge leather ottoman that sat in the middle of the room Now it is gone.

I have learned so much from this forum and I appreciate all the help.
This hobby is addicting and alot of from.

Anyone have any luck finding a smart power strip with only 1 or 2 switching outlets? I don't want all my 'stuff' completely shutting off whenever I shut off the AVR or TV. I want as many 'hot' outlets as possible and only actually need 1 switched outlet for a cooling fan I have installed. Any suggestions appreciated. I don't think completely powering off PS3/AVR/TV is good for the equipment.

I'd love to have hard evidence too. But clearly Audyssey has none to offer. Or maybe none favourable. I don't know. But the absence of data from both Audyssey and Denon concerns me.

If this is supposedly a differentiating factor on two products, you'd think Denon & Audyssey would provide something concrete, rather than vague secretive technobabble about multiples of filters.

Buyers posting charts is honestly about at useful as me posting dairy entries after purchasing an expensive bottle of wine. Guess what I'd say in the average entry..."best wine I've ever had"! As borne out by studies.

What's needed is controlled third party blind tests of users to tell us what the statistical outcome was in listener perception of music played with no room correction, with XT, with XT32, etc.

Anyone who understands data knows that. It's basic scientific practice. No point banging on at me about it. It's up to Audyssey and Denon to provide that. All else is pure noise. Or marketing. Call it what you will.

If you click on the link in my post you quoted, you'll note that particular smart power strip has (6) switched outlets and (3) hot outlets (red).

the bolded part is incorrect... if you "understood data and basic scientific practice", you'd grasp why it's incorrect...

you can continue to make your lack of understanding more obvious, or you can stop beating your drum... that's entirely up to you...

So you disagree that blind testing is required to ensure listeners can tell them apart and or determine a preference? I know in my den I have tried EQ, MultEQ and MultEQ XT and with each engaged I couldn't hear a uniqueness that I could assign to one of its variations. 99.99% sure I couldn't even pick which receiver was which even with my sight. So I guess you don't have to be blinded.

I guess to a large extent it goes back to is a difference an actual difference if one can't hear it. How else does one prove one can?

I believe u have it backwards. It is showing 6 switched outlets and three hot outlets. If it was 6 hot and three switched that would work.

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Oops! You are correct. Read it wrong.

However, if you use a USB fan, you can power it ON/OFF with the USB jack on the front panel.

Hello,
Pround new owner of a 2112ci and after lurking for a while before and after my purchase, I just want to say thanks to everyone for compiling an awesome thread of knowledge (esp. batpig and jdsmooothie).

My question is if i buy a couple of wireless outdoor speakers, am I wrong to assume I can hook them up to the zone 2 pre-outs and then play anything from the receiver, i.e. pandora, itunes through airplay, etc. I'm a newbie to alot of this av stuff so I apologize in advance if the question is silly.

Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

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No you're not wrong, but wireless speakers generally don't provide much power as outdoor speakers. Read the reviews on whatever speakers you are considering to see if they will perform to the sound level you want. Note, however, when passing an Airplay source only, the same source must be selected in the main zone as well (ie. cannot watch a movie in the house and also listen to Airplay on the back patio.

Forgive me if this has been mentioned, but I noticed that the denon remote app has been updated and I'm not sure if it was the update or my system is acting up but I can't control my zone 2 with the app. It doesn't respond to me trying to change source or turn it off. It was working the last time I used it and I left it on tuner, can't get it off of tuner now. I even tried the web control and that would not allow me change anything. Any insight is appreciated.....this would happen when I have guest and I'm trying to show what it can do.

Denon 2112ci
5.1 living setup
Zone 2 in dining room

Hi, First post here. I buy my first Denon yesterday, AVR-3312CI, great features. I'm from NAD t752 so the sound is really different. I will play with my new toy a bit and I'm really happy to find this great forum.. A+

Can't help you with the remote app, however, try putting the AVR in Standby and unplugging it for 10 minutes. If still no joy, reset the microprocessor (see post #5) or p. 129 in your Owner's manual.

I'm getting the 2112 tomorrow and I have a Velodyne SMS-1 sub equalizer. I'm wondering if I should run the 2112's multeq xt and still use the SMS-1 sub equalizer. If so any tips on set up?

Thanks for the feedback. I'm not too concerned with the speaker power for outdoor use, it'll be nice to have some music sitting out on the patio. I do have dreams of an outdoor theater setup, but that's probably a year or two out

Ahhhhh. A USB fan. Didn't think of that. Will that only come on and off when the receiver is on(not in standby mode)? As u can see I am asking all hardware questions in anticipation of 2312CI. Wait till I start setting up once everything is connected!!!

This is my post from this morning. We just watched Thor and the center channel is very weak. It is good during regular tv watching but movies it is hard to hear.

The movie was on bluray with DTS audio. I tried to turn up the center channel level but was still weak. Is there a way to compensate.

This is my set up:

Panasonic ST50
Panasonic BDT110 Bluray player
XBox 360
Wii
Denon 2112ci
Emp E55TI's for mains
Emp E56CI for center
Emp E5TI as surrounds
AND NOW A HSU VTF15H

Run the SMS-1 calibration first. (Presumably you've already done that, though; you should only need to run it again if you've moved furniture around or made other changes in your listening environment.) Then when you run Audyssey's calibration, it'll take it into account (by hearing a nearly flat response) and have that much less work to do. In principle, your sub's output should be more accurate with both EQ's working.

Is you center angled up/down so as to point towards ear height of the main listening position? If inside a cabinet is it pulled out to the edge? If not, reposition and rerun AUTO SETUP.

Yes.

The center is in the open sitting on the top shelf of the entertainment stand. The stand is one that the tv mounts to a bracket and the center sits under the tv. Sitting on the couch,I am looking straight at the center. That is pretty close to ear level. I have it slightly angled up.
I only have the problem when watching movies and the dialogue is soft. On action scenes it is loud and clear.

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also ensure that the speaker is pushed all the way to the front of the stand...

It is all the way to the front. Speakers line up with the edge of the glass it sits on.

Could have just been that particular disk. You also might want to try setting Dyn EQ to -5db and/or setting Dyn Vol to Evening.

How about boosting the dB level of the center?

I went up by 2db but not much change. I did not want to push it to high because during the action scenes it get loud.

I'm just grasping at straws here. Did you by any chance tidy up the room before calibrating and then restore clutter (or rugs and tables) before listening? That would cause audio problems since it wouldn't have done the calibration for your actual listening environment.

Another excuse is that the TV stations you watch might have quite different audio volume characteristics, perhaps with a louder center channel, since they want to make sure you hear the advertisements.

Did you verify that Audyssey's equalization was enabled while watching the disc?

You might try changing between bitstreaming and LPCM in your player. LPCM and bitstreamed DD or DTS might have slightly different volume characteristics. With bitstreaming, the AVR applies dialog normalization (although there shouldn't be any), while with LPCM, the player does it. The results *should* be identical, but maybe the player or the AVR has a decoding bug.

I have dynamic eq on and the reference is at 10db.

Nothing has changed in the living room. I have noticed that the low volume is worse with DTS and not as bad with Dolby D.