The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 416

Thank you for the quick response. As far as checking the speakers. I checked them with an ohm meter. I know that wont tell me everything but I was able to tell they weren't "shorted" .. I also used the Ohm meter to check the cables. Now, mind you, this was with my older Polk front speakers. I have since bought new Klipsch front's and still the same problem. I have not eliminated the other three yet so like you suggested, I will hook the front's up with the new 2312 and see how that goes? Then hook up the other three, one at a time? I have no "in wall" wiring, My wires are all new and exposed. I have double and tripple checked the polarity and to make sure no wire is touching anything but the binding post's.

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you have a short somewhere...

and it's unlikely to be in multiple consecutive receivers...

re-check everything again, and follow the test procedure jd suggested... i KNOW you've checked everything, but it has happened on occasion that a "second check" finds something that was missed...

Noob question to the group, I always thought a short would cause the receiver to go into protect mode immediately. Could someone explain how a short would cause an AVR to shut down after a while? Is the idea that something isn't permanently shorted but just kinda loose and randomly shorting occasionaly?

How do the Dac's,l Dsp boards, and analog input stages compare between the 3312 and the 4311? I am just curious. Thinking about picking up a 3312 but might wait a few months and save up for the 4311.

Also, a very important question, what does the 3312 go for these days with the 3313 almost ready to be rolled out? What about a used price on the 3312?

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in all likelihood, indistinguishable in a controlled test...

sorry, this isn't a pricing thread, but if you pick up the phone and "call" the usual suspects, you can get the price...

Thanks Chris. I will do that. While waiting on the 2312 would ordering and installing banana plugs be beneficial? If so, Any recommendations, where and what to get for Monster cable, 16 Gauge?
The first receiver, the 891, never had this issue. It was never played loud or got hot when it shut down. In fact, when it shut down it wouldn't re-start. It would just flash red. The last 2 receivers, both 981's get extremely hot and shut down but re-start after a minute of cooling down. Thanks for the help guy's.

In the case of a single wire strand from one post touching another post, increasing the volume beyond a certain point will provide enough current to trip the protection mode of the AVR.

Ahh, I got ya. Makes sense. Thanks jd.

As I was replacing my receiver last weekend, I praised that day years ago that I took the time to hook up banana plugs. Literally - I thanked myself out loud.

Someday, down the road, you'll be glad you did.

You don't need to waste your money on expensive Monster cables. Forum sponsor Monoprice is a good source for speaker wire and banana plugs.

Just curious, how do you plan to power the 12V, 120mm fans??

During the first hour of last nights House finale entitled "Swan Song" the audio through my 1912 (Audussey set) was beyound chaotic. Dialogue was too low, music too loud and overpowering. Surprisingly, commericals were perfect. This drove me crazy! My wife theorized while this special had horrid Dolby Digital the actual final eposoide would be just fine. She was absolutely correct!

The thing that bothers me so much is if we used just our 2012 Sony HX750's crappy speakers the audio would be stable. Technology sure sucks every now and again.

installing banana plugs can't hurt, but they are far from "necessary"... personally i like the gls safe connect ones, they are inexpensive in bulk...

don't buy monster cable... it's grossly overpriced... go to your local big box store and buy 14 gauge zip cord (or lamp cord, it doesn't matter)...

With a 12V wall wart I have from some sort of electronics device that has outlived it's usefullness. I might even put a thermistor in the circuit so they only come on when the temp in the cabinet rises above 85F or something.

It sounded perfect to me on the 2312ci. Have you run Audyssey yet?

Yes I have.

Maybe boost your center channel a few dB?

Also, do you have DoblyDigital PLIIx set to matrix out the sound?

Boosting the center helped with the dialog a bit but the music was still far too loud. I do not understand what you mean about "matrix out the sound". Both broadcasts were in DD 5.1.

Dyn Vol set to also set to evening. I reset it to day and got little to no improvement. I have not adjusted the offset. Isn't that setting for equalizing TV and BD audio?

See previous posts. The problem is with the Iphone series (4/4S) using Airplay with the 2312Ci. If you simply turn off the amp or pause the app( Sirius, Rhapsody, Pandora, etc ), the next time you connect you will get the Airplay Speaker not Available error. I spoke with Denon tech. The solution, to prevent getting the Airplay Speaker Not Available when you re-connect is to make sure you uncheck the Airplay icon on your iphone then turn off the amplifier. It will reconnect with Airplay the next time without a problem.

I usually just by bypass the Wizard and do the setup with manual measurement of the speaker distances. Had a rainy day, so I dragged out the microphone and did the guided Audyssey, 8 positions.( would you believe the phone rang right in the middle of one of the measurements!!). I have to say I am really impressed. It really works and creates a very nice listening experience. Realism is the word that comes to mind. It presents the sound quite nicely. I did go back in and change the speakers to small and raised the crossover from 40 to 80. I have 2 powered sub-woofers and I like to have a little more bass in my music. I am using it primarily for music right now. Now I have to figure out how to save the settings to a file. I'll dig a little.

The way I understand, Audyssey's dynamic volume and EQ adjust for the volume level of the receiver, not the actual level of the source material. That's why the offset setting exists - movies are mixed for a different level than TV. If the offset is wrong, the frequency response will be dynamically adjusted for a different volume setting.

I hate to seem so dense yet how do I determine were to set the offset?

For TV viewing it should be I think 10. At 0 I think you won't get enough correction in TV and at 10 you'll get too much in movies.

Read this: https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries...eference-level

Thanks. Based on your statement how does one handle watching TV movies? Go zeo out the reference level?

I dunno, I think it depends on how the movie is mixed and broadcast. I'd probably keep it at 10 unless either:

1) I was watching a feature film on a movie network like HBO, or
2) I thought that whatever I was watching had too little bass and surround volume, in which case dropping the offset to 0 should help.

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#2 is the other way around... if surrounds/bass too much, INCREASE the rlo...

Ah, you're right. It can get confusing.