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post #12811 of 17927
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

Dumb question:

I know this has been answered in this forum before but..

I Have a 1912

If i watch TV or any other source (Google TV, Internet radio, etc) and i select the following: Dolby Digital, DTS Neo:6, Dolby Pro Logic in the audio output option i only get audio from the center speaker; if i select Multi Channel In or Multi Channel stereo i get sound from all speakers (fronts, center and surrounds) , but it's the same signla from the fl/fr speaker.

'Am i doing something wrong? i thought if you selected The Dolby Digital or Dolby Pro Logic you could still get sound from all speakers.

So in order to get sound from all speakers i have to use the Multi Channel stereo option?

'am i correct or just haven't tweaked it enough yet?

Something is wrong somewhere .... reset the microprocessor (p. 125) and start the setup over again.
post #12812 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Something is wrong somewhere .... reset the microprocessor (p. 125) and start the setup over again.

You shure? am i suppose to hear all the speakers in all the formats? what's Multi channel for then?
post #12813 of 17927
Got my 2312CI hooked up today and thus far I am VERY impressed. The two channel stereo via Pandora is WAY fuller and richer than my old HK AVR 635. Dolby Digital also sounds much fuller and richer as well. And I have not even run Audyssey yet!!! One question. I plugged our Wii into the DVD component in and the DVD audio in and can't figure out how to assign the source. Assigning sources for the DVR and PS3 were easy because they are HDMI. Can't figure out how to assign non HDMI sources. Thanks!! Can't wait to run Audyssey and watch my test scene (Matrix helicopter scene) to see how it sounds compared to old HK.
post #12814 of 17927
I connected my MLT-2 speakers with 2312. I ran Audussey AUTO SETUP and calibrated all the speakers/SW for 8 positions. Updated the Firmware yesterday without any issues. I set all the speakers to SMALL.

I connected my Laptop to 2312 using HDMI/HDMI V-AUX [2312] front panel and watched TROY movie. I have set Dyn Vol to MED. For better sound, I increased the sound upto 0 dB. I thought I can get better sound with 45dB atleast. Also SW is not that boomy.

Am I doing mistake somewhere in configurations? Please let me know if I need to change some settings.

Thanks, Raj
post #12815 of 17927
Hello guys. Sorry for slipping this question in here. I had posted the question in the speakers forum but nobody responded. It might have been answered before, specifically because people have had their speakers blown out or their receivers cut off. My situation is a little different.

I recently bought my Denon AVR 1712 and am waiting for my RC Micros to be delivered to me. The Denon is rated from 6-16 ohms and I believe the Micros are 8, so they match.

However, while waiting, I borrowed a friends HTIB speakers to give the AVR a test run. A realized a day later that the speakers were @ 4 ohms. The speakers were working well the entire time and to this moment sound great. The receiver doesn't seem to be heating up. But I noticed that my receiver wasn't exactly co-operating. At times it would not play sound when I started up my PS3, or wouldn't recognize audio/video through some HDMI ports. Sometimes turning the power on and off would fix everything. I did a hard reset, but now I have to reset the remote to open the GUI almost every time I change inputs, and audio doesn't always play when HDMI pass through is activated.

My question is, can a receiver be damaged before it is forced to shut off (by what I assume would be an overheat). And would overloading a receiver cause these finicky complications or is it a defective receiver? Has anyone had these problems before?

TL;DR: Don't know if pairing 4 ohm speakers with 8 ohm receiver messed up my receiver, because audio is fine, but receiver is reacting strangely.
post #12816 of 17927
Amazon has the 3312ci for $736.29 by World Wide Stereo which I believe is an authorized dealer. Is this a good price considering the 3313 is just around the corner?
post #12817 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Which one is preferred only you can decide.

Cool. I didn't know if there was a "right" or a "wrong" way to go about it. Thanks.
post #12818 of 17927
Buy.com has it for $697.99
post #12819 of 17927
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Originally Posted by QuiGonJosh View Post

Cool. I didn't know if there was a "right" or a "wrong" way to go about it. Thanks.

A lot of folks wonder the same thing. As is the case with most AVR settings, it's personal preference that matters, not what others prefer.
post #12820 of 17927
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Originally Posted by adwa View Post

Amazon has the 3312ci for $736.29 by World Wide Stereo which I believe is an authorized dealer. Is this a good price considering the 3313 is just around the corner?

Likely yes as the 3313CI will be selling closer to MSRP for a little while and yes, WWS is an authorized reseller so the warranty would be valid.

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Originally Posted by sytyguy View Post

Buy.com has it for $697.99

As it turns out, WWS is the seller on Buy.com as well, so this would indeed be the better buy.
post #12821 of 17927
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Originally Posted by BrTalip View Post

Hello guys. Sorry for slipping this question in here. I had posted the question in the speakers forum but nobody responded. It might have been answered before, specifically because people have had their speakers blown out or their receivers cut off. My situation is a little different.

I recently bought my Denon AVR 1712 and am waiting for my RC Micros to be delivered to me. The Denon is rated from 6-16 ohms and I believe the Micros are 8, so they match.

However, while waiting, I borrowed a friends HTIB speakers to give the AVR a test run. A realized a day later that the speakers were @ 4 ohms. The speakers were working well the entire time and to this moment sound great. The receiver doesn't seem to be heating up. But I noticed that my receiver wasn't exactly co-operating. At times it would not play sound when I started up my PS3, or wouldn't recognize audio/video through some HDMI ports. Sometimes turning the power on and off would fix everything. I did a hard reset, but now I have to reset the remote to open the GUI almost every time I change inputs, and audio doesn't always play when HDMI pass through is activated.

My question is, can a receiver be damaged before it is forced to shut off (by what I assume would be an overheat). And would overloading a receiver cause these finicky complications or is it a defective receiver? Has anyone had these problems before?

TL;DR: Don't know if pairing 4 ohm speakers with 8 ohm receiver messed up my receiver, because audio is fine, but receiver is reacting strangely.

No, the speakers didn't cause this issue. In fact, Denon AVRs can power 4Ω speakers just fine at average volume levels. Note that the "AMP" button must be pressed before pressing the "MENU" button to get the AVR GUI to display. Try using other HDMI inputs as well as swapping out the cables, otherwise you may want to exchange the AVR.
post #12822 of 17927
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Originally Posted by rajkumark View Post

I connected my MLT-2 speakers with 2312. I ran Audussey AUTO SETUP and calibrated all the speakers/SW for 8 positions. Updated the Firmware yesterday without any issues. I set all the speakers to SMALL.

I connected my Laptop to 2312 using HDMI/HDMI V-AUX [2312] front panel and watched TROY movie. I have set Dyn Vol to MED. For better sound, I increased the sound upto 0 dB. I thought I can get better sound with 45dB atleast. Also SW is not that boomy.

Am I doing mistake somewhere in configurations? Please let me know if I need to change some settings.

Thanks, Raj

Average listening volume for movies is usually -20db to -10db. Note that what you're hearing now is what the mixer intended and not likely the sub boominess from an older receiver. Try listening for a few weeks to see if you can adjust to this "new" sound, and if not, use the remote "CH Level" button and simply bump up the sub volume a few db to suit your preference.
post #12823 of 17927
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Got my 2312CI hooked up today and thus far I am VERY impressed. The two channel stereo via Pandora is WAY fuller and richer than my old HK AVR 635. Dolby Digital also sounds much fuller and richer as well. And I have not even run Audyssey yet!!! One question. I plugged our Wii into the DVD component in and the DVD audio in and can't figure out how to assign the source. Assigning sources for the DVR and PS3 were easy because they are HDMI. Can't figure out how to assign non HDMI sources. Thanks!! Can't wait to run Audyssey and watch my test scene (Matrix helicopter scene) to see how it sounds compared to old HK.

Unlike the HDMI and component video inputs, the analog audio inputs are NOT assignable so you must use the source name of the input's label. The COMP1 and COMP2 input assignments can be changed using the INPUT ASSIGN table just as with the HDMI inputs; however, the COMP1 input defaults to DVD so no change required there, but change the HDMI input to NONE for the DVD source.
post #12824 of 17927
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Originally Posted by Szeppelin75 View Post

You shure? am i suppose to hear all the speakers in all the formats? what's Multi channel for then?

Unless you're using STEREO. "MULT CH IN" means the source device (eg. Blu Ray player) is decoding the compressed DD/DTS audio and passing it to the AVR as PCM rather than "bitstream" which would display on the AVR front panel display as DD/DTS.
post #12825 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Unless you're using STEREO. "MULT CH IN" means the source device (eg. Blu Ray player) is decoding the compressed DD/DTS audio and passing it to the AVR as PCM rather than "bitstream" which would display on the AVR front panel display as DD/DTS.

O.K., dumb me, no need to reset the microprocessor.

I got all speakers to work, fact is they were working all the time, just needed to understand all these "surround" formats.

For Internet radio/Ipod/tuner i tried the Dolby Music, Neo 6 DTS formats and i could hear music comming out from all speakers, so all fine, but.. i kind of liked the Multi Ch Stereo option in those particular sources, so i left it like it was.

For Blu Ray, i left it in Dolby PLII Cinema, and i like it, i can hear sound from all speakers, of course main dialog coming from center speakers and the rest of the sound mix (music, fx) coming to all the other speakers.

Now for TV, 'am still figuring everything out, i kid of like Dolby Digital MUSIC better than say Dolby Pro Logic or Cinema, for me the mix and use of all speakers sound better in the Music option, but i still like my old Multi Channel Stereo on my TV, so i am undecided. For me Multi channel stereo makes the most of the room, and i raised my center channel a couple of dBs so, i hear dialogue better.

Still have to try my other input (Google TV), last time i checked it didn't give me any of the Dolby Digital, Cinema or Neo6 DTS option, only Stereo, Multichannel In, Multi Channel ST, Mono Movie and Virtual, but have to tweak it more.

Thanks for your help.

I really dig my 1912.
post #12826 of 17927
Sorry all for posting a reply rather than question, but my access to AVS appears to have changed.
My daughter has 5.1 in the family room, and 2 sets of additional stereo speakers in the kitchen and patio. When all are playing, the stereo sound is annoyingly out of sync (ahead of the 5.1).
We are HDMI connected from comcast and blu-ray to the 3312, and HDMI connected to the tv. I thought I understood that the HDMI wouldn't bring 2 channel for Zone 2, so I also added RCA connections between the input sources and the Denon.
Could you please point me to the solution link, or care to discuss.

Thanks.
post #12827 of 17927
A little 3 zone help for me and my 3312, please.

(And yes, I've gone through the manual and as many posts in this thread as I could.)

I've got the 3312 MAIN setup as 5.1. That's great.

I'd _like_ to setup ZONE 2 with a pair of speakers, powered from the 3312. (I'm aware that means limited source playback if I only use HDMI cables. However, I'm mainly interested in using the network functions of the 3312 to pass sound to the ZONE 2 speakers.) I can do this with speaker wire connected to the speaker posts.

The next step is enabling ZONE 3. That seems to require RCA cables connected to the ZONE 3 Pre-Outs, going to another amp.

Can I enble the Zone 3 pre-outs while powering Zone 2 speakers?

Thanks,
Ken
post #12828 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jackson_foi View Post

Sorry all for posting a reply rather than question, but my access to AVS appears to have changed.
My daughter has 5.1 in the family room, and 2 sets of additional stereo speakers in the kitchen and patio. When all are playing, the stereo sound is annoyingly out of sync (ahead of the 5.1).
We are HDMI connected from comcast and blu-ray to the 3312, and HDMI connected to the tv. I thought I understood that the HDMI wouldn't bring 2 channel for Zone 2, so I also added RCA connections between the input sources and the Denon.
Could you please point me to the solution link, or care to discuss.

Thanks.

Set (p. 92) to "GAME" vice "AUTO".
post #12829 of 17927
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Originally Posted by c3k View Post

The next step is enabling ZONE 3. That seems to require RCA cables connected to the ZONE 3 Pre-Outs, going to another amp.

Can I enble the Zone 3 pre-outs while powering Zone 2 speakers?

Thanks,
Ken

Yes, that is what the Zone 3 pre-outs are designed to do. Connect the Zone 3 pre-outs to a 2CH external amp or 2nd AVR and connect the Zone 3 speakers to that amp or 2nd AVR.
post #12830 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Unlike the HDMI and component video inputs, the analog audio inputs are NOT assignable so you must use the source name of the input's label. The COMP1 and COMP2 input assignments can be changed using the INPUT ASSIGN table just as with the HDMI inputs; however, the COMP1 input defaults to DVD so no change required there, but change the HDMI input to NONE for the DVD source.

Right now I have my PS3 connected to HDMI labeled 'DVD' (because my wife is used to 'DVD' and not 'BD' to watch movies) and my AT&T Uverse box connected to HDMI labeled 'Sat/Cbl'. I currently have Wii connected via COMPONENT to COMPONENT IN labled 'DVD'. Should I connect Wii via COMPONENT to a different COMPONENT IN so it does not conflict with HDMI DVD?
post #12831 of 17927
^^
Leave component video cable at COMP1 and then assign COMP1 to another source name not currently be used that also has a matching analog input which you will then plug the analog audio cables in to.
post #12832 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Likely yes as the 3313CI will be selling closer to MSRP for a little while and yes, WWS is an authorized reseller so the warranty would be valid... As it turns out, WWS is the seller on Buy.com as well, so this would indeed be the better buy.

I just pulled the trigger an a 3312CI... couldn't pass up the price, just under 750 from WWS thru Amazon.
I went with Az because of special financing and they've always done right by me (I love Jeff Bezos!)

For the past couple years I've been running a Denon 790, and I've been happy with the 790 but looking forward, the 3312 will allow greater connectivity. Funny... only recently felt like I now really know how to make the 790 do what I want. I think most of the folks who have been dissatisfied with Denon just don't like their quirkiness. Well I guess I'm accustomed to that! Now I guess I just have to go back and read all 400+ pages of this thread.
post #12833 of 17927
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

Right now I have my PS3 connected to HDMI labeled 'DVD' (because my wife is used to 'DVD' and not 'BD' to watch movies) and my AT&T Uverse box connected to HDMI labeled 'Sat/Cbl'. I currently have Wii connected via COMPONENT to COMPONENT IN labled 'DVD'. Should I connect Wii via COMPONENT to a different COMPONENT IN so it does not conflict with HDMI DVD?

The component ins are assignable so you can leave the Wii's video, it's an issue of where the Wii's audio is connected as the analog audio ports aren't assignable. If you have the Wii's audio connected to the DVD analog audio in, then there is a conflict. You will have to move the Wii to a different input or your DVD player to a different input (which you can assign so you don't have to physically move the HDMI cable if you don't want to).
post #12834 of 17927
I bought my daughter the Denon 1612 and she's pretty happy with it, thinks it sounds better than the older Denon 2803 receiver she was using previously. Must be the Audyssey setup. She owns many of the Apple products to use with this receiver like the Apple TV3, classic iPod, iPhone and iPad 3 so she didn't need the Airplay function available on the higher priced models. All of the Apple gadgets are working flawlessly with the 1612. She was especially happy to see the iPod music listings show up on her HDTV screen when plugged into the USB port on the 1612, a feature she had been looking and hoping for. Her only disappointment (versus my current Denon 2309CI) is the lack of the blue HD light (a minor thing I know) that comes on with the higher bit-rate Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-MA and TrueHD sound formats. I told her that feature ended with the 2010 models but she wonders why. Was it just a cost saving measure or something else?
post #12835 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Leave component video cable at COMP1 and then assign COMP1 to another source name not currently be used that also has a matching analog input which you will then plug the analog audio cables in to.

Thanks. I will assign COMP1 'DOCK' and then move analog audio cables to 'DOCK'.

I have been reading the manual during a meeting (hehehe) and having a hard time finding how to assign COMP1 'DOCK'. Can someone give a page number or a simple step by step?

Also, I assume the only way to switch to 'DOCK' will be to press the 'DOCK' button on the Denon remote. Any way to get it so that when I press the 'GAME 1' button on the remote it will actually switch to COMP1 source? This is probably not possible and will eventually be a mute point as I will be configuring a Harmony with activities like "Watch TV", "PS3 Movie", "Wii", etc. etc. that will select the correct input regardless of what it is 'called'.
post #12836 of 17927
^^
Just bring up the "INPUT ASSIGN" menu (p. 88). RE: GAME1 -- this won't work as there is no GAME1 analog audio jack so your best bet is wait until you get the Harmony.
post #12837 of 17927
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I bought my daughter the Denon 1612 and she's pretty happy with it, thinks it sounds better than the older Denon 2803 receiver she was using previously. Must be the Audyssey setup. She owns many of the Apple products to use with this receiver like the Apple TV3, classic iPod, iPhone and iPad 3 so she didn't need the Airplay function available on the higher priced models. All of the Apple gadgets are working flawlessly with the 1612. She was especially happy to see the iPod music listings show up on her HDTV screen when plugged into the USB port on the 1612, a feature she had been looking and hoping for. Her only disappointment (versus my current Denon 2309CI) is the lack of the blue HD light (a minor thing I know) that comes on with the higher bit-rate Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-MA and TrueHD sound formats. I told her that feature ended with the 2010 models but she wonders why. Was it just a cost saving measure or something else?

Likely a cost saving measure, although if you're close enough to have seen the "blue HD light", you're also likely close enough to see the "bitstream" audio codec being decoded on the front panel display as well.
post #12838 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

... if you're close enough to have seen the "blue HD light", you're also likely close enough to see the "bitstream" audio codec being decoded on the front panel display as well.

What's the saying, "As if !!!!" ?

On my 790 I have a small square corner of a blue post-it note stuck over the magic "blue" LED that everyone covets, because it is so INCREDIBLY BRIGHT that it interferes with comfortable viewing. I've also done the same thing with our twin subs and media players. Something about the blue LED's on just about everything that uses them makes them unusually bright and annoying, much moreso than the red, yellow or green indicators.
post #12839 of 17927
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Just bring up the "INPUT ASSIGN" menu (p. 88). RE: GAME1 -- this won't work as there is no GAME1 analog audio jack so your best bet is wait until you get the Harmony.

Thanks!! I should have just got the HDMI Wii connector. Would have made things much simpler. for now I will reassign COMP1 to DOCK and then plug the analog sound cables into COMP1. When I get the Harmony I will make the activity "Play Wii" switch to COMP1 DOCK and ANALOG DOCK.

Thanks!!
post #12840 of 17927
Does the 2312 work with Windows file sharing (SMB) to stream music? I don't feel like installing DLNA software to stream music from my media server.
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