The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 429

Ok I'm new to Denon and was interested in the AVR-1912. I wanted to pick one up locally in case I had issues. Unfortunately they only had the new model the AVR-1913. I assumed from a review at crutchfield it had Audyssey MultiEQ XT which apparently it doesn't. After reading so many good things about XT now I'm trying to decide if I should return this receiver and get the older model : AVR2312CI. I can't afford the XT32. I'm working with about $600.00 here.

This is for a fairly small room so I'm really not sure how much of a difference XT would make if any. At this point I'm not sure its worth all the hassle.

The only difference I see between the two models is the AVR2312CI has Audyssey MultiEQ XT and a few more watts per channel. Anything I'm missing here?

Suggestions?

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Sorry for the inconvenience. I just spoke with a Crutchfield rep who hopefully will get that splash page changed pronto. You'll likely still be very pleased with the 1913 if you decide to keep it. You can review the differences by first reviewing post #2 in this thread for the 2312CI and then reviewing the info on the 1913 in posts #1 and #2 in the Denon AVR-XX13 Owner's thread. A few differences between them would be:

1913 - Spotify, SiriusXM, Airplay independent to Zone 2, upscales to 1080p/24hz, 2 yr warranty

2312CI - MultEQ XT, Airplay must play to both main and Zone 2, Zone 2 pre-outs, only upscales to 1080p/60hz, 3 yr warranty

Note: The 15W power difference between them would be moot.

You should be able to get the 2312ci for well under $600 right now.

Converting to 24p is a non-issue because just like upscaling creates pixels that don't exist, changing the frame from 60i to 24p, say, creates frames that don't exist in some sort of a pull down scheme.

IMHO, you're better off playing back in the native mode with an HDTV that can handle many refresh rates and resolutions than trying to use some algorythm to change it.

Ecost.com has the 2312CI for $414.99, although it is a reverb, http://www.ecost.com/p/Denon-Consume...ource=EWB11713

Thanks for all the responses! I may get the AVR2312CI or the newer AVR2113CI. I have a couple of weeks to think about it.

I've searched and searched and realize there is no exact answer to my question. Audyssey MultiEQ XT technically does a better job then standard MultiEQ, but apparently the difference is a matter of opinion. Also considering this is a small square room I wonder how big a difference it really could make. I'm afraid if I don't get XT the question will haunt me until my next receiver upgrade time comes along.

I got a NEW 2312 for $499.99 + $29 shipping from Electronics Expo, you just have to call for their best price. Vanns had it for $498.98 and free shipping on memorial day but that sold out fast...

Most likely yes ... not to mention that a "square" room is much less ideal than a rectangular room so the higher version of XT will more likely help more with the EQ process. If you complain to Crutchfield and call them on their error, maybe they'll give you the 2113CI for the same price as the 1913. Worth a call at least.

ok BATPIG-- i am lazy and don't really have a few afternoons to play with the set-up on my new equipment on the way now:

Def Tech SSA 42 and Supercube III Sub to be paired with Denon Avr 2112.

my 50" panny will be on a 48" wall with 4 ' of doorway one side and an enterance alcove on the other side side--this is a short wall in a 12' x 15.5' bedroom. this odd config is why i have the sound bar and likely will have the small super cube in the little alcove.....not great location for sub in small room.

i am really going to need the audessey on the denon to keep things well balanced and clean. Def Tech techies have suggested to not use the audessey because the wiring set-up to create the wide enveloping sound of this sound bar will not work well with the room correction software.

Cnet review by audiophile, steve guttenberg says ok to use BUT don't put in speaker distances--all zeros and set the fronts to zero bd and the rear psuedo-surrounds to + 3 or 4 db. the sound bar has five sets of speaker connecters

any practical suggestions out there? Help would be appreciated!

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Audyssey suggests running as you would with any normal 5.1 setup. Try this first and then try the other "suggested" methods to see which you prefer.

Smooth one--does that mean speaker distances are zero? and three fronts 0 db and two rears set +3db then just run the correction software with mic placements as suggested?

The def tech SSA 42 has all 5 speakers in a 41" bar. the speakers are wired with phase corrections of some sort to create a wider spread on the front three and to push the rear speaker to seem to be out in the middle of the room far4 in front of the three front speakers.

the SSA 42 will be crossed over to the sub at about 100 to 120 hertz

I got my 2312CI for $515 delivered and am very happy with it so far. Have not run Audyssey yet so have not messed with Dynamic EQ or Dynamic Volume and am already please with sound. Pic looks great too!!

I get AirPlay to show up in my iPad and my Denon is identified on the iPad, but what do I do to get the pics/music to go thru the Denon? What 'source' do I select on the Denon or what button do I push on the remote to get AirPlay to work? Can't find info anywhere in manual or answered.

Audyssey has a tough time EQ'ing the sound bar because of the way it creates the surround audio, mixing L/R speaker audio which is why you've got those alternative suggestions to set it up. Suggest you simply follow the procedure listed in your Owner's manual to setup Audyssey using the distance, crossover settings as defined by the AVR. Listen for awhile to get a feel for what it sounds like. Changing any speaker distance, trim level, or crossover level settings BEFORE running Audyssey will just be ignored so you would change these AFTER running Audyssey based on whatever you've read elsewhere. If the audio sounds better with these distance/trim level changes then keep the new settings.

Purchased the Denon AVR-1612. I want to be able to control it with a Dish Network model 21.0 IR/UHF remote (I need to use the Dish remote because my Dish Network VIP-722K receiver is in another room and I therefore need to use the UHF capability of the Dish 21.0 remote).

I've tried all 7 codes that are shown in the Dish remote manual and none of them seem to work. Does anyone know the correct code for the Dish 21.0 remote to make it work with my AVR-1612 receiver?

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If none of the Dish codes work with your remote, then it's likely a no go. Although if the remote is setup in RF mode, it won't work with the IR sensor on the AVR. From the reviews it appears to be a "learning" remote so you may be able to simply teach the Dish remote the Denon remote codes. See your Dish remote's instruction manual.

Thank you JD for your prompt and probably effective reply.

This evening when I had access to the receiver and was expecting glowing reviews I found the receiver locked.

The system reset was undoable, because the receiver wouldn't power itself off with the power button. It just continued to flash green.

If I unplugged the receiver, then quickly turned the power off, I could start the reset, but the display never flashed. It just goes to the assign menu, won't adjust volume or anything else.

I haven't found the kick me here sticker, what do you suggest?

Thanks

I've set up my new 2112 with Audyssey following all instructions on these pages and Audyssey forum. BUT today I just found in another forum another way to set up turning Audyssey off (Yeah I know...). But I would like to know from the gurus here "jdsmoothie" or "batpig" or anybody else if they have ever tried these instructions.
Please take a look at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21756204
Your comments will be much appreciated and it will help to learn even more. Thanks to all.

Cool thanks for the quick reply JD. As I said it's not a big problem, just a bit frustrating thats all. Other then that it works a treat and I'm more then happy. On a side note I'm looking at a 4311 for my other room. Wish I could get at the prices you guys pay though

Unplug the AVR and leave it unplugged for at least 10 minutes. Then power back on while pressing/holding the and buttons for at least 4-5 seconds until the front panel display flashes. If there's still no flashing, then release the buttons and power off. Power back on while pressing/holding and buttons for at least 4-5 seconds until the front panel display flashes.

Louder volume is often perceived as "better audio fidelity" due to the way we hear so simply raise the volume if you prefer. Also note that "reference" volume after doing Audyssey is 85db not 75db which is only the volume of the test tones as 85db would be too loud for most folks, so not much difference from the 83db that guy is trying to achieve.

I have a UK Denon AVR1912 and am very happy with it. But I'm getting an intermittent buzz/hum from the power supply unit. I'm trying to diagnose what might be the cause. My receiver is in an open backed AV cabinet with 3 inches of clearance to the shelf above. I think it must be heat related but I'm not 100% on this. The buzz/hum isn't there when the unit is in standby mode. I've sat listening to internet radio for the last 2 hours with the AV cabinet door closed and the power supply is silent yet the other night after watching a movie the buzz/hum was there. The noise isn't coming through the speakers. Is this buzz/hum normal? Should I ignore it or get Denon to look at it? I've got 3 years warranty left. Any ideas?

An internal mechanical buzz/hum is often caused by the laminations of a power transformer rubbing against one another. It'll be louder when more power is being used by the device and/or when it warms up. For a given device, it's almost impossible to get rid of without taking it apart and tightening any clamps holding the transformer together. Too often no such adjustments are possible -- you have to replace the transformer, the power supply or the entire device.

You might try using a fan to blow out the hot air that's building up above your AVR. Reducing heat is always a good idea and keeping it cool might help reduce the buzz.

Sorry.

Hi. Thanks for this. So, should I get my receiver swapped out? Denon have said they will take a look at it. I'm not greatly bothered in one sense because when it's in the AV cabinet I don't hear it. On the other hand if it's something that's likely to reduce the lifespan of my unit I might want to get it replaced/repaired now by Denon. Thanks for your thoughts.

Hey guys, couple of questions on the denon 1312 with which i am extremely satisfied with.
There are a couple of settings that i need help with. I am trying to run my blu ray in dts and the two closest modes i think to accomplishing this are neo 6 and plIIx c, the latter being my setting as of now. Is this the setting that i want and i noticed that there is an afdm setting as well, should that be turned off or on. thx

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Do you have a 7.1 setup using an external amp to power the rear surrounds or a 5.1 setup? If the former, a DD/DTS 5.1 will play as DD/DTS + PLIIx-Cinema which is likely to be the best mode. The AFDM setting is best left at it's factory default of ON.

yes jd it is a 5.1 set up and thanks for carifying that for me......im new to the game here just switched over from a theatre in a box to this and i must say im totally blown away......thx again

i would get it fixed/replaced... buzzing transformers can only get worse, not better...

Hey jd another question for you.....my denon came with boston acoustic speakers and it reccomended that the crossover be set at 150 and i am reading from other users that have posted elsewhere that crossover should be at 80. I am using the manf suggested
settings is this best?

JD thanks for the 2 step reset. Unfortunately, I have been unable to login since last night and wasn't able to respond any earlier. The 10 min unplug and reset 2/3 didn't produce the flashing display, but the 1/2 reset did but just returned to the green flashing power button and the display showing setup wizard. No display on the TV, and no controls for the denon. Any hope? Thanks