The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 435

I've run Audyssey MultEQ XT a couple times, and I love how it mixed and balanced the sound.

However, one thing I've noticed after a couple weeks listening is that my surrounds seem a little more prominent than I think they should be. I have a full 7.1 setup, in a square room with main seating position in the center. I know some sources will have louder surround than others - the Palladia network seems to mix the rear channels very loud, while movies on HBO-HD are much closer to a good theater experience.

But I was just listening to a DVD-A disc (REM's Automatic For the People), which seems like the rear channels should be carefully mixed. But when instruments appear in the back channels, they overwhelm the rest of the mix.

Any suggestions what I can do to balance this? Should I drop the 4 rear channels 1db at a time to see if it sounds a little more naturally balanced?

Updated my 2112 yesterday. Initially received a "Connection Failed" error. Re-tried immediately and the update completed in ~20 minutes.

Thanks batpig, you nailed it. I thought I had set up my CD/DVD-A/SACD setting properly, but I had actually used an input with the TV on for movie watching, so the input I was on was still at default.

I really like what Dynamic EQ does for music, but as mentioned, it makes the surrounds too strong. Dropping to offset to -10 seems to be a good compromise for now, but I've got to mess with it more.

Hah, I understand your confusion. I have a rather large living room and the TV placement is constrained to one corner. Seating distance is rather far so the ED of the projector still looks good, especially when it's at 92" . Sometimes size does matter.

When it finally dies on me I'll get an HD projector, but my wallet is saying that it hopefully will be a couple years down the road.

Well, I just unboxed my 2112 and am a bit concerned about Denon's quality control. After I had taken off the white foam wrapping, I found a screw the same size as what the outer shell is secured with. However, I cannot find any external spot missing this size of screw.

But, I did notice a couple other things that really concern me. On the underside, one of the 4 circuit board standoffs is missing its screw (this is a smaller size than the loose one I found). Secondly, I think in the area where the power supply might be, only 2 of the 4 screws are there. The open holes are obviously elongated and it appears screws had been tried but something was out of alignment so they wouldn't work and they now appear to be stripped. Can anyone verify the power supply is secured to the baseplate by 4 screws and not 2? This is on the same end as the power cord, there are 2 shallow depressions approximately 1 inch wide and 6 inches long, each with 2 screw holes. There are screws in place only in the inboard depression. The outer depression (closest to the edge of the unit) is the one with the missing screws and elongated holes.

Maybe it's because I work in the aircraft industry, but I find this to be quite unacceptable. Am I being too anal about it?

^ Is it brand new or a refurb?
In either case, get it replaced.

No, you are not being too anal. It might have screws loose inside, too, where they'll eventually short something out.

Return the unit under warranty and get a replacement.
That lack of QC is unacceptable. Someone must have been having a very bad day.

After seeing reports of people successfully updating the firmware on their 2112ci receivers, I decided to give it a go a short while ago (after first doing a SAVE). I am happy to report that it went without problem in approx 20 minutes.

--peter

I decided to run a zone 2 on my deck with my 2112. I use a 7.1 setup in my media room, so purchased an external 2ch amp M-282 and set everything up. I was planing on controling the 2nd zone with my nook through the web interface. It seems like I can't change the volume in this manner. The onkyo only has a line level dial. I thought the Denon would be able to increase or decrease the line out level to control the volume of the 2nd amp and the dial was only for setting a "reference" level.

any thoughts?

You might have read my earlier posts about Airplay disappearing, seemingly at random, on my 2312ci connected to my LAN through Netgear WNDR3800. I also have an iPhone and an iPad.

I have tried all the steps in the Troubleshooting section in the first posts in this thread. All to no avail. However, I have found a pattern and a possible sorce of the problem.

If the AVR is initialized on the LAN after Bonjour has started up on my Windows 7 PC, then everything works as it is supposed to. The AVR initialization can be done by switching to or from DHCP on the AVR. It doesn't matter. Airplay is available in iTunes, and on my iOS devices.

However, if Bonjour is started after the AVR is on the LAN, like if I reboot my PC, then Airplay disappears from all 3 (iTunes and my 2 iOS devices)!! The AVR is on the LAN, can be pinged, can be controlled via the browser on the PC, can stream internet radio and from my media server on the LAN. If I stop the Bonjour service on the PC, Airplay reappears on my iOS devices (but not iTunes, which depends on Bonjour).

Uninstalling iTunes and Bonjour and reinstalling from the latest download from Apple does not help. As soon as Bonjour loads on my PC,and the AVR is already on the LAN from before, Airplay on the AVR gets disabled!! If I stop Bonjour manually or shutdown my PC, Airplay shows up on my iPhone and iPad.

My solution now: I have changed Bonjour to not load up automatically. Now, Airplay is available on my iOS devices (except iTunes). When I need to run iTunes, I start Bonjour manually, run iTunes. Airplay is disabled during this time. When I'm done with iTunes, I close iTunes and shut down Bonjour. Airplay is now available on my iOS devices.

It is a kludge, but it is a workaround.

I googled Netgear and Airplay and someone suggested setting the RIP direction to "Both" and RIP version to "RIP_1" but that has not fixed the problem.

Anyway, I am at my wits end. Bonjour (and Airplay) is happy if the AVR is initialized on the LAN while Bonjour is running. How do I make Bonjour cooperate with my 2312ci when the AVR is already initialized on the LAN and Bonjour starts up?

Aloke

This is a quick question on how to setup a 3805 for zone 2 (I realize this is the wrong year, but it seems like the most active denon thread).

Basically, this system was installed in the house when I bought it, and I've moved it to be used for the closet upstairs in the bedroom. Long story short, I currently have extra ceiling speakers plugged into the rear ports of the 5.1 and I feed them by playing 5 channel stereo. However, I'd rather use Zone 2 or 3 to feed them so I can leave it in 5.1 all the time and the other ceiling speakers will just play the right and left.

After I plug them into zone 2, what settings do I change to make them play whatever I'm feeding into my coax digital audio?

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Set the "Power Amp Assign" setting to Zone 2. Also note that only analog sources can pass to Zones 2/3.

Ran Audyssey XT on my new 2312CI many times and am not really very happy with the result. It set distances and gains nicely but I am not having problems hearing dialogue from regular tv watching. With my old HK I had to bump the CC up a couple db. When I first got the Denon, the dialogue was fine. Now with Audyssey on, Dynamic EQ on, and Dynamic Volume to Day, having hard time hearing dialogue. My CC was set at -4.5 vs. -2.5 for all my other channels. I have no problem bumping up the dialogue to -1.5 if necessary. Thoughts?

What about Dynamic Volume - I know when I put it on Midnight Mode I hear dialogue very well, but why should I have to compress all other channels to hear dialogue. I have it on Day which I guess I can live with, but no compression was needed with my old HK AVR. One thing I do NOT like about Dynamic Volume is that it is continuously raising and lowering the volume and I can hear this through the dialogue and this drives me crazy. If I can get clear dialogue and turn Dynamic Volume OFF I will...I was hoping Dynamic Volume would not be so noticeable but hearing someones voice raise and lower during a show or commercial is just annoying. I would rather turn the volume down during commercials and then back up then have to hear the sound constantly rise and drop. Talk about annoying.

Finally what about Reference Level Offset for normal tv viewing? Choices are 0, 5, 10, and 15dB. Which of these, if any, will help with dialogue.

Speakers have not been moved since I disconnected my old HK AVR and connected the Denon. The old HK ARV with CC bumped a couple dB and Denon right out of the box (with all levels set to 0) have very clear dialogue. What changes to Dynamic EQ, Reference Level Offset, and Dynamic Volume along with CC gain adjust are recommended so I can hear dialogue and still not compressor much of the intended sound signal??? Thanks!

I have a 3312CI that I bought new about 9 months ago. It has worked great but today the center is completely dead. I get no test tone during setup, and it isn't a problem with the wiring or the speaker. Any ideas? I'm loathe to reset the microprocessor as setup is such a pain in the ass...

shoot. Thanks for the quick answer. I wonder what I could get for a 3 month old 2112

save your settings via a web browser, reset, and re-load them. Very easy.

@ MCF34
Why do you even have Dynamic Volume on at all if you don't want any "compression"?

Not in the manual or in #3 here.

1. How do I put a station in one of the three preset buttons next to the internet radio button on the remote?

2. I can't figure out how to bring up the blocks of presets when saving to internet radio. Like when I forget which memory location (e.g., C2) a station at? I can bring it up for the tuner.

3. Are there really two sets of presets here, two for each location (e.g, A1 for tuner is different than A1 for internet radio)?

If you bought it from one of the discount authorized resellers on line, you may get more than what you paid for it if you advertise locally as most folks don't know about them. Note however, the warranty does not transfer so ideally the bill of sale doesn't have your name on it in order for the buyer to use it for warranty repair if necessary.

As noted in my troubleshooting guide in post #3, the first thing to do with issues is a "soft" reset (ie. just unplug the AVR for 10 minutes) and if still no joy and the speaker has been confirmed to not be defective, a microprocessor reset would be the next step.

I now have dynamic volume off. But what about my other questions - any adjustments to reference level, etc. etc. that can improve cc dialogue other than increasing gain? With dynamic volume off a comfortable listening volume is between -30db and -25dB. Taking this into account will an adjustment to Reference Level help with hearing dialogue??

RLO is especially designed for use with non-film sources (ie. TV, music) to reduce the amount of sub/surround boost which will in turn improve dialog quality. Try setting to either -10db or -15db.

Thanks!!! The only choices I am getting are 0dB, 5dB, 10dB, and 15dB. Are these negative values??

Yes, those are the choices. Also, there would be no harm if you did bump the center up a tick to your liking.

1. If you look at the diagram of the remote on p. 131 in your Owner's manual, you'll notice the Presets 1-3 are labeled with a #6 and if you look at #6 on the right side of the page, it refers you to p. 41. If you look on the right side of p. 41 there's a section entitled "Registering Internet Radio Stations to PRESET CHANNEL buttons 1-3.

2. See p. 41.

3. AFAIK, yes.

I use (-) to indicate what the new "reference" level volume will be ...eg. with a setting of 10db, the new "reference" level is now -10db vice 0db.

Thanks. I bumped it up a couple dB and changed RLO to 15dB. Seemed to help some. Maybe it's just the broadcast, but I seem to be getting more dialogue from left and right channels than I recall and that seems to be muddying dialogue a little. Is this possible due to taking my measurement points 'too wide'? Should I tighten up the grouping some and really focus the 8 points around the immediate area around the MLP? As it is the area of 8 points covers about 6' long by 5' deep.

Secondly, I did pick the ideal LP for reading number one, but my actual position 99.9% of the time is one seat to the right. Should I leave #1 at the ideal position or go ahead and shift #1 one seat to the right (slightly off axis of CC and a little closer to left channel vs. right channel)?

Thanks to all the help us out!!!!!

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Didn't we already talk about this in the Audyssey thread? Your #1 position should ideally be centrally located between the front main speakers and the remaining mic positions should all be within a 2'-3' radius of that #1 position. Also ensure the center speaker is aimed up/down as necessary to be pointing at your seated ear height of the #1 position.