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post #13501 of 17925
6/15/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by Callmetaternuts View Post

Back to the wireless network portion. I have Fios in my house and my office/main internet connection is at one end of the house. If I plug in another router in my media room and run ethernet cable to the receiver, would that work? Do I need a 2nd IP or will a router work? I'd like to avoid an extra $50-$75 bucks if possible.
A router will work just fine. You don't need a 2nd IP.
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post #13502 of 17925
6/15/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Like many I'm considering the 3312 due to the great price today. But I'm curious, does the 3312 allow you to output a different audio and video source simultaneously to the same zone? For example, I want to send the HDMI video from my xbox to my projector while also sending audio from my squeezebox to the speakers. Basically I want to game on the 360 but not have to listen to it. Doable?

l. Watch TV while listening to a different audio source: You have a couple of different options here. One option is to connect the cable/sat box HDMI directly to the TV w/optical from the cable/sat box to the AVR. That way you can use the HDMI to the TV for video and then select whatever audio source you want on the AVR. Another option is to use the "Video Select" feature on the AVR noting that you cannot select an HDMI video source. Rather you must connect the cable/sat box to the AVR with a component video/optical cable and then while the audio source is selected (eg. TUNER), change the "Video Select" setting to the component video source.
Sounds like I won't be able to do what I want...or am I misreading this?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread#user_E12
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post #13503 of 17925
6/15/12 at 10:33am
At the moment, there's no way to mix-and-match HDMI video from one source with HDMI audio from another in the same AVR. They're usually provided at different bitrates from the different sources, adding complexity and cost to the circuitry needed to mix the two. Maybe someday.

In other words, connect one (or more) fo the devices to the projector or TV using HDMI and connect its audio to the AVR using digital or analog connections. Select the appropriate inputs separately on the display and AVR. If you have too few HDMI connections on the projector or TV, you'll have to get an external HDMI switch.

Some people claim that the lag introduced by going through an AVR is noticeable with some games, so a direct connection to the display might be appropriate, anyhow.
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post #13504 of 17925
6/15/12 at 10:38am
Does the 3312 run very hot or is it a lot cooler than older amps? I have an Onkyo rc-160 and it's fairly hot, but I know these new Denon's have discrete amps for better power and less heat.
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post #13505 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:15am
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

At the moment, there's no way to mix-and-match HDMI video from one source with HDMI audio from another in the same AVR. They're usually provided at different bitrates from the different sources, adding complexity and cost to the circuitry needed to mix the two. Maybe someday.
In other words, connect one (or more) fo the devices to the projector or TV using HDMI and connect its audio to the AVR using digital or analog connections. Select the appropriate inputs separately on the display and AVR. If you have too few HDMI connections on the projector or TV, you'll have to get an external HDMI switch.
Some people claim that the lag introduced by going through an AVR is noticeable with some games, so a direct connection to the display might be appropriate, anyhow.

Thanks, but just to be clear, I want to pass the HDMI video from my Xbox through the receiver to my projector while simultaneously passing Optical or Coaxial Audio from my Squeezebox through the receiver to the speakers. It would seem that this should work, but with my current Onkyo when I'm viewing the Xbox and I press the the audio input the video goes away and I only get the audio.
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post #13506 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Thanks, but just to be clear, I want to pass the HDMI video from my Xbox through the receiver to my projector while simultaneously passing Optical or Coaxial Audio from my Squeezebox through the receiver to the speakers. It would seem that this should work, but with my current Onkyo when I'm viewing the Xbox and I press the the audio input the video goes away and I only get the audio.

You'll be able to do that (I believe since you can on my 3808) you'll have to choose the input for audio (auto, analog, etc).
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post #13507 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by ufvertigo1 View Post

Does the 3312 run very hot or is it a lot cooler than older amps? I have an Onkyo rc-160 and it's fairly hot, but I know these new Denon's have discrete amps for better power and less heat.

Although Denon AVRs generally run only luke warm at best, I noticed when placing my hand over the tops of demo models in Magnolia that both the 2313CI and the 3313CI are much hotter than the lower models, most likely contributed by the video cards installed in those models as most of the heat was coming from directly over the card.
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post #13508 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:39am
That price on 3312 is great. Glad in returned my 2312. If I wasn't so Leary of Denon sound I would jump all over that 3312 for $550. Oh many have advised my avr635 is a beast compared to the new Denons an to not expect same crisp clear sound. Not sure if that is true or not....
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post #13509 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by broadwayblue View Post

Thanks, but just to be clear, I want to pass the HDMI video from my Xbox through the receiver to my projector while simultaneously passing Optical or Coaxial Audio from my Squeezebox through the receiver to the speakers. It would seem that this should work, but with my current Onkyo when I'm viewing the Xbox and I press the the audio input the video goes away and I only get the audio.

Yes, Wryker is correct. With an HDMI video source and optical/coax digital source assigned to the same input source name, you would change the INPUT MODE of the source to "Digital".
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post #13510 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

A router will work just fine. You don't need a 2nd IP.

Alright, I'll give it a go. How do I need to configure my 2nd router that will be upstairs? The main router will have the 192.168.1.1 address and I'll set that up as I normally would for all other wireless stuff (laptop, phone etc). The 2nd router upstairs will be plugged into the wall and existing cable jack and an ethernet cord will run to receiver, right? Do I need to set that router up first with laptop and change IP or disable anything? Sucks that the original router and media room are literally as far apart as you could possibly be.
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post #13511 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by Callmetaternuts View Post

Alright, I'll give it a go. How do I need to configure my 2nd router that will be upstairs? The main router will have the 192.168.1.1 address and I'll set that up as I normally would for all other wireless stuff (laptop, phone etc). The 2nd router upstairs will be plugged into the wall and existing cable jack and an ethernet cord will run to receiver, right? Do I need to set that router up first with laptop and change IP or disable anything? Sucks that the original router and media room are literally as far apart as you could possibly be.
You should just get a 4 or 8 port switch and plug that switch into your existing router. That'll give you 3 (or 7) more empty Ethernet ports near your AVR.
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post #13512 of 17925
6/15/12 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

You should just get a 4 or 8 port switch and plug that switch into your existing router. That'll give you 3 (or 7) more empty Ethernet ports near your AVR.

I don't need more slots, I need a 2nd floor access to the network. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting a switch or hub just to provide more link capability. I have enough ports downstairs, however, it would be a long cable run over the floors and such at this point whereas I need a router close to the AVR (upstairs). Running an ethernet cable is not an option at this point. I wanted to hook up the 2nd router upstairs right next to the AVR with the cable plugged in and run a 2-4 foot ethernet cable into the AVR while still having the main router downstairs in the office.
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post #13513 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:00pm
Does the Denon AVR3312CI support audio pass through like the Yamaha receivers?
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post #13514 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by Callmetaternuts View Post

I don't need more slots, I need a 2nd floor access to the network. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting a switch or hub just to provide more link capability. I have enough ports downstairs, however, it would be a long cable run over the floors and such at this point whereas I need a router close to the AVR (upstairs). Running an ethernet cable is not an option at this point. I wanted to hook up the 2nd router upstairs right next to the AVR with the cable plugged in and run a 2-4 foot ethernet cable into the AVR while still having the main router downstairs in the office.
How will you get the connectivity to FIOS to your second router (near the AVR)? Wirelessly?
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post #13515 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Paniro85 View Post

Does the Denon AVR3312CI support audio pass through like the Yamaha receivers?

Not sure what the Yamaha does, so can't confirm, however, with a Denon you can either pass HDMI audio to the TV while the AVR is ON, or in Standby (specific HDMI source only though when in Standby).
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post #13516 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

How will you get the connectivity to FIOS to your second router (near the AVR)? Wirelessly?

I'm assuming (hoping?) wirelessly. Otherwise I'll have to figure out how to wire through the walls (not my strong point) or just by a repeater or second router/IP and use upstairs as its own network, which seems dumb to me.
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post #13517 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, Wryker is correct. With an HDMI video source and optical/coax digital source assigned to the same input source name, you would change the INPUT MODE of the source to "Digital".

Thanks a lot. Last question. The solution you propose will work fine. However, it would require that I never get sound from my xbox, right? Would there be a way to easily switch the audio input to a different (digital) source while i'm currently viewing and listening to the xbox? Sometimes I do want to actually hear what's coming from my xbox. But other times i'm playing a game and would prefer to listen to different audio (eg squeezebox) and would ideally just have to press one button to have this source play while still continuing to watch the xbox. Is that doable? Hope I'm making sense.
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post #13518 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:17pm
I just ordered the 3312 to replace our 3806. Talk about impulse buying! I found the 3806 for $595 when the 3808 came out. I had no business to be in this thread today. eek.gif
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post #13519 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by CNLiberal View Post

This is an HDCP handshake issue. I have an MythBuntu 11.10 setup with an nVidia GT430 HDMI directly to my DVR input on the 3312CI. I have to power things on in a specific order to get the handshake correct. TV, then 3312CI then the computer. The benefit of the GT430 is that I also get HD Audio codecs over the HDMI cable. So I can watch BluRays at full video resolution and get HD audio as well. I LOVE IT!


Thanks for your suggestion, I guess I'll have to play around with the power on sequence & see if I can find one that helps.
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post #13520 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:28pm
I noticed something different the other night on the face of my 3312. I run a 5.2 system and as we know on each side it shows which speakers are running, or hooked up, at least I think that is what is going on. I put my new BD (3D) copy of Transformers DOTM and noticed on the left side of the screen, there were two more blocks that showed up? SBR, SBL? This was only on the left. I have never seen these two blocks before, is there a reason these showed up?

Here is a picture of what it looked like,
http://www.avsforum.com/image/id/308078
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post #13521 of 17925
6/15/12 at 12:32pm
^^
Left side = input signal (7.1)
Right side = output signal to speakers (5.1)
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post #13522 of 17925
6/15/12 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Left side = input signal (7.1)
Right side = output signal to speakers (5.1)

So this model is reverse display from my 3808!?
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post #13523 of 17925
6/15/12 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Left side = input signal (7.1)
Right side = output signal to speakers (5.1)
Gotcha, Thanks!
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post #13524 of 17925
6/15/12 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Wryker View Post

So this model is reverse display from my 3808!?

Nope ... exactly the same.

On a side note though ... these icons are a very nice feature to have to confirm what the input signal is rather than having to drill down into the menus to retrieve that information. Denon chose to remove the feature from the lower level models below the 23XX series.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 6/15/12 at 2:19pm
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post #13525 of 17925
6/15/12 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Nope ... exactly the same.
On a side note though ... these icons are a very nice feature to have to confirm what the input signal is rather than having to drill down into the menus to retrieve that information. Denon chose to remove the feature from the lower level models below the 23XX series.
So all this time Ive been interpreting my set up wrong? What I read it the left side is what's being output while the right is what's connected.
I have a 7.1 set up and the right side never changes yet I believed the left side changes to show what is being sent to the speakers.
All these years I've been way off?!?

SO the left side shows what's being input and the right side shows the output? I"ve watched plenty of 5.1 audio and if it's HD audio I don't get 7.1 sound but I do for non HD audio. I do have +PLII turned on for the extra surround speakers but the HD audio never shows it - Just HD-MA, etc.
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post #13526 of 17925
6/15/12 at 3:24pm
^^
Yup ... I could display an image of your Owner's manual for you ... but ... rolleyes.gif

You can test it yourself by selecting the STEREO mode ... you'll see your right side speaker icons change.
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post #13527 of 17925
6/15/12 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Yup ... I could display an image of your Owner's manual for you ... but ... rolleyes.gif
You can test it yourself by selecting the STEREO mode ... you'll see your right side speaker icons change.
The right side never changes - even on Stereo - just the left. I could take a picture of it if you want - i just put on internet radio.
Left side shows 2 channel
Right side shows 7.1
Sound is coming from all 7 speakers
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post #13528 of 17925
6/15/12 at 3:44pm
Yeh .. that's because you're using DD PLIIx to simulate 7.1 audio as you said in your original post. You need to change it to STEREO mode. If it's on STEREO mode, then audio should only be coming from FL/FR and perhaps sub, depending on how you have STEREO mode set up.
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post #13529 of 17925
6/15/12 at 3:51pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yeh .. that's because you're using DD PLIIx to simulate 7.1 audio as you said in your original post. You need to change it to STEREO mode. If it's on STEREO mode, then audio should only be coming from FL/FR and perhaps sub, depending on how you have STEREO mode set up.

But there is no option to add DD PLIIx to DTS-MA or TRUE-HD audio signals from what I've seen/heard?! I listened and don't hear the surrounds on HD audio that doesn't support 7.1 and for 6.1 I don't hear anything in the SR's (Star Wars BD for example).
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post #13530 of 17925
6/15/12 at 3:55pm
I'm talking about using the STEREO mode ... press the STD button on your remote and select STEREO.
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