The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 483

Well after I wrote this about what I was thinking, I decided to go downstairs and try and plug it in once again (has been about 2 weeks now I think). Well, it powered up so I was obviously excited! However, it looks like the HDMI splitter may be having some issues because I can't get any video out via the HDMI cable. I can see the menu and all that on the display of the receiver but nothing on the tv. I did a micro-processor reset and that didn't resolve it.

So my big question is that now, since it turns on, can I take it to a Denon authorized service center and have them look into it? I'm guessing that wouldn't be covered under warranty repair if things need to be replaced but perhaps the initial inspection would be? I plan on calling a service center tomorrow so we'll see what they say but I was at least happy that the receiver turns on now!

Alright! I was going to suggest taking the grill guard off the sub, but sounds like the issue may be with the internal bracing. Amazon really is great to deal with.


It may be covered under your home owners insurance policy???

Why should you diagnose the problem for them. Let them figure it out, and then they will tell you if it's not covered. I always leave the diagnosis to the professionals.

I'm trying to use the Denon 3312CI menus to access Audio Adjust as covered in pages 97 through 102 of the User's Manual. When I go to Audio/Video Adjust and select Audio Adjust the only option I see is Audio Delay. From my reading I expected to see Surround Parameters, Audyssey Settings, and A-DSX Soundstage.

I assume that a setting elsewhere else in the menu structure is hiding what I'm looking for. I've already run Audyssey Setup, and just now I tried navigating the menus with a CD playing. The results were the same. I wound up at Audio Delay.

One curious thing is that after running Audyssey Setup, I changed speaker size and crossovers for my speakers. They now seem to have reverted to what they were when Audyssey Setup finished.

Getting involved with the Denon menus and settings is like playing Myst and Riven all over again.

If there is an article that covers the idiosyncrasies of the xx12 menu system for beginners, please point me to it.

It's going to depend on the source you have selected as to what you see under each category. Some settings won't apply to the source so they won't be listed.

What equipment do you have hooked up to 3312 and how? hdmi, analog, etc..?

Your not kidding about learning the ins and outs of the 3312 That blasted menu system can be irritating.

But, it gets better with time.

I miss a dimmer button on the remote, or a button for selecting between "amp assign" modes (it may be that I haven't come across it yet) I'd like to switch between my 5.1 system to my front full range stereo speakers with the press of a button.

I was really contemplating sending the unit back to Amazon because of the sound with multi-channel high rez music, but I think I've got it tweaked now to exactly how I like it. This is very critical for me with DVD-A and SACD playback. The Denon now sounds as good as my old Pioneer Elite. The biggest sound killers for me on the 3312 are the "dynamic volume" and "dynamic EQ"..........I hate those settings, totally wretched, they are turned off on all sources.

The media server is a joke. No gapless FLAC. Then if you want to merge your FLAC's to have gapless playback, no ability to fast forward through a 60 minute album. Really dealing with dixie cups and strings here. Hopefully they'll get it right someday but probably going to be a very expensive "feature".

Overall, it's a pretty decent receiver.......
Edited by Stilly77 - 7/12/12 at 2:13am

If you read the Owner's manual on p. 98 as follows:



... it tells you that the menus are based on both the input signal and surround mode selected as well as that the chart on p. 134 describes the instances of when the menus will appear. In your case, you may have "Direct" mode selected which would disengage all Surround DSP and Audyssey menus as well.

Also note that after running AUTO SETUP, the results are stored under "System Setup -->Speaker Setup --> Auto Setup ---> Parameter Check" (p. 27), while any manual changes made would be stored under "System Setup--> Speaker Setup ---> Speaker Config/Distance/Channel Level" (p. 105). The manual changes are what is currently in effect; however, should you ever want to return to the AUTO SETUP settings, you can use the RESTORE feature to do so (p. 27)

You can do this by setting up the custom "2CH Direct/Stereo" menu (p. 110) to change the FL/FR speakers to LARGE w/ or w/o the sub whenever STEREO mode is selected.

Anyone usiing AirPlay with a Verizon actiontec router? I can only seem to think its my router making this difficult.

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yes, but i'm not using the actiontec for wifi...

Are you chaining another wifi router to one of the static actiontec ports? Is this required to make it operate? This is why I bought a denon and my experiences to date are awesome, except this.

FWIW, I did try the REMOTE CONTROL OUT jack to send signals out via an IR blaster. It did not work, but then again I did not expect it to after being told here it is designed to pass along signals sent to the REMOTE CONTROL IN jack. But it never hurts to try!

I would like to setup my old AVR3801 in the same cabinet as my new AVR3312ci so that the 3801 can drive speakers in house (not installed yet). My question is how can these two receivers operate independently when they both accept the same remote control signals. I can't wrap my head around it. The best I can come up with is keeping the AVR3801 in a cabinet and opening the door when I want to adjust it. I could leave it on all the time and control the volume via inline controllers, but that would seem to use up unnecessary power and could burn up the AVR. Any ideas?

Thanks for your reply.

Right now I have an OPPO 93 connected by HDMI to the BD input. I also have a Comcast (Motorola) DCX3400 connected by HDMI to the SAT/CBL. I haven't used it, but there is a Toshiba HD A-30 connected with HDMI to the DVD input.

The OPPO 93 is still set to output LPCM which was required for the replaced Denon 3806.

Good Day Everybody;

Has anybody had an issue with your receiver going into protect when using the network capabilities? I first starting having this issue on my 2112 after I upgraded to the latest firmware. The receiver went into protect when listening to internet radio. During troubleshooting I found that this happens on Airplay as well. The last time I was able to use one of these functions post firmware upgrade was with Airplay, and I remember that it took a while for the receiver to switch back to HDMI after that (seem to recall the receiver saying Connecting...)

I called Denon and they told me to do a microprocessor reset, before I do this I wanted to take a backup. While trying to take the backup (from multiple PCs and browsers) I get the save not complete error. When using Firefox I only see the connecting to 192.168.1.10.... Unless I turn the receiver off and on, then I get the connected message, but still end up with the save not complete. And all subsequent tries do not connect, and same error. I can ping the receiver from any machine on the network, so connectivity isn’t the issue.

Any tips/advice? Or should I do the network reset as is often mentioned here without the backup?

Cheers.

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Have you reviewed the tips suggested in post #3 of this thread under "SAVE/LOAD"?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1334369/the-official-denon-avr-xx12-model-owners-thread/0_100#user_E10

That's where I got the idea to use Firefox. I will turn network standby off, as I usually cannot get the receiver to stay on long enough to start and stop something.

Thank you for your prompt reply, I will try these and report back.

The timing might just be a coincidence. Check your speaker cables to make sure there are no shorts -- at the receiver connections, the speaker connections, and in between. A pet chewing on them might have damaged the wires. The quickest test might be to unplug the cables at the receiver and see if it still has problems.

What about using the IR blaster with the REMOTE CONTROL IN jack with the blaster placed wider than what is needed for the 3312CI to operate? Are you trying to use the 3801 as a dedicated AVR or as a Zone 2 or 3 connected to the 3312CI?

Yes I was in Direct which I've now changed to Standard. The OPPO 93 was set to output LPCM for the Denon 3806. I've checked the charts starting on p134. As I absorb them they should help a lot.
The manual settings seem to be the same as those in Auto Setup with the exception of the front speaker size (changed to Small) and the crossovers (changed to 80 Hz). Does that mean that the effects of Auto Setup are in place and working? For instance Dynamic EQ is set to ON. I guess it's clear that I don't know when I might want to use RESTORE after having just done Auto Setup and having made only those two changes.

When I first connected the 3312CI, I was able to enter all the relevant information from the calibration that was done with the Denon 3806. I found speaker distance, size, crossover, and channel balance.

I was also able to find screens that allowed me to make manual EQ trims to various frequencies for each speaker. Now I'm not sure where in the labyrinth I was when I made those frequency based trims. I haven't been able to find them. Also, did Auto Setup make similar trims, and where can I find those settings?

I'm grateful for the progress you've helped me make. Now if I can find the "Ah-Ha" page, I won't need to ask so many beginner's questions.

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Whatever changes you made prior to running AUTO SETUP are ignored and subsequently replaced with the AUTO SETUP settings. The RESTORE feature is likely never used by 99% of owners, however, could be used if you made some changes to various settings and simply wanted to start over again with the original settings.

I still have the manual for the AVR3801 and can check if it supports 1 and 2 as you suggest. I suppose the AVR3312ci supports this feature. If not, then it may not matter.

I should clarify that the 3801 has no REMOTE CONTROL IN/OUT jacks. I was testing the ones on the 3312ci. I was hoping to use the 3801 as an amp for zone 2 via the pre-out connection. It supports 7 channels x 105 watts @ 8 ohms. If I understand the zone 2 options properly, I can use Airplay, net/usb from 3312ci and analog connections from other sources for output to zone 2 (even if listening to same source as main room).

The 3801 would be set to one input (from the pre-outs on 3312ci) all the time with the audio setting on all channel stereo. Speaker pairs from each of the 4 rooms will be wired as follows:
Room 1 - main L/R terminals
Room 2 - center (the pair from this room will run in parallel to one terminal and this receive half the power of the other rooms - thus choosing the room with least volume needs)
Room 3 - surround L/R
Room 4 - surround back L/R

I would use in wall volume controllers and get 8 ohm in ceiling speakers. I was hoping to pass remote codes to the 3801 via the REMOTE CONTROL OUT on the 3312ci since they is not enough room or ventiliation to keep them both in the same cabinet. Since that didn't work, I was going to get an IR extender. However, if I cannot control them separately, I may not be able to use the 3801 for this application. All the prewiring comes to the wall were the 3312ci is installed.

You may want to set the Oppo 93 to "bitstream" with secondary audio to OFF which would pass the compressed audio to the 3312CI for decompressing and you would see the DD/DTS audio codec on the display rather than "Mult Ch In".

Thank you.

I do not have issues with any other source. Tuner, HDMI all work perfect on both zones. The network things (airplay, net/usb) are the only sources that cause the receiver to go into protect. And to be extra safe I removed the speakers from the wall jack during troubleshooting. The receiver went into protect with the speakers unplugged.

@ thefish -

Neither the 3801 nor the 3312CI support the "Remote ID" feature.

If you're only using the 3801 as an external amp, what controls do you need other than simply turning it ON/OFF which can be done with a smart power strip?

I've searched AVS and have a different question: I have the Logitech Revu. My HDTiVo connects to it via HDMI and from the Revu to the AVR via HDMI.
I've set up the audio in the Logitech to "5.1" (only option) and yet the AVR shows "MULTI-CH IN".
Does anyone have a Revue and get the same display? Since it comes in as MULTI I'm not allowed to apply surround back "+PLIIx Cinema" to stereo or 5.1 audio programs (which is 99.9% of everything on cable).

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There was an issue with the Revu being unable to pass DD 5.1, although don't know if it's been resolved. Simply connect an optical from the TiVo to the AVR in addition to the HDMI from the Revu to the AVR and change the INPUT MODE setting to "Digital".
Edited by jdsmoothie - 7/12/12 at 12:27pm

Yup - i spent some time searching other web sites and I can use optical to get 5.1 to apply the surround parameters however I've read conflicting accounts on whether 2.0 stereo 'forces' the AVR to 2.0 or can other settings be applied. Looks like more work this weekend!!

I got a 3312 from last month's Amazon sale and now feel the need to upgrade my speakers. Budget is a huge issue so I must go used (Craigslist). I'm poking around for Martin Logans. Has anyone paired their 3312 or close equivalent to MLs? Specifically, I've found some SL3s and Aeons in driving distance. As an alternative, I also found a set of Snell Type D that are intriguing. My budget is $500 to $800 for a pair of front mains. Any thoughts would be appreciated.