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Thread Starter 
no, you do not misunderstand

"blacker than black" and "whiter than white" info is not part of the normal video signal, so on a properly calibrated display you will not be "missing" anything. With a calibrated display, your black level will have been set at the point where 16 = BLACK, so the fact that the info below 16 (0-15) is missing will not affect anything.

honestly, BTB/WTW clipping is not a big deal for normal use... no need to rehash the arguments here, if anyone is interested I encourage you to read up on old Yamaha receiver threads
post #1502 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, you do not misunderstand

"honestly, btb/wtw clipping is not a big deal for normal use... No need to rehash the arguments here, if anyone is interested i encourage you to read up on old yamaha receiver threads

+1
post #1503 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


proper settings for 'fat' PS3:

- HDMI audio = LPCM
- Superwhite = ON
- RGB = limited

Denon will report MULTI CH IN for audio from the PS3. Read here for more: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audio

thanks for the guidance on the 'fat' PS3 settings. My 2112 arrived yesterday and I'll be setting everything up (including my PS3) on saturday.

I notice some people are having issues with the PS3 regarding clipping (??) and I was wondering what I should be looking out for so I can help either confirm it's an issue or not. (I figure the more PS3 / Denon owners, the larger the sample and we can see if there really is an issue)

so... what is "clipping"?


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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

In generall the FULL setting is only when connecting to a PC monitor. When connecting to an HDTV, the setting should be "limited." The Superwhite set to "ON" will get you BTB/WTW.

If you don't want to turn on your AVR from another part of the house with an iphone or other smart phone, then sure, set Network Standby to OFF.

another n00bie question. (sorry)
what is BTB / WTW?
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Originally Posted by Jedi54 View Post

another n00bie question. (sorry)
what is BTB / WTW?

Blacker-than-Black / Whiter-than-White. Levels that fall outside the "spec" for black and white.
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

Blacker-than-Black / Whiter-than-White. Levels that fall outside the "spec" for black and white.

Actually levels that fall outside the spec for video (or other content like pictures, games, etc. that has been compressed to video levels). Clipping extended range RGB is mostly just an issue for HTPC users who chose to use PC levels with their display; for everyone else it just makes calibration inconvenient.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jedi54 View Post

so... what is "clipping"?

someone just asked the exact same question 25 minutes before you posted, please try and keep up


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I was wondering what I should be looking out for so I can help either confirm it's an issue or not.

again, late to the party. issue is already confirmed so no need to test anything. It's something that most would never notice and you don't need to worry about it in normal use, so enjoy your new toy
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Got my 2112ci today, too tired, I'll tackle it tomorrow. EE changed the itemization of my bill. It was initially $399.99 and no shipping, now it says $369.00 and $29.99 shipping. The microphone box was conspicuously taped onto a piece of cardboard, highly visible when I opened the box.
post #1508 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post


yes, it's worth the extra $100. the 2312 adds MultEQ XT (instead of regular MultEQ), networking, an extra HDMI input on the front, a new "advanced" GUI, and the ability to overlay graphics on 3D video in addition to 2D. I would wait.

Looking at it further...I'm going to wait...at the end of the day it's a $50 difference. 2312 has AirPlay. 2311 requires $50 upgrade.
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So im ahuge newb when it comes to everything that you guys talk about on here but im reading and trying to learn as much as possible before asking dumb questions. Anyways I just built my first ht setup. Got a 55 in panny st30, demon 1912, and energy classic 5.1 speakers. Am loving everything so far in the first week.

My question is I just bought an xbox and when I connect the xbox to my demon thru hdmi I get nothing. Im thinking I have to setup the input, similar to the first time setup but when I hit menu on my demon remote I get nothing. There has to be something real simple im missing cause my bluray and cable box are working, just can't get the xbox to work.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for everything u guys do on here.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chkptco View Post

2312 has AirPlay. 2311 requires $50 upgrade.

Actually Airplay isn't even possible on the 2311, it doesn't have networking.
post #1511 of 18979
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

Got my 2112ci today, too tired, I'll tackle it tomorrow. EE changed the itemization of my bill. It was initially $399.99 and no shipping, now it says $369.00 and $29.99 shipping. The microphone box was conspicuously taped onto a piece of cardboard, highly visible when I opened the box.

My 2112 mic was very conspicuously attached right smack in the middle, hard to miss. But on my 3312 is was indeed "hidden" in a pocket on the outside of the packing styrofoam, so I can see how people may have missed that.
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Demon? Maybe you bought a knock-off box from Beelzebuy.
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Originally Posted by Anodyne View Post

Demon? Maybe you bought a knock-off box from Beelzebuy.

Heh, damn autocorrect on this gtab im posting from...
post #1514 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

someone just asked the exact same question 25 minutes before you posted, please try and keep up




again, late to the party. issue is already confirmed so no need to test anything. It's something that most would never notice and you don't need to worry about it in normal use, so enjoy your new toy

So, If I were to have the tv calibrated, I can/should bypass the Denon? When its completed I can then hook it back up to the receiver and the calibrated picture should be the same? I'll also post this in the calibration thread.
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Can't get AirPlay to work with my 3312ci

Do I need to connect the avr to my network via Ethernet?

AirPlay works with my iPad and iPhone and my iMac

Any guidance or tips would be appreciated

Thanks
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If EE would honor 399.99 for the 2112ci I would buy one in a heartbeat. How do you guys get this pricing!
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Hey guys,I have an avr 1612 hooked up to a samsung 58inch plasma(one of this years models) and i have it hooked up right and in settings I have the hdmi control on with the standby source the hdmi number my cable box is connected to and the p.off control set to all the problem is when I turn on my tv with the receiver of in standby mode I get the no signal message from my tv until I mess with the source control and change the sources back and fourth then the picture appears but thats not the only problem while watching tv I notice every minute the picture freezes but the sound keeps playing and then the picture catches up. This was not happening with the tv or cable box before I hooked it up to this receiver,anybody knows what causing this and why?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GeorgeG02 View Post

Can't get AirPlay to work with my 3312ci

Do I need to connect the avr to my network via Ethernet?

yes of course you have to connect to the network -- how is it supposed to receive streaming audio if it's not networked?
post #1519 of 18979
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Originally Posted by kobe98 View Post

So, If I were to have the tv calibrated, I can/should bypass the Denon?

in theory it shouldn't really matter, but anyway if you are hiring a calibrator they will know what to do.
post #1520 of 18979
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Originally Posted by nuttybardude View Post

My question is I just bought an xbox and when I connect the xbox to my demon thru hdmi I get nothing. Im thinking I have to setup the input, similar to the first time setup but when I hit menu on my demon remote I get nothing. There has to be something real simple im missing cause my bluray and cable box are working, just can't get the xbox to work.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for everything u guys do on here.

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post #1521 of 18979
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Originally Posted by jkiller122 View Post

Hey guys,I have an avr 1612 hooked up to a samsung 58inch plasma(one of this years models) and i have it hooked up right and in settings I have the hdmi control on with the standby source the hdmi number my cable box is connected to and the p.off control set to all the problem is when I turn on my tv with the receiver of in standby mode I get the no signal message from my tv until I mess with the source control and change the sources back and fourth then the picture appears but thats not the only problem while watching tv I notice every minute the picture freezes but the sound keeps playing and then the picture catches up. This was not happening with the tv or cable box before I hooked it up to this receiver,anybody knows what causing this and why?

Try resetting the microprocessor (p. 94). If still no joy, there may be an HDMI handshake issue with the cable box so connect it directly to the TV with optical from the box to the AVR for audio (unless you have an HDMI 1.4 TV w/ARC in which case you can pass the audio back to the AVR that way).
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anyone get a 3312 yet?
post #1523 of 18979
Two questions:
Any one has issue with pass-through in stand-by from the cable box? I have DCX3400-m from Comcast and cannot get it to work.
When turning on AVR it always defaults to TV. Is there a way to control the source selection at the start up on 2112?
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^^
The AVR defaults to the "TV" source because you have HDMI-CEC on the TV set to ON. Set it to OFF and the AVR will turn on to the last source used prior to going to Standby. For the HDMI standby pass through to work, you must set HDMI Control to "ON" and set the Standby Source to the HDMI jack you have the cable box plugged in to.
post #1525 of 18979
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post
^^
For the HDMI standby pass through to work, you must set HDMI Control to "ON" and set the Standby Source to the HDMI jack you have the cable box plugged in to.
Yes, I've done that. HDMI On. Tried specific HDMI 3 for Cbl/Sat, tried Last, moved HDMI to 2 and changed it in the setting to HDMI 2. Same result.
If cable and TV are on, and I switch AVR off, then after brief interruption TV keeps displaying cable. But if they are both off and I turn on the TV I get no signal message on the TV. However I see that something actually happening because channel number on the cable box display briefly changes to something else. Same is happening when I have box connected to the TV directly. That shows me that TV is contacting cable box via HDMI. And sometimes (not always) the picture comes up for a split second.

Handshake issue? HDMI cable defective?
post #1526 of 18979
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post
anyone get a 3312 yet?
Several of us have
post #1527 of 18979
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Originally Posted by kyxapka

Yes, I've done that. HDMI On. Tried specific HDMI 3 for Cbl/Sat, tried Last, moved HDMI to 2 and changed it in the setting to HDMI 2. Same result.
If cable and TV are on, and I switch AVR off, then after brief interruption TV keeps displaying cable. But if they are both off and I turn on the TV I get no signal message on the TV. However I see that something actually happening because channel number on the cable box display briefly changes to something else. Same is happening when I have box connected to the TV directly. That shows me that TV is contacting cable box via HDMI. And sometimes (not always) the picture comes up for a split second.

Handshake issue? HDMI cable defective?
I am having the same issue with my 1912. To fix the problem one of the moderators suggested that I run the hdmi cable directly from cable box to tv, with an optical cord from cable box to AVR for sound. Sounds like a sensible approach, though I am disappointed in this problem.
post #1528 of 18979
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately problems like this have been happening with cable/sat boxes since HDMI first appeared. HDMI "handshake" issues are exacerbated when the device goes through an HDMI switch, so connecting direct-to-TV is a logical solution.

Honestly, the "one cable to the TV" thing is pretty overrated. Running a second HDMI cables to the display obviates the need for any "standby passthrough" because the AVR is out of the chain, plus you get more flexibility (e.g. you can watch TV from the cable box while playing a different audio source on the AVR).
post #1529 of 18979
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
Honestly, the "one cable to the TV" thing is pretty overrated.
I completely agree, and I wish AVR manufacturers realized this and gave us more optical audio inputs.
post #1530 of 18979
My 3312 prompted for a firmware update today... it's updating right now. Is there any place to find release notes or some idea of what has been updated? The "most recent" listings on their Product Updates page are almost a year old.
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