The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread - Page 504

Good question. Unless another owner that is passing > 96khz audio can chime in, you may want to post at the Ask Audyssey site for a more definitive answer.

Gotcha. 24/96 sounds like a good bet for now. I'll probably play around with some of the other settings a bit later. Thanks for your time.

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Im having troubles setting up my sony hx850 and 2312. I currently have my front 3 hooked up and get the test signal, but cant get anything to play when watching tv. I couldnt get the internet radio to put out any sound either. Currently the cable is going directly into the tv, then hdmi through the arc. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Hi guys

What's the easiest set up with a denon avr 1612 to a cable set to box, dvd and tv? I currently route it all through the avr and the avr goes to the tv via the arc hdmi

issue is in order to get the tv to have a signal/watch cable i have to switch on the avr and then turn it off (my wife and kids don't want or care about surround sound and prefer it via the tv speakers)

Is there a simple way using optical outs, etc? I'd like to have the option to use the avr to watch cable tv (or any of the apps that come with the tv) and of course the dvd player, but would like my wife to be able to simply hit "on" on the cable remote and have it worked. Currently hitting on does turn on the tv and will turn on cable but not if I've switched out from cable to the apps on the tv

I tried to set up pass through and have experimented with the all in one remotes, and neither seemed to work

So now i'm seeking the simplest solution with the wiring. Any advice is appreciated

thx

Connect the cable box (HDMI) directly to the TV for your wife and connect an optical cable from the cable box to the 1612 for surround audio. If you're still having issues with the 1612 powering on (due to HDMI Control being enabled), then for your TV smart apps, pass an optical cable from the TV to the 1612 and replace the optical cable from the cable box with a coax digital cable (use "yellow" RCA video cable as suitable substitute) connected to the "orange" jack on the cable box.

Thx JD

So do I run an hdmi from the tv to the cable box using hdmi 1 "arc" or a different hdmi input (from the tv)?

I assume i kept the rest of the set up the same--all other components going into the avr via hdmi, right?

tx

No, the AVR(HDMI ARC) is the only HDMI that can go into the TV's ARC HDMI jack. Other component devices should connect to the AVR.

Ok...but then how do i connect the tv directly to the cable box via hdmi? do i have two hdmis going to tv? (one from tv to avr via arc hdmi and one from tv to cable box via a second hdmi on the tv)?

Yup.

You can use a universal remote (eg. Harmony) to make the process easier for your wife.

tried and didn't like the harmony. didn't work well, etc

would ideally like to have her and the kids use nothing more than the cable remote. I think the system you suggest will allow it.

But I'm still confused, and pardon my ignorance, as I know this is basic stuff to you guys

Currently I have one HDMI going from tv to Denon AVR. It is running to the arc input on back of AVR and goes to the hdmi arc in tv. I assume I should leave that in and simply add an hdmi line from tv (via, say hdmi 2) to the cable box? If so, how does the cable box tie into the avr? Is that what the optical cable does? Uses the tv to channel from cable box to avr (assuming I want to watch cable in 5.0 surround)?

Thx....

Correct. Leave the cable from the AVR to the TV as is so it can pass the video sources that are connected to the AVR on to the TV. The HDMI cable from the cable box to HDMI #2 on the TV will pass both audio and video for your wife's viewing. The optical from the cable box to the AVR will pass audio only to the AVR for when you want to use the 5.1 setup. You wife would select HDMI #2 on the TV and turn the cable box ON, while you would select HDMI #1 on the TV and turn the AVR ON when using other sources and surround sound from the cable box.

Great. Thanks JD

Is there any way to set it up so that it just defaults to hdmi 2 so that they can simply turn on the tv with the cable remote or will it always require selecting the source first? That means digging into the tv menu and doing it.

To me not a biggie, but my wife and kids want it simple (which, I realize, is why most people use / like the Harmony solution).

More questions on my 3312ci:

First, I'm loving this AVR. I moved to it from a Sony STR DA3ES.

My speakers are Polk bookshelves, center, surrounds and sub. (5.1).

I'm confused by the audio upscaling options. I primarily use a Panasonic DMP BDT220 bluray player, an Xbox 360 or streaming internet/LAN music. Focusing on the bluray player, I have it hooked up via HDMI to the 3312ci. I use "BD" to select it as an input source. I've run the Audyssey setup and followed the first several posts in this thread. When I play bluray disks, everything sounds great and I get full 5.1 output. However, if I put in an audio CD, then the 3312ci ignored my subwoofer and only played it as pure stereo. I had to manually change my fronts from Large to Small and then setup a custom sound profile to get the sub to work with 2 channel sound. That seems like a kludge.

I also found that the xbox 360 (hdmi into Game 1) was not using the 5.1 speaker setup when streaming netflix.

Streaming Netflix through the Panasonic DMP BDT220 bluray's internet interface, results in 2 channel sound instead of 5.1 (as listed by Netflix).

Is there a way to set up the 3312ci so that, after running Audyssey and setting up the speakers, that it will AUTOMATICALLY select the speakers I want it to use? 5.1 for games, 5.1 for bluray, 5.1 for Netflix with 5.1 sound, 2.1 for CD's, and 3.1 (front, center and sub) for Netflix without 5.1?

(I've just spent a couple hours reading through the manual and I'm overwhelmed by the ability to create custom soundfields.)

Thanks
Ken

I think most TVs when turned on, will be at the same input as when you turned it off. So the easiest for your family is that you remember to always switch the TV to HDMI2 before you turn it off.

Get a universal remote something like the Harmony 1 and you can set up "Activities". A "TV Only" activity could be set up for your wife an kids. Other activities can be set up for other combinations like "Watch TV", "Watch DVD" or "Music". You can name the activities any way that works for your family.

The Harmony remotes are easy to configure but you do need an Internet connection with a USB port.

I'm using a Harmony One and, like others before me, I cannot endorse it strongly enough. It takes away the entire, "Honey, if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: you need to change the input on this remote, select volume with this one, turn on the dvd here, and that's it."

Get one. Everyone will be happier.

For who? Everyone or just the wife? Which Harmony model did you buy? I would suggest nothing lower than the 650 which has a lighted display that is easier to use to troubleshoot connection problems. Otherwise, as suggested, anytime you use the surround setup, you'll want to manually ensure you return the TV to HDMI #2. With cable box configuration suggested, you can then setup the DVD player as the "HDMI Standby Pass through" device so the AVR doesn't have to be turned on by the kids when the surround sound setup is not wanted.

1. No kludge, rather that's how the whole LARGE/SMALL deal works, however, you should also have your front main speakers set to SMALL/80hz in the manual setup menu as well.


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2. Unless you have the 5.1 track selected on Netflix, all you'll get is stereo.

not a kludge. it's the very definition of "bass management"...

fwiw, you should set your speakers to small (with a xover of at least 80hz) and leave them there for ALL sources...

+1. "large" really means nothing more than "do not invoke bass management." Without bass management, nothing goes to the sub from a stereo input because there's no .1 channel . . . Most receiver companies default to large/no bass management at far too high a frequency ( a fact often lemented by Audyssey's COO (or is he CTO?) when he participated here heavily.

^^^

yup.... chris k. basically said that speakers should virtually always be set to small... rightfully so...

life would be SO much easier for people if the avr defaulted to small (and xover of 80hz or greater), and the option to change it to large was buried WAY down deep in the menu options...

Are there after market replacements for Defective Denon HDMI cards for the 3312CI and 4308CI ? I've never opened any of these receivers but the ones Denon is using are not performing well.

Not only is the handshake off but the HDMI boards and ports blow too ofen and the HDMI boards in my 3312CI and 4308CI have both failed and Denon is so back ordered from defective HDMI boards that my service center can't even get a board for me after waiting over two weeks?

Are there any after market solutions that anyone knows of?

Also... How do you know if one of these defective HDMI cards is also in the current Denon receivers? Is there a way to check the version or build or type of HDMI card before you buy a Denon receiver? I don't want to buy another Denon with the same HDMI cards after my 3312CI and 4308CI both failed from the same defects

Thank you

Highly doubt is there is more on the board that has the HDMI ports on it than just those.

The HDMI cards seem to include the network transciever, too. At least one person reported in one of the Denon threads here that when he had a network problem, the repair report said that they'd replaced the HDMI card to fix the network problem.

Aftermarket cards are highly unlikely to ever exist, in my opinion. There's not enough profit margin. Reverse engineering, designing and debugging the replacement would be quite a lot of work.

LOL. Wow, got hammered with the 80hz crossover. The funny thing is, Audyssey setup rated the fronts down to 30hz and the surrounds down to 40hz. Yeah, the 3312ci made those speakers sound better than the ever had. BUT THEN I SET THE CROSSOVER TO 80HZ. Or so I thought. I definitely set the sub to LFE. Somewhere was the recommendation to select LFE, NOT LFE + Main. Yet, if fronts are set to small, then LFE+Main gets used. I may've changed the sub FROM LFE+Main to just LFE. That change, in the subwoofer menu, may've changed the fronts from small to large. I was surprised that they weren't, since I'd set them there.

For the record, Netflix programming listed at 5.1 is only showing as 2 channel input on the 3312's display. Anything that may be causing that?

Thanks!

Ken

Change audio decode to Direct?

1. The lowest crossover setting is 40hz.
2. The LFE+Main setting only applies when the front mains are set to LARGE.
3. That's because it's only receiving a 2CH audio track. You must select the 5.1 track on the Netflix panel.

a distinction that needs to be reinforced here... "audyssey" does not set xovers, the avr does based upon the data that audyssey reports... if the folks who designed audyssey had their way, you would never see a speaker set to "large"...

as noted, the lowest is 40hz, so i'm not real sure where the 30hz comes from...