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post #15991 of 18957
Thread Starter 
yes, that's what the 'multi' part means wink.gif You wouldn't have the option of "MULTI CH IN" surround mode with a 2ch input.

remember you can always check the input signal in the Information section of the GUI if you want to confirm. It will probably say something like "PCM 3/2/.1" (a 5.1 PCM input) or "PCM 3/4/.1" (a 7.1 PCM input). I think a lot of games just output the uncompressed PCM audio, because there's plenty of space on the BD discs to hold it, and you are hooked up with an HDMI cable to a compatible receiver.
post #15992 of 18957
hello, i have denon 1612, every time im watching from cable stations, on my receiver some times it show Dolby Digital sometimes, Pro Log.IIC. and while i am playing games on my PS3 it shows DTS, and watching Blurays it says DTS. how come it doesnt show like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio on the receiver? is DTS same thing with the DTS-HD Master?
post #15993 of 18957
^^^

because that is what your ps3 is sending...

yes, they are different codecs... is the difference "audible"? not nearly as much as some would like you to believe... wink.gif
post #15994 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

watching Blurays it says DTS. how come it doesnt show like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio on the receiver?

make sure that:

1. your PS3 (if it's a Slim model) is set to "Bitstream" output for HDMI, and that you have run the Audio setup auto-detect wizard on the PS3 so it knows your receiver can handle all audio formats

2. you actually select the HD audio track on the Blu-ray. It's not always the default audio track.
post #15995 of 18957
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
because that is what your ps3 is sending...
yes, they are different codecs... is the difference "audible"? not nearly as much as some would like you to believe... wink.gif

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

make sure that:
1. your PS3 (if it's a Slim model) is set to "Bitstream" output for HDMI, and that you have run the Audio setup auto-detect wizard on the PS3 so it knows your receiver can handle all audio formats
2. you actually select the HD audio track on the Blu-ray. It's not always the default audio track.

OK.thanks. i will try again later. which codec is much better Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD, DTS,or DTS-HD Master Audio?
post #15996 of 18957
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

i dont know if this is an audyssey thing or something with my subwoofer. but after reading quite a few posts saying the woofer on a sub shouldnt move much im bothered by something

i have denon 1712, bic f12 and budget andrew jones pioneer speakers the 1st series.

just some important info that pertains to my question coming up. at a tiny bit less than 1 gain on the f12, audyssey set sw channel level at -2.5 so i left that alone

i have upped the sub to +2.5 on the receiver. i get plenty of bass

but, the woofer does move quite a bit. so that contradicts a lot of what i have been reading that the woofer shouldnt move much.

is there something wrong here?

The posts you've been reading are wrong, or you're misinterpreting them.

When there are loud, low frequency sounds, the cone of a subwoofer's driver has to move a lot. Otherwise the sounds wouldn't be loud. Some people have had problems because inadequate subwoofers sometimes "bottom out". Of course, that's something you'd like to avoid, since it can damage the subwoofer. It usually sounds like a metallic clank during an explosion or other loud rumble.
post #15997 of 18957
@caloy...

"technically", true hd and dts-master are better...

audibly, they are very difficult to distinguish over the "lossy" codecs, even on a VERY good setup... on a less than very good setup, any potential audible differences will be lost...
post #15998 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

OK.thanks. i will try again later. which codec is much better Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD, DTS,or DTS-HD Master Audio?

the way to think about it is like CD's vs. MP3's. When you listen to the CD (or an uncompressed file like FLAC, WAV, etc) you are getting "lossless" audio, no data has been thrown away to reduce the file size. An MP3 selectively throws away data to compress the audio and get the file size down... the more data you throw away, the more likely that the data loss becomes audible.

it's the same thing with these audio tracks. For example, with Dolby Digital, the standard DD you got on DVD's was compressed and lossy, like a decent MP3. Dolby Digital Plus has a bigger file size so it is less compressed, like a really good MP3, whereas Dolby TrueHD is totally lossless, like a CD.

With DTS, it's the same thing but with standard DTS, DTS-HD, and DTS-HD Master Audio respectively.

Just like with a good MP3 vs. a CD, the differences between the "lossy" tracks and the "hi rez" tracks can be subtle and difficult to hear, depending on the material, the quality of your speakers, and your ears.
post #15999 of 18957
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the way to think about it is like CD's vs. MP3's. When you listen to the CD (or an uncompressed file like FLAC, WAV, etc) you are getting "lossless" audio, no data has been thrown away to reduce the file size. An MP3 selectively throws away data to compress the audio and get the file size down... the more data you throw away, the more likely that the data loss becomes audible.
it's the same thing with these audio tracks. For example, with Dolby Digital, the standard DD you got on DVD's was compressed and lossy, like a decent MP3. Dolby Digital Plus has a bigger file size so it is less compressed, like a really good MP3, whereas Dolby TrueHD is totally lossless, like a CD.
With DTS, it's the same thing but with standard DTS, DTS-HD, and DTS-HD Master Audio respectively.
Just like with a good MP3 vs. a CD, the differences between the "lossy" tracks and the "hi rez" tracks can be subtle and difficult to hear, depending on the material, the quality of your speakers, and your ears.
thank you so much sir! i think those codecs are not enable on my ps3. all i need to do now is enable it from my ps3 and it is up to me which sound i prefer.
post #16000 of 18957
Hi All,
I recently got my Denon 1912 and hooked it with 55LG5600. I am having issues with sound with Timewarner cable box as source. (I posted in general forum, but then found this owners thread, so trying to get help from audio gurus here).
I have TW cable box, blu ray player and xbox hooked to 1912 via HDMI, and output HDMI from 1912 to TV. I get sound when using blu ray player, but with cable box as source, no sound in TV or speakers. I found some threads talking about similar issues and tried the solutions (like blowing in headphone socket etc). It was actually working the first day I hooked up everything. I must have messed up some setting, or the TW remote might have changed some setting with HDMI control on.
I have tried using different HDMI cable and also different HDMI port on 1912 with no luck. Even the airplay works fine.
Can someone please provide some pointers on what else should I check?
Thanks,
post #16001 of 18957
Thread Starter 
sounds like the issue is with the TW box. Have you tried plugging the TW box straight to the TV and seeing (hearing tongue.gif) if you get audio?
post #16002 of 18957
I hope you guys can work with this.. it's a bit of a puzzling thing..

Ok I took a Sub from a Logitech Z-680 system and put a RCA jack and wired it to the Sub amp, with my AVR-1612 set to +8.0 dB all I hear is just a little tiny bit of bass i'm not sure if I need to change anything? When I did the setup I did not add the sub but I changed it so I do have it and I hardly hear anything at all at least from the sub..Before I give up for the day anything else I should do?

I'm using a coaxial cable I had.
post #16003 of 18957
I just picked up a brand new w2112 on clearance at best buy for$340.

Does that sound like a good pickup?
post #16004 of 18957
@subaru....

did you set your speakers to small with a crossover of at least 80hz?

do you get a test tone from the sub when you run audyssey?
post #16005 of 18957
Run AUTO SETUP with the sub connected. Review the Audyssey 101/FAQ linked in my sig.
post #16006 of 18957
Thanks guys going to have to do a setup again setting the speakers to small and crossover to 80 Hz did make a noticeable difference it how it sounded, I just have to seal it up now since it's running free air on the bed for testing, man did those chips get hot in this short video.. at least 110F


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9lmIIu-whw&feature=youtu.be
post #16007 of 18957
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

I just picked up a brand new w2112 on clearance at best buy for$340.

Does that sound like a good pickup?

yup! biggrin.gif congrats! nice pickup.
post #16008 of 18957
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

I just picked up a brand new w2112 on clearance at best buy for$340.
Does that sound like a good pickup?

I got one last week for $320 after they tried to sell me an open box unit for $400. I was on my way out the door empty handed when the sales associate then found one more new unit that he magically offered to me for $320. I took it since I am having HDMI issues with my old Marantz sr7001 and I am happy with the price and performance of the Denon. I wish it had a bit more power but it’s a great receiver for the price.
post #16009 of 18957
Note the 20W "marketed" difference in power between the 7001 and 2112CI is moot unless you have the volume maxed out near distortion (end even then still moot).
post #16010 of 18957
I only have 5.1 set up. But some blurays plays 7.1 sound. Can i still choose 7.1? How is the sound with 5.1 set up?
post #16011 of 18957
Here is my little setup, this is just temp until I can get the sub I want, trust me no sub sucks plus I'm about to watch the band of brothers bluray set that just came in today, I need some lower end!

I would of did this a bit sooner but I lost power because of the hurricane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv9kemlv9gg&feature=youtu.be
post #16012 of 18957
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I only have 5.1 set up. But some blurays plays 7.1 sound. Can i still choose 7.1? How is the sound with 5.1 set up?
It seems like you are thinking you can get 7.1 sound out of a 5.1 system.. unless you have means to add 2 extra speakers and have a receiver that offers 7.1 it's just going to do 5.1
post #16013 of 18957
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Originally Posted by SubaruB4 View Post

It seems like you are thinking you can get 7.1 sound out of a 5.1 system.. unless you have means to add 2 extra speakers and have a receiver that offers 7.1 it's just going to do 5.1
But my set up is only 5.1. So if i play the movie the sound 7.1 will downgraded to 5.1 automatically?
post #16014 of 18957
Thread Starter 
yes, all 7.1 audio tracks contain instructions to fold the surrounds down to 2 channels for 5.1 output. They always make sure this stuff is backwards compatible.
post #16015 of 18957
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

sounds like the issue is with the TW box. Have you tried plugging the TW box straight to the TV and seeing (hearing tongue.gif) if you get audio?
Hi.. Yes, i did connect the HDMI cabel directly to the TW box and it is working fine. I just cant get it to work with the Denon. I had started airplay from my ipad and thats when it stopped and didnt come back (of this helps in diagnosing the issue)
post #16016 of 18957
post #16017 of 18957
hello guys, my set up right now is only 5.1 surround. Denon 1612, enrgy takes 5, and dayton 1200. my question is is my receiver capable of having 7.1 set up? and also can i use my 2 fronts now as my rears? and i will buy another 2 fronts to replaced the fronts. thanks. and also what fronts are good just like the same size of the take speakers. thanks
post #16018 of 18957
Yes, by connecting a 2CH amp (or an older AVR) to the Surr Back/Front Ht pre-outs, you can add either two rear surround or Front Height speakers. If you like the Energy Take as front speakers, the easiest thing would be to just buy two more of them for the rear speakers, otherwise you can replace them with another Energy model (eg. CF-30) to match up with the Energy center speaker and move the Takes to the rear.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Take-Speaker-Single-Black/dp/B000VR1TNE

http://www.electronics-expo.com/energy-cf-30-floorstanding-tower-speaker-black
post #16019 of 18957
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, by connecting a 2CH amp (or an older AVR) to the Surr Back/Front Ht pre-outs, you can add either two rear surround or Front Height speakers. If you like the Energy Take as front speakers, the easiest thing would be to just buy two more of them for the rear speakers, otherwise you can replace them with another Energy model (eg. CF-30) to match up with the Energy center speaker and move the Takes to the rear.
http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Take-Speaker-Single-Black/dp/B000VR1TNE
http://www.electronics-expo.com/energy-cf-30-floorstanding-tower-speaker-black
thank you so much, sir.
post #16020 of 18957
need help again with my denon1712. i dont know what button i pressed or if anyone else did but now when i turn receiver on it says STEREO instead of dolby d. also i checked sub level and it says ON and does not say decibel. the only thing i can remember pressing is one of the quick select buttons. anyhow if i press the movie button i can get it to say dolby d again. but still if i turn it off then back on, same problem only 50% of the time. also i hope audyssey is still enabled
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