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^ wondering about that too
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My understanding from reading the Audyssey thread is that you should have both subs powered on and active, connected using the Y cable when you run Audyssey. The room correction has to be done with the audio environment that you'll be listening to.
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

My understanding from reading the Audyssey thread is that you should have both subs powered on and active, connected using the Y cable when you run Audyssey. The room correction has to be done with the audio environment that you'll be listening to.

maybe with your reading youre talking about one of those .2 receivers that can configure two subs at once? my 1712 cant do that.

my confusion is if both subs are powered on using the splitter when running audyssey, how do you know which sub you have to raise or lower the volume on the back of the sub (gain i think they call it), and get audyssey to get both equal regarding decible. i just dont see how running audyssey with two subs connected at the same time is going to work. i just want to know how to do it correctly
Edited by bradymartin - 11/9/12 at 8:18pm
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Thread Starter 
Selden - he is just talking about using audyssey to level match the subs independently as an initial step, and then once they are level matched he would connect both with a y splitter and do the full calibration. That is a good procedure if you don't have an spl meter.

Bradymartin - if you do this try and keep the subs relatively equidistant from the listening zone and try to get them as close as possible. 3db may not sound like much but it requires about double the power! And if one sub is much closer than the other you may end up with very different levels (the closer one not having to play as loud). Ideally both subs would "share the load" as equally as possible. So if you get them physically equidistant, and get them level matched within 1-2db, you should be fine.
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Selden - he is just talking about using audyssey to level match the subs independently as an initial step, and then once they are level matched he would connect both with a y splitter and do the full calibration. That is a good procedure if you don't have an spl meter.
Bradymartin - if you do this try and keep the subs relatively equidistant from the listening zone and try to get them as close as possible. 3db may not sound like much but it requires about double the power! And if one sub is much closer than the other you may end up with very different levels (the closer one not having to play as loud). Ideally both subs would "share the load" as equally as possible. So if you get them physically equidistant, and get them level matched within 1-2db, you should be fine.

i have no desire or want to buy an spl meter and need to use a computer to do this. feck more confusion. i am relying on audyssey.

both f12s will be in front corners of the room next to the tv, outside the front tower speakers. the distance from both subs to primary listening position should be almost identical.

"3db may not sound like much but it requires about double the power!"
now im lost and confused, again. should i get the subs at -3 or just 0 but not close to 3?

i think i should have used the term level match since you brought it up. so when i do this tomorrow am i right in how to get the two subs dialed in without spl meter? i. el using audyssey to level match the subs independently etc.?
Edited by bradymartin - 11/9/12 at 8:58pm
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I've 1912 receiver and Pioneer FS51 floor speaker with SW-8 subwoofer. I tried multiple settings to make 2.1 channel work on MAIN zone, but it seems it is not working and sound is same a TV speakers. Then I tried to configure 2.1 channel for zone-2. This is giving better sound, but subwoofer is not giving any sound.

Question: What is configuration to make it work as 2.1 channel in main zone. If that is not possible, what is configuration to make 2.1 channel work in zone-2. If that is not possible, should I return subwoofer as it is not producing any sound?

Note: I'm planning to add remaining speakers latter on, as currently living in apt and having 5.1 or 7.1 does not make much sense.
post #16057 of 18979
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I'm trying to connect a external amp to the center channel pre out, a single rca on my 3312

Do i connect the left and right from the stereo amp to the single center rca and the "matching" sub rca?

Do i only have to run one rca to the single center channel connecting the pre out and either the left or right on the amp?

Do i need some kind of y splitter?

I cant seem to figure it out.
thanks
Edited by guf - 11/10/12 at 8:42am
post #16058 of 18979
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

I can hardly believe that I am asking this question after using the 2312ci for 6 months or so. This whole DD, THX etc is confusing unless one dives deep into Wikipedia smile.gif
I have a 7.1 speaker system. My players (PS3, Sammy BD player) are set to bitstream, so that the 2312 will be doing the decoding.
For a typical modern BD or DVD, which will typically have DD (in various flavors), D True HD, THX or not (this is not a encoding protcol, right?) or whatever, which one should I select using the Movie button? I want to be true to what the movie director intended the soundscape to be like.
Is there a way to set this setting so that the "correct" setting will be selected by the receiver based on the disk being played?
This is also a question that comes up when channel surfing on my Dish system, when different channels or programs seem to be encoded differently.
If the incoming sound is shown to be 5.1 in the Denon display, what is the implication of selecting one of the DD + PL IIx to extend it to 7.1?
The answer is going to be subjective, but I'd like your opinion.
I'm being lazy here, but my family gets bugged by me playing with the Movie button on the remote for the first 5 min of every movie, trying out the various choices. I just want to set it and forget it.
TIA
Aloke
Nothing?

Oh well, back to experimentation ... and reading.
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Aloke,

Suggestion: leave Prologic enabled. That way all of your speakers will always be active, even when a movie's soundtrack includes fewer channels. Although that's not necessarily "what the director intended", it usually makes movies more enjoyable. If your 7.1 speakers are properly located, the side-surrounds will be positioned to the side instead of slightly to the rear, as is the norm for 5.1 speakers. Having audio come from the rear-surrounds compensates for this difference.

If you use a disc's Setup menu, you can make the choice of audio track before starting the movie, minimizing audience annoyance. When movie discs include two versions of the primary soundtrack (usually a lossy format in addition to a lossless format) that's most often so they'll be usable with older receivers and pre/pros which cannot decode one of those formats. If you have modern equipment, select the highest quality audio track. Usually that's the default on the disc, but sometimes it isn't.

In some cases, the choice is available simply so you can pick the one you want to listen to. Some concert DVDs, for example, include both a lossy DD 5.1 track and a lossless two-channel LPCM track. Some people prefer the surround-sound provided by 5.1, while others prefer the apparent accuracy provided by the stereo track. Depending on the bitrate of the DD track, the difference in accuracy might not be audible.
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Originally Posted by bradymartin View Post

im getting my second f12 tomorrow so ill be setting up dual subs with a denon 1712. i got the splitter cable plus two cables one for each sub.
im not exactly sure how to do this regarding audyssey.
since my receiver cant do two subs. this is my thinking on how to do this.
i connect one sub to the avr. i then run the first step in audyssey and get the sub to +/-3, then disconnect it.
then i connect the second sub, run audyssey again getting it to +/-3. do both subs have to get audyssey to determine the same decible? for example, if the first sub was set by audyssey at say +2. I need to get the second sub set by audyssey to +2?
after i get the subs dialed in i connect both subs with the splitter and run all audyssey positions?

When I added my second Bic F12, I did it almost exactly this way. From my experience, you will need to lower the gain from the already low-appearing setting from when you ran Audyssey using just one sub. I'd suggest trying to get each sub to ~ +2 or +3 individually. Then, when you run Audyssey with both connected, you should end up with them at ~ 0.
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Originally Posted by dingdong123 View Post

I've 1912 receiver and Pioneer FS51 floor speaker with SW-8 subwoofer. I tried multiple settings to make 2.1 channel work on MAIN zone, but it seems it is not working and sound is same a TV speakers. Then I tried to configure 2.1 channel for zone-2. This is giving better sound, but subwoofer is not giving any sound.

Question: What is configuration to make it work as 2.1 channel in main zone. If that is not possible, what is configuration to make 2.1 channel work in zone-2. If that is not possible, should I return subwoofer as it is not producing any sound?

Note: I'm planning to add remaining speakers latter on, as currently living in apt and having 5.1 or 7.1 does not make much sense.

have you run audyssey andthen ensured your speakers are set to small with a xover of at least 80?

if not, do so...
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Aloke,
Suggestion: leave Prologic enabled. That way all of your speakers will always be active, even when a movie's soundtrack includes fewer channels. Although that's not necessarily "what the director intended", it usually makes movies more enjoyable. If your 7.1 speakers are properly located, the side-surrounds will be positioned to the side instead of slightly to the rear, as is the norm for 5.1 speakers. Having audio come from the rear-surrounds compensates for this difference.
If you use a disc's Setup menu, you can make the choice of audio track before starting the movie, minimizing audience annoyance. When movie discs include two versions of the primary soundtrack (usually a lossy format in addition to a lossless format) that's most often so they'll be usable with older receivers and pre/pros which cannot decode one of those formats. If you have modern equipment, select the highest quality audio track. Usually that's the default on the disc, but sometimes it isn't.
In some cases, the choice is available simply so you can pick the one you want to listen to. Some concert DVDs, for example, include both a lossy DD 5.1 track and a lossless two-channel LPCM track. Some people prefer the surround-sound provided by 5.1, while others prefer the apparent accuracy provided by the stereo track. Depending on the bitrate of the DD track, the difference in accuracy might not be audible.
Thanks.
Will selecting "Direct" in the Denon make it use the decoding that the BD player etc is sending it? Then All I'd do is make a choice (if available) in the BD player based on whats on the disk.
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In general, "Direct" does nothing very useful. It's primarily there to appease die-hard analog audiophiles who dislike the concept of digital audio processing, although you can use it to discover how much digital processing improves what you hear.

The "Direct" option is separate from the type of signal coming in. "Direct" disables all post-processing of the decoded audio signal in the receiver and sends each audio channel directly to the associated speaker. For example, it turns off bass management, Audyssey, ProLogic, etc. Although "Direct" can produce acceptable results when you're listening to music on a high-end speaker system in a room which has audio treatments, it is not appropriate for movies. Most music has very little low frequency content, while many movies do. When movies are involved, since bass management is not available, the lowest frequency sounds present in the main and surround channels are lost because the speakers can't reproduce them. Only those low frequency sounds which are present on the LFE channel are heard.

p.s. Well, in some cases, that isn't quite true. If you turn on LFE+MAINS, some receivers will copy the lowest frequencies from the other channels to the subwoofer. While it can help with the lowest frequencies, it does introduce the problem that in the frequency range where the subwoofer overlaps the other speakers, you'll get "double bass". Sounds in that overlapping frequency range will be much louder than they should be.
Edited by Selden Ball - 11/10/12 at 11:17am
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Finally used the auto speaker setup after completing my 7.0 home theater system. I'm using the denon 2212ci and was using the transformers dark side of the moon to impress myself. Very amazed. I do have one question though. I can't select to play the audio in the Dolby truehd. When I push movie button Dolby digital ex or Dolby d + plIx c are the only Dolby options. I have the movie setting to play in Dolby true hd 7.1 so do I assume its still playing truehd just not lighting the denons Dolby truehd light?
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Thread Starter 
The receiver can only play what you give it. If it was getting TrueHD it would say so when you pressed the Movie button. Make sure you actually selected that track in the movie. The HD audio isn't always the default. If you definitely selected the TrueHd track and still aren't seeing it register in the receiver, then something is configured incorrectly in the player.

You can always check the input signal I'm the "Imformation" section of the GUI or web browser to confirm. If its not getting the signal you think it should be, you need to look upstream at the source.
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Thanks Batpig. I'll go look at the source see if its impeding on being able to play the truehd
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

The receiver can only play what you give it. If it was getting TrueHD it would say so when you pressed the Movie button. Make sure you actually selected that track in the movie. The HD audio isn't always the default. If you definitely selected the TrueHd track and still aren't seeing it register in the receiver, then something is configured incorrectly in the player.
You can always check the input signal I'm the "Imformation" section of the GUI or web browser to confirm. If its not getting the signal you think it should be, you need to look upstream at the source.
This partly answers my Q as well (Thanks Selden B for explaining Direct).
If I am sending signal of type X (True HD, DD, whatever) to the receiver, is that what it'll play by default?
And I can change that (like add PLII) by pressing the Movie button?

Thanks.
Aloke
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Yes, and depends on whether you're receiving a 2.0, 5.1 or 7.1 signal and whether you have a 5.1/6.1 or 7.1 setup as to whether one of the simulation surround modes would be available (eg. receiving a 5.1 signal on a 5.1 setup requires no simuation as would be the case with a 7.1 setup, where the rear surrounds would have to be simulated).
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My speakers are 7.1: L, R, center, side L, side R, rear L, rear R, sub.
My BD Player is set to Bitstream.

What should I select as the incoming signal (in the BlueRay disk setup/preferences) assuming all formats are available?

This is a hypothetical question .. Obviously all 2.0, 5.1 or 7.1 soundtracks won't be on the disk. But it would be nice to have a priority list.

After that, I'll leave the Movie button alone (or add PL-II if I insist on 7.1 sound).
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Although many BDs will default to the HD audio codec (ie. Dolby TrueHD, DTS MA-HD, DTS HD), some don't so it's always best to confirm it is selected if provided. That said, it's unlikely you would actually notice any difference if the BD defaults to the standard DD/DTS track.
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I thank you and my family thanks you smile.gif

I'll select Dolby TrueHD or DTS MA-HD or DTS HD on the BD before initiating playback and then sit back and enjoy the movie.
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Airplay has been rock-solid for many weeks now.

I had posted about Airplay issues some time back. The Airplay option would disappear sometimes (seemingly when my PC on my LAN loaded Bonjour service).
But that was a red herring.

I'm glad to report that all issues with Airplay has been resolved by unchecking the "Disable IGMP Proxying" option on my Netgear router/switch.

Apple forums have other users reporting that toggling IGMP Proxy settings on their routers (other than Netgear, like Airport) also fixes the problem.

So, if you are having Airplay connectivity issues, consider
a) setting your router to factory default (remember to re-enable WPA/WPA2 encryption password on the WiFi connections!)
b) toggle the "IGMP Proxy" setting on the router.

JDS: Please consider adding this to the Section 11 a, b of your excellent FAQ.

Aloke
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I've had an IGMP related note posted for a few months now but will edit it to include your additional information. Thanks.
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I am having issues where the video and audio from my BD is cutting out for a second quite often. It seems to be even more common after I updated my 2112. Any advice?
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This actually just happened to me connecting my PS3 to an HDMI switch yesterday, although changing to another input on the switch resolved the issue. Check to make sure the HDMI cable is securely fitted at both ends, and if still no joy, either try another HDMI input on the AVR or replace the cable.
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I reseated the cables a few times and have not noticed it since but I don't like it. What is to keep it from happening again?
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If you don't have reason to move the AVR (ie. no little ones, pets, or dusting down around the AVR) and ti happens again, you amy want to consider installing a locking HDMI adapter.

http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Echo-lock-Universal-HDMI/dp/B001QV2AKK
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

Airplay has been rock-solid for many weeks now.
I had posted about Airplay issues some time back. The Airplay option would disappear sometimes (seemingly when my PC on my LAN loaded Bonjour service).
But that was a red herring.
I'm glad to report that all issues with Airplay has been resolved by unchecking the "Disable IGMP Proxying" option on my Netgear router/switch.
Apple forums have other users reporting that toggling IGMP Proxy settings on their routers (other than Netgear, like Airport) also fixes the problem.
So, if you are having Airplay connectivity issues, consider
a) setting your router to factory default (remember to re-enable WPA/WPA2 encryption password on the WiFi connections!)
b) toggle the "IGMP Proxy" setting on the router.
JDS: Please consider adding this to the Section 11 a, b of your excellent FAQ.
Aloke

I reported this in apple forums and posted the resolution. What is interesting enough is: this setting only seems to affect 3rd party airplay devices. I have since bought an appletv and don't seem to have issues with that one if I keep IGMP enabled. In any case, I don't require IGMP proxying, but if your video requires it, you need to mess with other IGMP settings, such as enabling each individual device independently. Its a mystery, but at least it works!
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I have a 2112ci connected to my DTV receiver HR24 (also tried a HR23 with same issue) and connected to my Sony TV, both via HDMI cables. The issue started on November 1st. I can no longer view PPV MOVIES. The TV shows black and then green flashes (like it's trying to complete the "HDMI handshake" but never does). ALLother DTV video works fine passing through the 2112, even movie trailers and the PPV "5 minute extended movie previews".

When I take the 2112 out of the equation and connect the DTV receiver directly to the TV the PPV movies can be viewed perfectly .

I absolutely changed nothing just before this started happening on 11/1.

I did do a Denon firmware upgrade on 11/2, hoping this would correct the issue, but it did not.

I called both Denon and DTV and each blamed the other for the problem (i was thinking that DTV might have started transmitting PPV movies in a different format as of 11/1 or with different CODES...but they said no...not that I believe them. I was hoping if that was indeed true, that Denon could provide a new upgrade to compensate for this.

If this is not a DTV issue, is it possible that some setting could have changed by itself within the 2112?

Any other ideas?
post #16080 of 18979
that should be "CODECS", not "CODES" above.
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