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[SIZE]I just bought a refurb 1712 from accesories for less. Everything is perfect and I'm very impressed with the reciever overall. But I am having trouble with the sound coming out of the RF channel. Its either half way there or not there at all. After extensive trouble shooting. I found that if I wiggled on the hdmi cable going into the reciever that I could sometimes get the sound to come in full. So I tried a couple other cables and still had the same problem. all the cables I've tried are two to three years old. But in good condition. Should I buy a new cable to try or send it back for repair? It does this on ALL HDMI inputs as well.


Thanks for any help.



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post #16082 of 18978
that's odd... confused.gif i'm struggling thinking of a way that could happen... from a "technical" standpoint, it doesn't make a lot of sense...

are you sure that when you are wiggling the cable that you aren't also jiggling the speaker wire?
post #16083 of 18978
positive
post #16084 of 18978
anyone know of any good deals on the 2112 going on right now?
post #16085 of 18978
I cant help but think its the old mono price cables?? At least I hope. I dont want to have to send it back and be with out it!
post #16086 of 18978
thing is, the way hdmi (or more technically tmds) works, it would be rather impossible for only a single channel of audio (or any audio, ftm) to be affected in that way... you'd have to be seeing video errors as well, and in all likelihood, the whole stream would fail, rather than partially work...

it's possible there's something moving around inside the avr when you wiggle the cable...
post #16087 of 18978
Hi all. I have a Denon avr 1912 and am experiencing some issues with audio delay. Was wondering if anyone here had any ideas of things to try.

So this delay seems to be present with all sources that I use - PS3(HDMI), Sky+(optical) and macbook (optical). The delay is not horrendous enough to render things unviewable. However, I use djing software called Traktor on the Macbook with an external soundcard (Native Instruments Audio DJ 4). This provides me with 2 sound outputs from the Macbook. Therefore I have a headphone output direct from the soundcard, and phono leads going into the amp.

Now, this delay issue means that the audio from the headphones is slightly ahead of that from the amp and speakers, making beatmatching impossible.

My thinking is that my issue could be solved either by delaying the headphone output using some mac software (I have searched hard for this, but have not found anything). Alternatively (and more ideally) I would be able to use some sort of settings on the avr 1912 to reduce/remove this delay. Is there anything I can try there?

Any ideas would be much appreciated. I have sifted through the internet and posts mentioning 'delay' on this thread, and have not found anything yet.

Thanks!
post #16088 of 18978
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Originally Posted by madspeed View Post

anyone know of any good deals on the 2112 going on right now?

Check your local Best Buy and be ready to negotiate a bit. Mine had a 2112CI for $400 (open box) and I ended up with a new 3312 for $500 after pointing them to Fry's clearance prices. A 2312 would have been $400 (same as their 2112) but I wanted three zones. Fry's had no stock but I had an ongoing conversation with my store about a buy when Fry's had stock so YMMV.
post #16089 of 18978
Does Traktor allow you you to delay the audio per source? And if not, can you put one of the audio sources on the Denon as an A/V source and use audio delay to correct for the delay? I haven't used audio delay on the Denon so I don't know if it can go both positive and negative but that might be a way to get around the issue.
post #16090 of 18978
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Originally Posted by gmr3 View Post

I have a 2112ci connected to my DTV receiver HR24 (also tried a HR23 with same issue) and connected to my Sony TV, both via HDMI cables. The issue started on November 1st. I can no longer view PPV MOVIES. The TV shows black and then green flashes (like it's trying to complete the "HDMI handshake" but never does). ALLother DTV video works fine passing through the 2112, even movie trailers and the PPV "5 minute extended movie previews".
When I take the 2112 out of the equation and connect the DTV receiver directly to the TV the PPV movies can be viewed perfectly .
I absolutely changed nothing just before this started happening on 11/1.
I did do a Denon firmware upgrade on 11/2, hoping this would correct the issue, but it did not.
I called both Denon and DTV and each blamed the other for the problem (i was thinking that DTV might have started transmitting PPV movies in a different format as of 11/1 or with different CODES...but they said no...not that I believe them. I was hoping if that was indeed true, that Denon could provide a new upgrade to compensate for this.
If this is not a DTV issue, is it possible that some setting could have changed by itself within the 2112?
Any other ideas?

HDMI handshake issues are very common with cable/sat boxes. More than likely a firmware update to the HR24 is causing the problem. Connect the HR24 HDMI directly to the and HR24 optical to the AVR.
post #16091 of 18978
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Before giving up on your PS3, first try setting the PS3 to LPCM and see if you get the same static. If yes, then try using an optical cable from the PS3, as you're unlikely to be able to tell the difference from the HDMI audio.

another update on this, the problem seems to be solved. after a few hours of trial and error on the ps3 "sound settings" with checking and unchecking boxes, trying a different outlet, different hdmi cable, different receiver input, and watching the first scene of avengers at least 20 times, i finally found the "BD audio out" setting under the video settings section. it was already on linear PCM, so i swapped to bitstream, and boom, no more noises. now, instead of the receiver saying 7.1 in, it says DTS-HD Master instead when watching avengers, is that normal?. After changing to bitstream, the ps3 had a message pop up that said something about changing to bitstream could prevent some audio from playing. will i be missing out on some audio because of this? i setup my speakers to be at the exact angles they should be, and would rather just buy a good BD player than possibly be missing out on some of the audio. thanks.
post #16092 of 18978
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

HDMI handshake issues are very common with cable/sat boxes. More than likely a firmware update to the HR24 is causing the problem. Connect the HR24 HDMI directly to the and HR24 optical to the AVR.


The HR24's last update was June 27. My systen has been running fine since January (until 11/1). Apparently DTV is rolling our a new update any day now. DTV says they started the rollout October 31 in the West and is moving it across the country to my Eastern Time Zone soon. I guess it's possible that DTV started transmitting PPV movies with a new CODEC on 11/1 and the new update (that I don't have yet) will fix the "issue" so the 2112 can push movies thru to the TV?????
post #16093 of 18978
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Originally Posted by redlightracerLS View Post

I reseated the cables a few times and have not noticed it since but I don't like it. What is to keep it from happening again?
well I spoke too soon during Avengers tonight video and audio started cutting out again after the kids watched several movies today with no issue.
Edited by redlightracerLS - 11/12/12 at 7:19am
post #16094 of 18978
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Originally Posted by Dr. Crash View Post

Does Traktor allow you you to delay the audio per source? And if not, can you put one of the audio sources on the Denon as an A/V source and use audio delay to correct for the delay? I haven't used audio delay on the Denon so I don't know if it can go both positive and negative but that might be a way to get around the issue.

Unfortunately, no- traktor has no delay function for different sources. So that won't allow me to delay the headphones.

As far as I can tell, the delay on the denon only goes into the positive, so I can't think of a configuration that could utilise that to solve the issue.

Thanks for the ideas though, got any more? smile.gif
post #16095 of 18978
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

another update on this, the problem seems to be solved. after a few hours of trial and error on the ps3 "sound settings" with checking and unchecking boxes, trying a different outlet, different hdmi cable, different receiver input, and watching the first scene of avengers at least 20 times, i finally found the "BD audio out" setting under the video settings section. it was already on linear PCM, so i swapped to bitstream, and boom, no more noises. now, instead of the receiver saying 7.1 in, it says DTS-HD Master instead when watching avengers, is that normal?. After changing to bitstream, the ps3 had a message pop up that said something about changing to bitstream could prevent some audio from playing. will i be missing out on some audio because of this? i setup my speakers to be at the exact angles they should be, and would rather just buy a good BD player than possibly be missing out on some of the audio. thanks.

The "missing out of audio" part would apply to any BDP you purchased. The "bitstream" setting sends the uncompressed DD/DTS audio to the AVR to do the uncompressing (like unzipping a computer file) which is why the AVR displays the DD/DTS codec on the front panel display. When the BDP is set to LPCM/PCM, the BDP does the decoding to PCM and sends it to the AVR so the AVR never knows what the original file was (DD or DTS), rather only the uncompressed PCM file which is why the AVR display reads "Mult CH IN" or "Mult CH IN 7.1". When you "bitstream" the audio, the BDP (PS3 or other brand) is unable to pass the "secondary audio" (eg. Director's commentation while movie is playing). So if you're just watching the regular movie, you're not missing out on any audio when using the "bitstream" setting, the audio quality will be the same either way.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The "missing out of audio" part would apply to any BDP you purchased. The "bitstream" setting sends the uncompressed DD/DTS audio to the AVR to do the uncompressing (like unzipping a computer file) which is why the AVR displays the DD/DTS codec on the front panel display. When the BDP is set to LPCM/PCM, the BDP does the decoding to PCM and sends it to the AVR so the AVR never knows what the original file was (DD or DTS), rather only the uncompressed PCM file which is why the AVR display reads "Mult CH IN" or "Mult CH IN 7.1". When you "bitstream" the audio, the BDP (PS3 or other brand) is unable to pass the "secondary audio" (eg. Director's commentation while movie is playing). So if you're just watching the regular movie, you're not missing out on any audio when using the "bitstream" setting, the audio quality will be the same either way.

Thanks for the explanation! If I want to hear commentary, I'll just switch back to linear, which will probably be never anyway. On another note, during my trial and error, I noticed a big difference between 5.1 and 7.1. Specifically the early scene in avengers when the helicopter flies by the screen. With 5.1 it just sort of comes from the side, with 7.1, it comes from behind and then the side, a much better effect.
post #16097 of 18978
If you've never watched a movie with the Director's commentary, give it a go the next time you're watching one of your favorite movies as there is lots of interesting information discussed.
post #16098 of 18978
stupid question on my 1612 how can I get mp3 and ipod tracks to repeat? The manual was not very clear.. it seemed like I had to hold down a button?
post #16099 of 18978
The "Repeat" setting is discussed on p. 70 in the Owner's manual.
post #16100 of 18978
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The "Repeat" setting is discussed on p. 70 in the Owner's manual.

But I saw this yesterday

For iPod playback
All : All files are played repeatedly.
One : A file being played is played repeatedly.
OFF : Repeat playback mode is canceled.

As far if I checked right it did not say where to find the setting for it..

Oh wait I found it now under the settings, I wonder if a harmony remote might be better for me, seems like the 1612 remote was more of an afterthought :-/

I hope not all Denon remotes are like this
post #16101 of 18978
About to run my first Audyssey. Excited!

My sub has a couple of settings that Im not sure where to set:
1. Crossover: Out or In?
2. Phase: 0 or 180?
post #16102 of 18978
I found the answer to Phase setting. Any ideas re: Crossover?

Also man I feel dumb...I ran Audyssey and now am trying to check results re: speaker size, sub volume, etc.

In my manual it says there is a Parameter Check menu but I cant find it anywhere...how do I do this?
post #16103 of 18978
^^
You would be well served by reading the Audyssey 101/FAQ Guide linked in my sig. Re: sub crossover, no clue what "IN" or "OUT" means, but you need to either disable the crossover or set it to it's maximum setting (generally 150Hz).

Also note that the "Parameter Check" menu is discussed on p. 20 in your 2112CI Owner's manual.
post #16104 of 18978
Thanks. I see the Parameter Check menu in the manual...I dont see it on my onscreen menu. Thats the problem I am having. Where do I find it? Is it only immediately after having run Audyssey or at any time?
post #16105 of 18978
The Menu system is displayed on pp. 73-74.

System Setup -- Speaker Setup -- Auto Setup -- Paramater Check
post #16106 of 18978
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

About to run my first Audyssey. Excited!

My sub has a couple of settings that Im not sure where to set:
1. Crossover: Out or In?
2. Phase: 0 or 180?

I assume you have a BIC sub? Generally the Out/In setting should be set to "Out" because the crossover is external (handled digitally the receiver) whereas the "In" setting means to use the internal crossover of the subwoofer.

Have you done background Audyssey 101 reading? And also checked the manual of your subwoofer to determine what the Out/In switch does? I am betting that "Out" is the crossover bypass setting (which is what you want).
post #16107 of 18978
Its a hsu subwoofer.
Will check. Thanks.
Still can't find parameters. Weird.
post #16108 of 18978
Hello what codec is this?
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post #16110 of 18978
Quote:
Originally Posted by lirong View Post

About to run my first Audyssey. Excited!
My sub has a couple of settings that Im not sure where to set:I have this on my 505 and the Audyssey set up on Audyssey says to set it to 0°. I haven't had time to do a phase test but I have not noticed any strange sound.
1. Crossover: Out or In?
2. Phase: 0 or 180?
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